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^^ um, i hate to break it to you, but it's likely that most of the audience was Korean, which would make them psyched that Yu Na would be in 1st, even if they didn't know exactly why.
but I do understand that it can be frusturating to not know why the judges scored certain skaters a certain way untill you see protocols.

anyway, so sad to hear that Yu Na was crying after her skate due to pressure. :(
 
Wouldn't agree more. this is worse than 2002 pairs scandal and all the others before it.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes off course - the results of Ladies short program at the GPF 2008 is worse than the SLC scandal that screwed the results of the Olympic Gold Medal :rolleye:

Get a grip!

Ant
 
Yu Na' s score itself seems reasonable though Mao fans can complain about her low PCS. Mao's program can't beat Yu na's short program but I expected that difference would be less than 0.5, so gap in pcs was somewhat surrprising. Mao got over 59 at last year's GPF despite she missed combo and completely skipped triple, so Yu Na's score itself is reasonable.
Now if people think there should be extra punishment for missing triple in SP, ppl have good argument.
 
I agree with you. I would like to see Mao go for a 3flip/3toe instead or she can maybe go for 3 flip/2loop, 3 lutz(or 3loop) and 3 axel in SP? I mean her 3 axel is more consistant than her 3 flip/3loop. Is that allowed for ladies?

No the ladies do not have a choice of a double or trilpe axel in the SP, just the 2A.
 
ITA. I'd also love for the ladies to have a choice between a spiral sequence and a second step sequence. We need more variety!

Sadly the ladies wouldn't take it since getting Level 4 on the spiral sequence is comparatively much easier than getting a level 4 on Straightline or Circular step sequences.

Ant
 
From other forum they said Mao's 3-3 is downgraded and she got +0.8 GOE on her Lutz so I think the TES for Mao is reasonable. Yuna's Flip looks flat for me this time so I think she may not get a "e" or "i" this time instead of get a very good GOE so her TES also seems reasonable for me. However, I feel that Mao's PCS should be higher. Usually I prefer Yuna's SP over Mao's this year, but today Yuna is off her normal standard, she is too nerous. So I think Mao should be 2-3 points totally over Yuna IMO.
P.S The crowd just crazy for Yuna, I never saw so many toys in a compeletion before, it is almost scared me and I feel very sorry when I saw Yuna is crying.
 
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Yes off course - the results of Ladies short program at the GPF 2008 is worse than the SLC scandal that screwed the results of the Olympic Gold Medal :rolleye:

Get a grip!

Ant

Everybody is entitled their own opinion.

It shouldn't matter if the competition Olympics or GPF, these are international competitions if judges have certain inclination which certainly lot of us who are watching can't understand (which are not consistent with other results) the popularity of the sport will suffer.

As far as 2002 scandal i don't fully believe their was a scandal, i always enjoyed B/S more than S/P.
 
Miki

Very beautiful, mature performance. I think she did her choreos with her heart. A lot of nuances and understated beauty. Very nice. This may be my most favorite program from Miki. I am really impressed.
Fall on 3Z. But okay on other jumps, spirals, and spins. She might have been somewhat slow. But very lovely steps.
I love the ending layback very much. Although I don't know why she doesn't do the classical attitude position that she is really good at, this spin leaves a nice, quiet moment.
My mom disliked her costume first, but came to like it during the performance. She said that it looked better as she moved. Interesting effect!

Yukari
A romantic, peaceful music that underscores her elegant charm. Very mature, beautiful performance. But she had the same smile from the beginning to the end, which could have been changed.
Fine combo, a questionable lutz, and great 2A out of spread eagle. Great spins as always. Changes of edges in steps were not very smooth.

Caro
Great speed and wonderful spirit overall.
Unfortunate fall on combo. Lutz and 2A looked fine.
A bit slow on her spins. Her spirals looked better than those at the previous comp. Fantastic step sequence with great energy. I love this program!
I love the costume! My mom was saying that the spiral decoration around her tummy had an interesting effect as she rotated.

Mao
Looks like a bit slow in her skating throughout the performance. I wonder how much she covered the ice.
A bit URed on the second jump in her combo. Her lutz looked a bit questionable, but fully rotated. A bit slow spirals.
Spread eagle and difficult entrance going into 2A.
Lovely, intricate circular steps. Nice spins. Some of the positions may be a bit weak.
Beautiful performance overall. I wish she had more speed. TAT looked very happy and hugged with the interpreter. I am happy for her, too!

Joannie
Wonderful skating skills. But I was so shocked by her doubling the combo and fall or stepout on lutz that I don't remember very well. Midori was saying that Joannie could have put a triple toe after the double flip. But I thought that only Midori and Miki could do that.
I still would like to make a point that her opening 2A and spirals were so gorgeous as always.

Yuna
Fantastic speed.
Fab combo as always. Surprising pop on her lutz. She looked very disappointed during her spirals.
But she did very well for the rest of the performance as always. Overall it was great.
At K&C, her eyes looked a little bit tearful but looked happy after learning that she came into the first.
The number of flags for her was simply *e-n-o-r-m-o-u-s* that covered most of the seats. It wouldn't be very easy to feel it imperative to win. I'd run away. I just admire her mental strength.

Judges had to put her in the lead since unless she doesn't skate last tomorrow, Mao would have no ice left for her.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: They need to use the Zamboni after Yuna skates because flowers and presents are thrown like a hailstorm.
 
Nice review Bennett of the ladies, totally agree about Miki but I thought Mao had great speed today especially in her spiral sequence. She seemed so fast to me that I could almost feel a breeze through my computer screen. lol
 
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Nice review Bennett of the ladies, toally agree about Miki but I thought Mao had great speed today especially in her spiral sequence. She seemed so fast to me that I could almost feel a breeze through my computer screen. lol

You are welcome. I am very glad to hear that Mao actually looked fast for others. I do not know for sure because I was watching on TV. Somehow my mom (who has little knowledge of skating) and I were worried about her speed and felt that it was a cautious performance. I may get this impression partly because many of her elements are clustered around the center of the rink towards the end of the performance. So I wondered how much ice she covered when seen in the arena.
 
You are welcome. I am very glad to hear that Mao actually looked fast for others. I do not know for sure because I was watching on TV. Somehow my mom (who has little knowledge of skating) and I were worried about her speed and felt that it was a cautious performance. I may get this impression partly because many of her elements are clustered around the center of the rink towards the end of the performance. So I wondered how much ice she covered when seen in the arena.

I too thought that Mao had great speed than her usual. Frankly, as much as I'm Yu-na's fan, I thought Yu-na, with her popped, lutz, was over-marked. But I think Mao will win the GPF. Yu-na will either pop her loop or do a double axel in her LP and Mao's skating has been getting more and more stabilized. I like her LP program more and more too.
 
WTF? Two skaters sith similar marks despite a mistake from one of them is comparable to a judge (allegedly) being pressured to mark performances so that a specific pair gets the OGM? Calm down! There have been many, many times when skater made mistakes that were not noticable on TV, and I'm guessing Mao simply got an edge call or a UR. And Yu-Na's step sequences are awesome.
I actually don't know what the fuss is about. If Asada's 3-3 was downgraded (and it looked underrotated) - then scores make total sense. She lost 4 points of the base value + the mandatory deduction because of underrotation. There is not much left then. And Kim lost about 5 to 6 points with the popped Lutz - which makes total sense, because add those to the 66 she got - you have what Yu-Na would get with a clean program (She got 69 at Skate America - just add the two points she lost on the Axel at SA). Additionally Asada's Lutz entry looked weird - for a second I didn't know if she was going to do a Lutz or a Loop.
I dont see any problem with the score, truth is Yuna popped a jump, an important one, but she did the combination and the 2A and all of her spins, her mark wasnt that high anyway, if she had been clean like in SA, remember how high her mark was?
I agree with all of the above. I didn't get a chance to watch until later, so after reading all the comments and then watching it, I really can't understand all the outrage over the scores. Maybe at quick, first sight, Mao looked perfect, but she wasn't. They both had a blunder and I don't see why Mao should be scored any higher in PCS than Yu-Na.

What I truly don't understand is how a discrepancy of .76 in the PCS is worth that much arguing when the TES difference was .2, but meanwhile over on the men's side, Patrick is 15 points behind Kozuka in TES, but only .2 behind in PCS!

I think all Mao fans shouldn't worry too much... I think she looks very well prepared - with or without underrotations.. She has always blown the house down with her freeskate. Yuna looked very nervous, so I don't know if she can keep it together tomorrow... especially because she knows she only leads by a small margin and Mao's FP can score much higher when skated clean... Should be exciting..
Yu Na' s score itself seems reasonable though Mao fans can complain about her low PCS. Mao's program can't beat Yu na's short program but I expected that difference would be less than 0.5, so gap in pcs was somewhat surrprising. Mao got over 59 at last year's GPF despite she missed combo and completely skipped triple, so Yu Na's score itself is reasonable.
Now if people think there should be extra punishment for missing triple in SP, ppl have good argument.
Sadly, I also agree with this. While I very much want both Mao and Yu-Na to do well and usually can't decide who I would want to place ahead, for this particular competition I want Yu-Na to win only because it's her first international skate at home. But I also realize I shouldn't get my hopes up since without a significant lead after the SP, it's nearly impossible for Yu-Na to score higher than Mao if they both go clean.
 
Since my computer was doing a number of its own, all I got was Mao's bow to the audience. However, in slomo after going to the K&C, it showd her Flutz. I really had never noticed it before. It's really a wide space! I think Sasha Cohen's was much closer by the time of 2006.

I did see Rochette skate, and everything about it was superb. So sad that the jumps didn't materialize.

Speacking of Yuna's combo, or should I say non-combo? It was no better than Joannie's combo. So anyone who sees the protocols I wonder how the scoring ompares on that jump?
 
Speacking of Yuna's combo, or should I say non-combo? It was no better than Joannie's combo. So anyone who sees the protocols I wonder how the scoring ompares on that jump?

I can't make specific comments since I haven't had the chance to see the programs, but Yu-Na did a 3F-3T, and Joannie only did a 2F-2T, which carries the automatic -3 GoE for not meeting the SP requirements... so I suppose I don't understand your comment / question.

-Kypma
 
poor Joannie D:
She just about got over 50!! Overly harsh, no?

Nope. Poping the 3Lz cost her 6 points and the 2F cost her another 4 points, so there goes the 10 points. We all know a good SP without any 3+3 is around the 61-63 mark. I think the judges are really fair and spot on.
 
I felt that Yukari both URed and flutzed on her lutz. But given her high score, it seems to have been perhaps ratified without any "!".

Caro's flip looked fully rotated despite the fall whereas Miki's fallen lutz looked URed. So I thought that Caro may score much higher than Miki. But perhaps this wasn't the case, either.

But I also felt that Caro might have flutzed.
I couldn't tell the edge of Miki's flip without slow-mo.

I also feel that I saw Mao flutz, not as bad as the one at TEB, but worse than the one at NHK.
 
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The fact that we have to wait for protocols to try to understand this result is what is wrong with the current scoring system. The audience watching the skating live isn't looking at and analyzing protocols... They see the performance on the ice, and the performance is what should determine the results, not some number crunching. I don't think it should matter that Yu-Na's 3-3 was credited and Mao's was not... Yu-Na missed a major element while Mao completed all the elements. We need a scoring system that can reflect this.

I agree. I did the math and 3F+3Lo have a 10.5 value. 3F+2Lo have a 7.2 and even with a -GOE of 1 0r 2. Mao should be in the first place. I would have give Yuna around 63-64 rang most.
 
Judging from SP score, I debt Mao would never win even if she landed 3A and 3-3combos:rofl:

WOW....the PCS of Yuna....incredible HIGH with a pop lutz, and today she is not even with her best status....I worship you, judges:bow:

would anybody pls explain why Yukari get such LOW scores?
 
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