Moves that you Miss

[icesk8erdude4e]

Moves I miss

Well, I have been watching skating for only five years but I remember from the time that I first started waching as compared to now it has changed so much.

Let's see: I definately miss the good solid split jumps; they are no longer being done as they don't give you any points.

Spiral Sequences that are nice and simplistic such as Michelle Kwan's. Now a days you have to get into all of these positions which besides Sasha Cohen I don't think they are capable of handling them at all.

The double loop-triple loop combination, and combinations with a triple loop at the end. Such as in Sara Hughes's Olympic Free Skate she did the triple toe-triple loop; and the triple salchow-triple loop now their being brought back but not as well as they were. Like Miki Ando with the triple lutz-triple loop and Mao Asada with the triple flip-triple loop I think that soon your going to see Mao Asada doing triple axel-triple loop.

Circle Stops and Slash and Burn Choreography done well such as Alexei Yagudin's.

This new system now brings everything out of skaters to the point where I think that it looks sloppy sometimes. However, the ice dance competition I believe that it changed it for the better, in the past there was really nothing to ice dancing and usually what happened on the ice only partially explained the result, now the best team in that select event will win the event and that's just how it is. Such as the twizzles this new system has made them well now.

 

[BravesSkateFan]

AP McDonough used to do a Russian Split / Mazurka / 3toe. I loved that move and its probably my favorite jump entance ever.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Depending on the speed of the split jump, it is not easy to land and get into another element. I admired AP for that. I miss her,

My best trick a hundred years ago was a split flip and a half into a lunge to whip around the free leg into a sitspin. I doubt it would get much credit in CoP.

Joe

 

[Mathman]

"Stag" or "split" refers to the position in the air, and "falling leaf" (or "half-flip") refers to the takeoff. Most split and stag jumps are done from a flip takeoff with half rotation, so it's usually not specified. If it's done from a falling leaf or half-lutz entrance, then it's worth mentioning the entrance, e.g., "stag falling leaf" or "split half-lutz." And if the flip takeoff is done with a full rotation, it's a "split flip."

Note that "falling leaf" without a modifier is more often a small jump used as a connecting step in jump sequences or footwork and usually not noticeable. The big versions with extended air positions are the exception and worth mentioning. E.g., as "stag falling leaf."

Your posts are always so informative! What exactly is it about the take-off that makes it a "falling leaf?" Do you know where the move got its name? (I always thought the idea was that once you were in the air you tried to look like a leaf fluttering down to the ground, but I guess that must be wrong if it is about the take-off.)

 

[gkelly]

What exactly is it about the take-off that makes it a "falling leaf?"

A falling leaf takes off from the back outside edge like a loop, but it only has half rotation and lands forward on the toepick of the other foot, usually pushing directly onto the forward inside edge of the takeoff foot. (I.e., same landing as a typical half-flip or half-lutz; totally different from the half-loop which has pretty much a full rotation.)

Do you know where the move got its name? (I always thought the idea was that once you were in the air you tried to look like a leaf fluttering down to the ground, but I guess that must be wrong if it is about the take-off.)

I don't know where the name comes from, but your guess sounds like a good one. Just, in the normal small version (without the big split, or stag, air position), the fluttering down wouldn't cover much vertical distance.

As I mentioned in another thread, the small version is a very common connecting move in jump sequences, followed by a forward inside three into toe loop (single, double, or triple).

See if you can find a copy of Ilia Kulik's interpretive/exhibition program to Liebestraume, from around 1997. He does about 11 falling leafs in a row.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

See if you can find a copy of Ilia Kulik's interpretive/exhibition program to Liebestraume, from around 1997. He does about 11 falling leafs in a row.[/QUOTE/

That move in ballet is called a series of Coupe Jetes in a circular motion around the stage. It brings the house down particularly when the last one turns into double Saute basque which is the equivalent of a double axel.

Joe