Lambiel robbed of new PB by technical specialist!
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Mathman said:Oh. Yeah. I meant Scott Hamil...I mean Scott Davis.
Right you are, Alsace and Antman.
Except you spelt his name right unlike me!!
I thought i'd heard the Scott had trained to be a technical specialist! Anyway i was just concerend because the role of technical specialist is one of those funny ones that seems to be exempt from any conflict of interst issues...more annoyances with teh judging system!
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Watching Joubert skate LIVE was a wonder. He had everyone pulling for him to skate well and he did. We cheered and he got the standing ovation. He was back to form.antmanb said:
A few skaters later, and Lambiel took the ice. The tension in the Arena was unbearable. He had not been getting proper GoEs in his spinning at the Olympics. Since both had perfect quads, for Stephane, it came down to centering his spins to beat Brian's skate. The 3A was not necessary because he was quite a few points ahead. I expected a 2A but he went for the 3A. The crowd roared knowing that was his weak element. Apparently the ABC commentators also saw it as a perfect 3A. It looks it on TV as well as it did in Calgary.
However, if the Tech Spec downgrades it, there is nothing much anyone can do. But even with all those penalties of a down grade he still won. I think Scott Davis may have to answer to that come the grande seance in May.
In conclusion, Brian was stupendous and their rivalry will be another Yagudin v. Plushenko for the next few years if Stephane's knees hold up. As much as I like Buttle, Eman and Johnny, the European boys have it over them. JMO.
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Joesitz said:
OK - thanks for the detail but i can't figure out from your post who you thought deserved to win...from this post i might deduce you agree that Lambiel was teh deserving winner (though it was close) but from your other posts and discussions with MM i got the impression you were arguing with the result...
So million dollar question....how would you have ranked the medals in the mens event?
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I'm a music lover and Stephane can handle Vivaldi better than Carolina. I give the edge to Stephane for that reason over Joubert who, btw, did a fine job with that staccato music.antmanb said:
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One interesting thing about the outcome is that Lambiel won it in the qualifying round.
Going by just the short and long programs, it's Joubert 236.78 and Lambiel 233.98.
But Lambiel won the qualifying round (even after factoring) by more than 6 points, giving him the gold medal overall.
Going by just the short and long programs, it's Joubert 236.78 and Lambiel 233.98.
But Lambiel won the qualifying round (even after factoring) by more than 6 points, giving him the gold medal overall.
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According to the printout I got:
QR - Lambiel 1 Joubert 3 Lysacek 2 Oda 1 Sandhu 6
SP - Lambiel 4 Joubert 1 Lysacek 8 Oda 3 Sandhu 2
LP - Lambiel 1 Joubert 2 Lysacek 3 Oda 5 Sandhu 4
Buttle and Weir did better in the QR
Preaubert over Chengiang Li although both had one each very bad score'
Joe
QR - Lambiel 1 Joubert 3 Lysacek 2 Oda 1 Sandhu 6
SP - Lambiel 4 Joubert 1 Lysacek 8 Oda 3 Sandhu 2
LP - Lambiel 1 Joubert 2 Lysacek 3 Oda 5 Sandhu 4
Buttle and Weir did better in the QR
Preaubert over Chengiang Li although both had one each very bad score'
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Mathman said:
Yeah but if it was just done by short and long I gaurantee the Swiss federation would have protested the triple axel downgraded to a double and the TV networks around the work would have got behind it as well. I bet the ISU would have caved and reversed the decision as well!
We need an explanation!
I was in Calgary in the first row but on the other side of the rink from the controversial 3A. It looked very good to me and everybody around me. Days later a very credible source told me that the technical controller said, "We had to downgrade it." Why, I don't know, but was it underrotated....what? I would love to see the slow-mo of the landing. I kow that Stephane was upset and so was Peter Grutter, his coach. I don't know if the Swiss Federation will protest, but Grutter expressed his unhappiness directly to the technical controller.
For Lambiel and Grutter it is not an issue of Stephane "being robbed" it is an issue of CONSISTENCY AND ACCURACY in the new scoring system. How can a skater do exactly the same spin in a qualifying round and a free program and end up having the free program spin downgraded in level? Something is very wrong here and the technical controllers and specialists need to be challenged on it.
The very future of figure skating depends on the credibility of the judging and scoring. One more judging scandal and the whole sport of figure skating risks being downgraded to an atristic verion of professional wrestling - only with sequins and nice music!
I was in Calgary in the first row but on the other side of the rink from the controversial 3A. It looked very good to me and everybody around me. Days later a very credible source told me that the technical controller said, "We had to downgrade it." Why, I don't know, but was it underrotated....what? I would love to see the slow-mo of the landing. I kow that Stephane was upset and so was Peter Grutter, his coach. I don't know if the Swiss Federation will protest, but Grutter expressed his unhappiness directly to the technical controller.
For Lambiel and Grutter it is not an issue of Stephane "being robbed" it is an issue of CONSISTENCY AND ACCURACY in the new scoring system. How can a skater do exactly the same spin in a qualifying round and a free program and end up having the free program spin downgraded in level? Something is very wrong here and the technical controllers and specialists need to be challenged on it.
The very future of figure skating depends on the credibility of the judging and scoring. One more judging scandal and the whole sport of figure skating risks being downgraded to an atristic verion of professional wrestling - only with sequins and nice music!
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slutskayafan21 said:
He won! That should have made you happy but you are so focused on the negative that it seems nothing will make you happy. Your comments that others hate Lambiel or that the judges are anti-Lambiel are laughable considering that he won 2 world titles, one Olympic silver (with a poor skate), and one GPF.
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slutskayafan21 said:
if Evan won I'd be so over the moon I wouldn't care what got downgraded. HE might, but I wouldn't... and a lot of other fans wouldn't either...
instead of forcing people you don't even know to feel and think they way you think they ought to, try focusing on your own emotions
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Slutsayafan said:
The ISU dodged a huge bullet, thanks to the qualifying round. Because Lambiel was comfortably ahead after the Q round, all these discussions can be swept under the rug because they didn't affect the result.carol45 said:
But take away the qualifying round (for instance, if this had happened at the Olympics!), and the downgrade of the Axel becomes the difference being winning the World Championship or not. The New Judging System wouild have been in deep doodoo.
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Mathman said:
OK Mathman. Now for a homework assignment.
I am totally wracking my brain trying to remember where I read this. Or maybe I just dreamed it. I could swear I read somewhere that the skaters are able to see their protocols (on a monitor??) immediately following their skates. I thought there was a process whereby the skater could privately (I assume through their coach or whatever) question a call, and get an answer. Not that I've ever heard of a call being changed, and not that I've ever believed that every call is 100% accurate - in FS or in Football. But your post made me curious to dig deeper into this.....myth?? dream?? Whatever it is. DG
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I don't think the ISU dodged a bullet re: qualifying. If there were no qualifying scores counted, Joubert would have DESERVED to win.
All of these discussions are really so pointless. Lambiel won. He won. End.
All of these discussions are really so pointless. Lambiel won. He won. End.
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EvanLysacekFan said:
That is a ridiculous statement. What basis do you have that Joubert would have DESERVED to win without qualifying? So what if he skated two programs well, so did Lambiel and Lambiel is the more complete skater. Everybody would have looked at the scores and realized Lambiel would have had the points to win without a triple axel that was fully rotated downgraded to a double by a tech. specialist who also graded a spin that was level 4 in qualifying down to a level 2. There would have been a huge controversy around the event had it not been for the qualifying round, and the ISU did dodge a HUGE BULLET.
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Vash01 said:
If you analyze all those events there was nobody that finished below him that deserved to beat him. It was not like the judges had much of a choice in any of those events but to put him where they did. Most of the other skaters dont have a quad, and make as many or more mistakes than he does, so unless he had the presentation skills of Chengiang Li there wasnt much choice.
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