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[Love_Skate]

Why are these poeple still complaining as if it's the end of the world when Yuna is still in 1st place? It happens, Yuna is a human being like everyone else and she underroated her jump today. Why can you just accept it? I am getting tired of people who popped up recently think Yuna can do no wrong.

I see her 3Lz can be called UR. She also seems agree with that, saying that she couldn't get enough power at jumping up for 3Lz.

But, 3F is a very different story. She was really suprised when informed of the edge call.
This is the FIRST time she got 'e' on her 3F in her entire career. She never even get '!' whatsoever. Do you think it is ever possible for a skater to become a serious lip jumper from a ratified flip jumper only after 7 months? It is impossible unless she was a lip jumper from the beginning. However, her 3F jump was used as a textbook at the ISU technical meeting to clarify what is the flip jump. That's why this mess came up.

Yes, she got the first place, but the first place cannot correct the ridiculous judging and prevent making possible future victims of skaters.

 

[fiercemao]

WHY NOT all other skaters who competed togatehr such as Wagner, Ando? They did underotated FAR MUCH MORE than Yuna Kim did. Don't you think it's unfair, stupid that Only Yuna Kim had to bear that strict judgement? Yeah, rule is rule. Then apply it to ALL THE SKATERS fairly!

Unfair? Ando got an UR call on her flip, which deserved it. She was hit TWICE at Skate America on UR of 3lutz+3loop for no apparent reason!

Yuna Kim's 3flip+3toe(UR) was obviously underrotated at Skate America, but tec controller gave her a pass. At 2008 worlds, she badly underrotated a 3lutz and fell, no call either!

Wagner, yes, I think she badly underrotated her 3lutz today but got a pass.

 

[edeuse]

Why are these poeple still complaining as if it's the end of the world when Yuna is still in 1st place? It happens, Yuna is a human being like everyone else and she underroated her jump today. Why can you just accept it? I am getting tired of people who popped up recently think Yuna can do no wrong.

ohh, you are out of focus, the main point is just the impartiality in a competition not the faultness in a person or not even about the 1st place winner matter of thing.

We all know 2 rotation is less than 2.75 rotation, but the former got 10.32 points more than the latter.

And now, the 'textbook jumper' even got 'e' mark as the FIRST ONE IN THIS SEASON while other judge credited her +1 GOE.

I'm sick of this kind of unfairness and inconsistancy and more sick of the BASHERS who have been noisily shouted out fair judgement blarblar are NOW just SILENT.

What's wrong with your justice and what's wrong with your rationality.
What's wrong with this figure skating world.

 

[Wrlmy]

I missed the live coverage. I'm surprised that Yu-Na got 'e'.
She hasn't got a single edge call since ISU instrumented wrong edge call.
She's skated in 5 events, not including CoC. That's 10 triple flips and five different technical specialists. I haven't seen the video from today, but I believe it is a mistake on the tech specialists' part unless Yu-Na suddenly decided to lip.
Judging is not a matter of probability, but I have a reason to trust the five other tech specialists, especially this one is indeed inexperienced.

And all these people claiming judges have 'condoned' Yu-Na's 'lip' are pathetic. There is absolutely no evidence that ISU has a reason to hold up Yu-Na.
If you find one, please let me know. Otherwise, STFU.

Again, I haven't seen any video from today, but if ur call was unfair and inconsistent, that's a serious problem. Inconsistent call over different events is one thing, but within the same event? This tech specialist should be banned. Whether he has any secret agenda is not important. He is just incompetent.

 

[harmy18]

It's not that I, and some of her fans are complaining she should't or could not have made any mistakes. Of course she can. She is human being as you said.

What really makes me angry is that she was treated unfairly enough.
If her jumps is underotated, well, WHY NOT all other skaters who competed togatehr such as Wagner, Ando? They did underotated FAR MUCH MORE than Yuna Kim did. Don't you think it's unfair, stupid that Only Yuna Kim had to bear that strict judgement? Yeah, rule is rule. Then apply it to ALL THE SKATERS fairly!

I just wonder when other skaters are being treated unfairly, why you guys not stand out and complain the judges??

I think the UR for yuna's lutz may be ascribed to her double-footed.......slightly Double-footed from the slow mot........

 

[Love_Skate]

Unfair? Ando got an UR call on her flip, which deserved it. She was hit TWICE at Skate America on UR of 3lutz+3loop for no apparent reason!

Yuna Kim's 3flip+3toe(UR) was obviously underrotated at Skate America, but tec controller gave her a pass. At 2008 worlds, she badly underrotated a 3lutz and fell, no call either!

Wagner, yes, I think she badly underrotated her 3lutz today but got a pass.

FIERCEmao, I am still waiting for your reply to my previous post........
From your post, I thought you are too busy to answer my question in our arguments... Apparently, now you are not...

 

[bloomonice]

This is ridiculously laughable. Fans have been arguing about her LIP for ages. Being lavished by rabid commentators as a 'textbook' jumper does not necessarily make you so. I was more pissed off by not-calling-her-URs in the past instead of LIPPING though.

That's only your opinion ,you japanese. Well you must be some great specialist on figure skating enough to laugh at so many reputational commendators world wide, huh? WOW humble you are!

Speaking of LIP, I don;t think there would be many figure fans who would'nt know that FAKE lip videos on Youtube was posted by some ignorant and liars in Japan. I feel even sorry that your MAO :chorus: cannot get over YUNA fairly.

Speaking of lip, Your fierce MAO is quite notorious for her "CHEATING JUMPS" isn't she? UNDEROTATION, PREROTATION IN ALMOST EVERY JUMPS, THAT LOW QUALITY TRIPLE AXEL, 2-FOOTED LANIDINGS, LOOP LIKE FLIPS DUE TO HER DEEP INEDGE...YOU WANT MORE? NAME IT.
I don;t think she can jump other than double axel and loop jumps.
Sorry she doesn;t even have any expressions to music other than crying after competitions.

 

[harmy18]

Unfair? Ando got an UR call on her flip, which deserved it. She was hit TWICE at Skate America on UR of 3lutz+3loop for no apparent reason!

Yuna Kim's 3flip+3toe(UR) was obviously underrotated at Skate America, but tec controller gave her a pass. At 2008 worlds, she badly underrotated a 3lutz and fell, no call either!

Wagner, yes, I think she badly underrotated her 3lutz today but got a pass.

I don't agree with your point. Her 3F-3T is NOT UR, but her flip is worse than she did in SA. If the flip she did in SA was a FLIP, then tonight the FLIP should be marked "!"...........but I don't think it should mark "e", it's not that serious

 

[hkim0604]

Unfair? Ando got an UR call on her flip, which deserved it. She was hit TWICE at Skate America on UR of 3lutz+3loop for no apparent reason!

Yuna Kim's 3flip+3toe(UR) was obviously underrotated at Skate America, but tec controller gave her a pass. At 2008 worlds, she badly underrotated a 3lutz and fell, no call either!

Wagner, yes, I think she badly underrotated her 3lutz today but got a pass.

Seriously, do you have the ability to count rotations? Yuna's 3-3 combination was fully rotated at SA, and at 2008 worlds, also she fully rotated 3 luttz in her short program although she fell. Ando's 3 loop after 3 lutz was deserved to be downgraded at SA.

I understand you may want to support Ando, but please do not distort facts you can see with your eyes.

 

[harmy18]

That's only your opinion ,you japanese. Well you must be some great specialist on figure skating enough to laugh at so many reputational commendators world wide, huh? WOW humble you are!

Speaking of LIP, I don;t think there would be many figure fans who would'nt know that FAKE lip videos on Youtube was posted by some ignorant and liars in Japan. I feel even sorry that your MAO :chorus: cannot get over YUNA fairly.

Speaking of lip, Your fierce MAO is quite notorious for her "CHEATING JUMPS" isn't she? UNDEROTATION, PREROTATION IN ALMOST EVERY JUMPS, THAT LOW QUALITY TRIPLE AXEL, 2-FOOTED LANIDINGS, LOOP LIKE FLIPS DUE TO HER DEEP INEDGE...YOU WANT MORE? NAME IT.
I don;t think she can jump other than double axel and loop jumps.
Sorry she doesn;t even have any expressions to music other than crying after competitions.

Really sorry for you guys being so ironic .............
As you mention PREROTATION, I find nobody can excuse from this the only difference is whether his/her PREROTATION seriously or slightly

 

[ks777]

ohh, you are out of focus, the main point is just the impartiality in a competition not the faultness in a person or even about the 1st place winner matter of thing.

We all know 2 rotation is less than 2.75 rotation, but the former got 10.32 points more than the latter.

And now, the 'textbook jumper' even got 'e' mark as the FIRST ONE IN THIS SEASON while other judge credited her +1 GOE.

I'm sick of this kind of unfairness and inconsistancy and more sick of the bashers who have been noisily shouted out fair judgement blarblar are now just SILENT.

What's wrong with your justice and what's wrong with your rationality.
What's wrong with this figure skating world.

So you saying she is the text book jumper therefore she is perfect all the time and the reason she got her first e was the tech cotoroller's fault??

If she had been as perfect as you said she was on the flip jump, nobody would ever suggest her lipping otherwise, as nobody ever complained on her lutz because it's perfect.

 

[hkim0604]

I don't agree with your point. Her 3F-3T is NOT UR, but her flip is worse than she did in SA. If the flip she did in SA was a FLIP, then tonight the FLIP should be marked "!"...........but I don't think it should mark "e", it's not that serious

YuNa's Flip was just perfect this morning at COC. She has never changed the way how she jump FLIP; you must see her EDGE, not her ankle after her toe pick. Edge-jumps are all about EDGE, right?

Do you know, even Mao, well known Flutz jumper, looks like LIPPER depending on the angle of camera? If you see her edge and then you'll know she is jumpping FLIP, but on some camera, her ankle is bent outside. BUT none wants "e" on her flip because she cannot be a lipper with her flow before her flip jump.

 

[Love_Skate]

That's only your opinion ,you japanese. Well you must be some great specialist on figure skating enough to laugh at so many reputational commendators world wide, huh? WOW humble you are!

Please don't be use such words here, or go to youtube.

 

[fiercemao]

We all know 2 rotation is less than 2.75 rotation, but the former got 10.32 points more than the latter.

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Are you crazy? It's a 3loop, not a 2loop, watch the video again, please.

 

[ks777]

wow, we have so many new users today.

 

[zephyrskates]

Please don't be use such words here, or go to youtube.

This was once a board devoid of such crude comments. I miss those days. If you can't make an argument for your point without dragging ethnicity and unfounded conspiracy theories into the discussion, I pity you.

 

[Love_Skate]

Are you crazy? It's a 3loop, not a 2loop, watch the video again, please.

FIERCEmao, I am still waiting....

 

[Love_Skate]

This was once a board devoid of such crude comments. I miss those days. If you can't make an argument for your point without dragging ethnicity and unfounded conspiracy theories into the discussion, I pity you.

Do you say to me? Probably not...

 

[zephyrskates]

Do you say to me? Probably not...

no. I was just supporting your sentiment.

 

[enzet]

Yeah, rule is rule. Then apply it to ALL THE SKATERS fairly!

I think we could all agree on this particular line! But will that ever happen?
On one hand I like that Yu-Na finally got the call because the fact her questionable flip went unnoticed for such a long time while others got dinged was what seemed unfair to me.
On the other hand I still think the edge and ur calls are not consistent at all and while Yu-Na got hit this time, some others probably got away with it or were given the benefit of the doubt for similar or worse lipping/flutzing. And that is indeed not fair either.

Now, what shall be done to fix this is something I'd like to hear about, if it is possible at all.