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Mikhail Kolyada

vorravorra said:
Undertrained. He never looked undertrained in practices before. Are you trying to suggest a week in the hospital wouldn't affect his shape at all? :scratch2:
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I'm not suggesting anything, that's my point. Even when he was trained, when he looked better in practices, when he was landing his quads left and right before the GPs, he still made a lot of unexpected mistakes, so I really don't know what to expect at this point.
 
coldblueeyes said:
I'm not suggesting anything, that's my point. Even when he was trained, when he looked better in practices, when he was landing his quads left and right before the GPs, he still made a lot of unexpected mistakes, so I really don't know what to expect at this point.
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Logic would suggest worse.
 
We’ll know in 24 hours.

I just hope this doesn’t aggravate his health problems, and that his confidence isn’t too shot by the experience. He has to know he isn’t in good form, especially if he left practice early. But if he wants to go down fighting, then I guess that’s what he wants to do. We can only wait and support our guy :pray:
 
coldblueeyes said:
It won't change a thing anyway. Withdrawing now and then competing at the Russian Cup Final might end up being a waste for him, because I can totally see the Fed locking the team after Nats. Competing now, Misha still has as much of a chance of making the team as the rest of the guys. Unless he's in worse shape than during the GP season, he might even podium, or god forbid, win the whole thing.
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Please don't say that

I think it all rests on the strong likelihood that one of other three guys, Kovtun, Samarin & Aliev, will mess up a big time then he might just sneak in third. But even unthinkable can happen once in the century and all three do well enough (not that I am wishing anyone to fail)
 
But that's my point, guys. I know theoretically, he's in the worst shape he's been all season, but then he's been having ups and downs since he's started to compete in September. We'll know what's going to happen when he skates, and even if he goes well or not, it will still be impossible to know the state he's in.
 
Tutto said:
Please don't say that

I think it all rests on the strong likelihood that one of other three guys, Kovtun, Samarin & Aliev, will mess up a big time then he might just sneak in third. But even unthinkable can happen once in the century and all three do well enough (not that I am wishing anyone to fail)
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Yes, it won't say much of the other three if they manage to lose to Misha straight off a hospital bed. Anyway, I am out of patience with the entire team by now, let Misha do whatever he wants with this competition, I am only concerned about his health.
 
coldblueeyes said:
But that's my point, guys. I know theoretically, he's in the worst shape he's been all season, but then he's been having ups and downs since he's started to compete in September. We'll know what's going to happen when he skates, and even if he goes well or not, it will still be impossible to know the state he's in.
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I don't see why his state is a mystery or was a mystery all season for that matter. It was health + nerves which health concerns made worse.
 
Tutto said:
Why the Fed could not give same assurance to Mika instead of running him to the ground the latter probably will suit certain people though
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Misha should have withdrawn a week ago, then he could be in the conversation for a bye. Even then, I doubt he'd be considered with the season he's had. Score-wise he's by far the best russian guy, but placement-wise no, which is a problem that they can't do anything about now.
 
coldblueeyes said:
Misha should have withdrawn a week ago, then he could be in the conversation for a bye. Even then, I doubt he'd be considered with the season he's had. Score-wise he's by far the best russian guy, but placement-wise no, which is a problem that they can't do anything about now.
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If a) Misha is healthy and shows himself well, and b) they want to retain three spots for Worlds they should consider Misha. This isn't about Misha's bests interests, with him they have a chance, without him no.
 
RusFed begged Evgenia last season to withdraw from RusNats as not to risk aggravating her injury, though of course Evgenia had a way more titles than Mika, in terms of his standing in men discipline he is no less valuable to Rus Fed than Evgenia was. So why not at least give him a chance for the third spot

I too feel his chances to be considered would be better if he withdrew, but we simply do not know what was/is happening behind scenes
 
Tutto said:
RusFed begged Evgenia last season to withdraw from RusNats as not to risk aggravating her injury, though of course Evgenia had a way more titles than Mika, in terms of his standing in men discipline he is no less valuable to Rus Fed than Evgenia was. So why not at least give him a chance for the third spot
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Last season was an Olympic season, after all. But I agree--if they don't like Misha, don't like Valentina, want to promote Kovtun, etc. fine, but this isn't about politics anymore. It's just common sense. There is no way they keep three spots without him. With these programs, the scores he got earlier in the season, and the way the other top men have been struggling, there is no limit to what a fully healthy Misha can accomplish at Worlds. It is in the Fed's best interest to let him rest up and give him the bye. Or at least to consider it, depending on how the other guys do.
 
vorravorra said:
If a) Misha is healthy and shows himself well, and b) they want to retain three spots for Worlds they should consider Misha. This isn't about Misha's bests interests, with him they have a chance, without him no.
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I'd add that Misha is also the one skater who could challenge the podium at worlds. But I don't think the three spots are factoring much at the moment, at least it doesn't seem like something the Fed cares that much about.
 
rachno2 said:
Last season was an Olympic season, after all. But I agree--if they don't like Misha, don't like Valentina, want to promote Kovtun, etc. fine, but this isn't about politics anymore. It's just common sense. There is no way they keep three spots without him. With these programs, the scores he got earlier in the season, and the way the other top men have been struggling, there is no limit to what a fully healthy Misha can accomplish at Worlds. It is in the Fed's best interest to let him rest up.
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Logically yes, but it does not look that way, I don't believe that he would be doing this now if there was a chance to remain on the team
 
Just a thought it could be a golden opportunity for the Fed to show him that staying with Valentina is not doing him any favours
 
coldblueeyes said:
I'd add that Misha is also the one skater who could challenge the podium at worlds. But I don't think the three spots are factoring much at the moment, at least it doesn't seem like something the Fed cares that much about.
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What do they care about? CSKA? Or they have given up on the men's discipline so whatever? Quite probably. Anyway, particularly if none of the three men bomb Euros let them go. Healthy Misha is perfectly capable of taking away one of the remaining Worlds spots next season from whoever will have managed to lose three.
 
Tutto said:
Just a thought it could be a golden opportunity for the Fed to show him that staying with Valentina is not doing him any favours
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They are not thinking that far ahead with this kind of planning. Misha is also not doing himself any favors, he's definitely not without agency in his team.
 
vorravorra said:
What do they care about? CSKA? Or they have given up on the men's discipline so whatever? Quite probably.
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Have you seen them taking measures to solidify the discipline at all in Russia? There's your answer.

Most of the time it feels like they care about the catfight of opinions between teams and nothing else.
 
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