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zanadude said:
I didn't get that feeling at all. They asked her feelings as a first question, she basically said "it's a complex feeling", and the interviewer led her to elaborate. Not mean at all, she was just doing her job.

Marin herself said after her short that, if she skated her free flawlessly, she could win. Well, she did, yet she didn't. She met the goals that were within her reach, but couldn't reach the ones that were out of her control. She did her best, but, despite her opinion of herself, her best wasn't good enough. A perfectly legitimate reaction from Marin, and a perfectly reasonable line of questioning by the interview.

The question is, what does she do now? Does she double down on her style of skating, rushing a quad into her program to bridge the gap? Or does she turn to the dark side and adopt the Russian Way of gaming the system?
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Yeah, I think this is most frustrating. If you skated clean and yet didn't reach your goal. Even worse if you skated clean and were off the podium...at least, if you didn't skate clean, you knew what you needed to work on...

I'm guessing she'll try to move more combinations into the second half and repeat harder jumps than just the 3F and 3T... I don't see her adding quads anytime soon, nor any other female skater.
 
zanadude said:
She is definitely already working on one. I don't think she'd be putting in the effort if she didn't want to use it someday.
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Which one?

A lot of women train quads and triple axels, but very few have landed them in competition, and even fewer have consistently landed them in competition.
 
Marin was the champion in my heart. But of course, if she intends to try an olympic gold medal she has to bring the technicall content. 3lz-3lo in the first half, and in the second half 3lz, 2a-3t, 3f , 3s, 3lo and 2a-2t-2lo (alina's tech program). And in the SP, 3lz-3t, 3lo and 2a in the second half. Otherwise, there's simply no way (as we saw in the junior worlds) to compete with the russians.
 
zanadude said:
She is definitely already working on one. I don't think she'd be putting in the effort if she didn't want to use it someday.
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Her brother Taichi has managed to land 3A's in competition... she loves to beat her brother... and so a quad becomes a necessity! ;-D

Taichi has not been particularly successful as a competitive skater, but I think he has played a significant role in Marin's development and success... because of sibling rivalry...! :-D Thank you, Taichi! :-D
 
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zanadude said:
I didn't get that feeling at all. They asked her feelings as a first question, she basically said "it's a complex feeling", and the interviewer led her to elaborate. Not mean at all, she was just doing her job.
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Well, the way I heard it, the implication was... more was said, repeated at different times, and weren't included in the broadcasts.

But like I said from the start - I heard it 2nd-hand, and I can't vouch for it. It could be just over-reaction by ardent fans... or not, I don't know (past behaviour that has been pointed out above, does not cast Fuji in a favourable light though).

I threw it out there hoping someone was in a position to confirm/deny... but I guess not, so we should let it die. No witness + no evidence = assume it didn't happen...! In which case, sorry to cause a fuss for nothing...!
 
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YesWay said:
Well, the way I heard it, the implication was... more was said, repeated at different times, and weren't included in the broadcasts.

But like I said from the start - I heard it 2nd-hand, and I can't vouch for it. It could be just over-reaction by ardent fans... or not, I don't know (past behaviour that has been pointed out above, does not cast Fuji in a favourable light though).

I threw it out there hoping someone was in a position to confirm/deny... but I guess not, so we should let it die. No witness + no evidence = assume it didn't happen...! In which case, sorry to cause a fuss for nothing...!
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I watched the interview as it aired. I'll transcribe it when I have time to watch it again.

Edit: Ah, reread your post. I didn't notice any odd jumps in the interview, but will check again.
 
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zanadude said:
I watched the interview as it aired. I'll transcribe it when I have time to watch it again.

Edit: Ah, reread your post. I didn't notice any odd jumps in the interview, but will check again.
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Well, like I said the implication was that stuff was said and/or repeated separately from the interview that was broadcast. So not necessarily any visible editing. But presumably somebody would have be physically there to know this - I don't know how likely or feasible that is.
 
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randomfan said:
Congrats to Marin! :clap: Beautiful performances and beautiful skater!

As for Fuji TV...:curse: We don't know whether the story of the reporter being mean and pressuring is true yet, but either way they've already made me angry with the video blocking. It's truly annoying now.
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Sorry to disappoint you but in Japan you are not allowed to upload TV programs whether in full or in part. (Actually, a CM targeting school kids and teenagers tells them that uploading is illegal and it is punished accordingly).
No matter we like it or not, those from Fuji TV just do their job.
 
It's true that woman announcer is said to be not a so excellent interviewer. So fans are sometimes mad or irritate at her interviewing skills. But it occurs when their favorite skaters have lost what they really wanted (in Marin's case this time was the gold medal, I suppose). But she did perfect her both SP and FS and got the silver medal. It's nothing to regret, I'm sure.

She said she was frustrated for about 10 minutes but now feeling all right. "With the present layout, I lose when we both did perfect. I'm ashamed that I thought I could win with my perfect performance, for even a moment."

Her sister, Sara asked Marin why the spin had been level 3 after SP :biggrin:, but she said FS was really great :laugh:

Don't worry, guys. Marin is perfectly OK now. According to Hamada coach, Marin is a girl who is depressed right after a failed competition, but quickly forgets about that. She never allows bad feelings to linger.

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20170319-00000169-sph-spo

As for Yuzuru's case, it was his joke, I think. He said,
"I got silver medals 3 times in 4CC. I'm sorry about that for Fuji (TV)-san." (he was just implying that he knew Fuji TV was planning to use his victory for many events, but they missed the chance, and he apologized jokingly.)
 
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dia said:
Sorry to disappoint you but in Japan you are not allowed to upload TV programs whether in full or in part. (Actually, a CM targeting school kids and teenagers tells them that uploading is illegal and it is punished accordingly).
No matter we like it or not, those from Fuji TV just do their job.
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The thing is, they are on shakey ground because they only own the copyrights for ISU footage in Japan.

They are within their rights to block videos that are accessible from Japan... but they are going beyond that, and blocking videos globally, whether they are accessible from Japan or not.

Other companies buy the copyrights for the same ISU footage in other regions - Fuji TV does not have global rights. It is up those those other companies to make claims, if their copyright is infringed on Youtube... and many of those companies choose not to do so. It's not Fuji TV's place, to act as Youtube police... in regions where they have no rights... if the companies in those regions don't care to enforce their rights themselves.

Of course individuals uploading ISU footage IS a breach of copyright. But I have certain sympathy for the uploaders and the people who watch their videos. Because eg. In the UK, our national champions often skate in "early" groups, and therefore practically never get shown in Eurosport coverage. So for many people, the only way to see them (and this may include their families, rink-mates and personal friends)... may be by Youtube uploads.

Also, if other companies who bought rights from ISU happened to use Youtube too... it would surely hit the fan, because their legal uploads would also be auto-blocked by Fuji TV...! I kind of wish that would happen, just to see Fuji get their knuckles rapped for it ;-D Actually, I would love for Eurosport or somesuch to upload some ISU footage to Youtube and then get Fuji TV's videos blocked instead... and see how they like it! Haha! LOL ;-D
 
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YesWay said:
The thing is, they are on shakey ground because they only own the copyrights for ISU footage in Japan.

They are within their rights to block videos that are accessible from Japan... but they are going beyond that, and blocking videos globally, whether they are accessible from Japan or not.

Other companies buy the copyrights for the same ISU footage in other regions - Fuji TV does not have global rights. It is up those those other companies to make claims, if their copyright is infringed on Youtube... and many of those companies choose not to do so. It's not Fuji TV's place, to act as Youtube police... in regions where they have no rights... if the companies in those regions don't care to enforce their rights themselves
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How do you know that Fuji TV is asking for the footage to be blocked worldwide? Youtube does the blocking, not Fuji TV.

Youtube may well investigate on its own, determine that the contents are not public domain, then determine on its own to block everywhere.
 
zanadude said:
How do you know that Fuji TV is asking for the footage to be blocked worldwide? Youtube does the blocking, not Fuji TV.

Youtube may well investigate on its own, determine that the contents are not public domain, then determine on its own to block everywhere.
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I have to assume you haven't seen what one of the blocked videos looks like.
They say "This video contains content from fujitv_official, who has blocked it on copyright grounds."

You should also take a look at Youtube's "copyright centre" to see how they handle copyright issues.
They provide tools for uploaders to identify videos that match theirs.
And they provide procedures for making copyright claims, and facilities to block those videos, when they find matches.
They block stuff when they are asked to do so - it's driven by the uploaders.

They do not take it up on themselves (or waste their resources) looking for copyright violations.
Yes Youtube does the blocking - when they are asked to do so, via a copyright claim... or via their "content id" matching systems, at the request of the uploaders.
 
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I know Phil Hersh is polarizing and some people don't like him, but it's pretty rare to see him praise a junior skater so much on Twitter.

OMG Marin Honda (JPN) at jr worlds FS. Seamless, incredible flow out of jumps, ethereal. @SkatingLesson U wuz right!
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Have just watched Marin Honda program 5 times. Utterly spellbinding. Most beautiful skating I have seen all year. Comp scores WAY too low
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She's a gem.
 
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I know Phil Hersh is polarizing and some people don't like him, but it's pretty rare to see him praise a junior skater so much on Twitter.





She's a gem.
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That's impressive!

I wanna see her do something different next year :biggrin: Might be too much to ask for during Olympic season, so maybe the year after that :cool14: She has great musicality.
 
I knew that Marin was the reigning JWC but didn't pay much attention to junior ladies until this season (thanks to my personal "discovery" of Stanislava Konstantinova). And now I see what all the buzz is about. Along with her wonderful technical and skating abilities, she has a luminous quality about her that seems totally natural, not "acted" for the sake of the performance. To me, that's a rare quality that few skaters possess (Kaetlyn Osmond being another that comes to mind). It will be exciting to see her compete in upcoming seasons, and I wish her all the best!
 
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