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@chopinskate I read through and give my opinion, my opinion is, write it again in short, the thought that Nathan's fan thread here is obsessive or cult like it totally non-sense and ridiculous, I won't change my opinion, and move on.

BTW, I wont engage about this anymore, you can drag on this however long you want, A total waste of my time and Nathan's true fans time here.
 
he said "对不起, 我不懂说很多。。不会说很多中文话" he said something afterwards in English “i cannot say too much in Chinese, but Happy new years every one”
He said all these super fast in Nathan way.

I guess the third video is taken on the bus from USFS training rink to/from competition rink. Lots of media stuff were done there.

Thanks! I'm just a linguo-maniac and I'm a bit jealous he can speak and understand Chinese, which is one of the most difficult languages (Japanese is way easier imo). Though the guy told us Nathan speaks to his mom in Chinese, it's contrary to what Nathan says himself (that he can't speak Chinese much).
 
Yep... this is exactly why I'm hugely bothered by Raf's statements in this recent interview, where he puts all the blame for the short-term layout change on Nathan, as if he himself wasn't the one who taught Nathan to be this kind of competitor.
That’s why I wouldn’t worry so much about the interview. And I say that as someone willing to believe that some of it is a certain value of “true” — not that events unfolded directly as Raf says, but that he isn’t fabricating the entire narrative. Doesn’t mean I think it was a good idea to go public with it or that I’m not open to changing my mind.

Moreover, Raf is Nathan’s coach, and while I admire Nathan’s technical variety in quads, I feel he has numerous issues in technique that need to be addressed. And then there’s his 3A consistency. I’m not asking for his to be beautiful, but he does need to be as consistent as landing it as the top four, as that’s way too many points left to chance until he brings his hit rate up.

And I really do think he’s going too hard in terms of risking injury. The quad-heavy layouts are an ugly risk/reward game. I’d really love to see him slow down, focus on bringing up his level of execution on one or two (while dealing with the 3A), and then going back to variety. Quantity means less to me than quality, although I won’t deny it’s impressive. But Boyang doesn’t need every quad when his 4Lz is the standard against which everyone else’s is measured, and I’d love to see Nathan refine his jumps along those lines.

I'm also not buying that poor Raf was oh-so-powerless and that there was no point in trying to change Nathan's mind... (it sure sounds like he didn't even try, the way he describes it, or maybe that's just how it's transcribed...).
I can think of a few plausible scenarios, including Raf trying to reason with Nathan. But part of training a skater to switch layouts on the fly is that when you try to tell them “no,” it may not be effective. I don’t think there should be an immediate rush to judgment on any party — this sounds like a failure only multiple people could cook up — which, again, I take the interview for a “certain value of true.” It gives us a narrative, but there’s still plenty of missing pieces. I’m not comfortable assigning blame to anyone, but at the end of it all... it’s Nathan’s career, and if he really only wanted to skate one Olympics, this was probably his best chance with Hanyu being injured. Some of the blame has to fall for him for choosing to go risky while injured himself and without sufficient preparation, regardless of whatever mitigating factors there were.

I'm sure that layout change was a result of possibly pressure/ambition/nerves/pride/insecurity...? and not necessarily his family interfering (or at least not alone). And I sure expect a coach at that level of competition to be able to calm his student down and make him trust in his abilities, thereby preventing such a panicked rash action, or to be able to at least talk him out of it.
To quote Sebastian the Crab: Teenagers. And Nathan was coming off a strong season where he hasn’t had to deal with Hanyu, who is the superior skater in terms of artistry, skating skills, transitions, etc., and that’s a bad contrast in the skating order, as Hanyu delivered a performance that, should Nathan make an error, would highlight all of his weaknesses. I’m not saying Nathan is devoid in those areas, just ... obviously not as complete a skater, and since his short went the way it did, Nathan’s strong points were never on display, and there just wasn’t enough program left in the short to even begin to make a decent comparison. It was extremely unfortunate, and given the skating order, another reason to go safe.

I've also noticed, on these boards alone, judging by several posts, that many people have quickly formed a negative opinion of Nathan just based on that one interview, badmouthing his (supposed) attitude and/or demonizing his family/mother... so Raf's definitely damaged his reputation. And that makes me sad for Nathan.
When you do something crazy and it works, it’s not crazy — it just works. (Military joke.) See: Hanyu skating with his injury. When you pull the pin and forget that Mister Grenade is no longer our friend, you get hit for imploding. I’m much more inclined to blame the media hype around Chen, as I think it was horribly dishonest and undeniably added to the pressure he was under... but — and I hate having to say this, because I just felt bad for Chen and like he was being thrown into narratives that weren’t his own creation and that he wanted nothing to do with, to the point he wasn’t even the lead in his own story — Chen wasn’t the only victim of inflated national expectations. It is what it is.

All of that being said... most people forget about figure skating until it’s an Olympic year. I strongly suspect Chen’s overall name ID is low, and that in two years, it will be low enough for all of this not to matter. For now, all we have is Raf’s account, which is incomplete; these things do pass. Don’t feed the fire and it will die. Maybe there was more going on than we’ll ever know and this was a way of lancing a blister in their relationship; maybe they’ll be able to have a serious talk and Nathan will come back stronger. We just don’t know yet.
 
As for Raf's interview. Don't demonize the coach, too :') it wasn't his intention to give interview and TELL THE WHOLE SCARY TRUTH (tm). The interview has been planned BEFORE the Olympics by the journalist herself. Because she's interested in Nathan, of course.

And I like this interview because it gives people an insight look and that is what really makes an interview interesting. There are hundreds of similar interviews where skaters/coaches just answer dull questions Like "did you like the Olys?/was it hard?". They ask them "What was wrong with your performance" and skaters answer "Idk, smthng happened, I hope next time will be better". Such interviews don't make sense, they contain no new and useful information.

And it's strange to me that you consider it rude to reveal that Nathan had a flu. It's nothing special, it's not a PERSONAL information. I mean, it's better to know that he misses (if he does) the Worlds because he is ill rather than because he wants to quit skating at all.
 
All of that being said... most people forget about figure skating until it’s an Olympic year. I strongly suspect Chen’s overall name ID is low, and that in two years, it will be low enough for all of this not to matter. For now, all we have is Raf’s account, which is incomplete; these things do pass. Don’t feed the fire and it will die. Maybe there was more going on than we’ll ever know and this was a way of lancing a blister in their relationship; maybe they’ll be able to have a serious talk and Nathan will come back stronger. We just don’t know yet.

:agree:
 
Thanks! I'm just a linguo-maniac and I'm a bit jealous he can speak and understand Chinese, which is one of the most difficult languages (Japanese is way easier imo). Though the guy told us Nathan speaks to his mom in Chinese, it's contrary to what Nathan says himself (that he can't speak Chinese much).

I agree Chinese is one of the most challenging languages for westerner to study. not only that I think Chinese is also a beautiful, intelligent and efficient language with a huge culture/history background to back up. I usually would suggests my friend to learn Chinese if they ever wanna learn a second language. Especially, for those kids like Nathan, they already has some heritage, I kinda really hope they can brush up if they have some extra time.

but sadly, most American born Chinese that I know is not particularly interested in that idea. Vincent is actually a minority.:biggrin:

As for the contradiction of one fan's account to Nathan's account regarding his Chinese proficiency, I don't know either, it is a mystery.:biggrin: But I assume Nathan's Chinese is not as good as Vincent's:biggrin:
 
NBC: Olympians Go To College
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Public speaking is more nervous for Nathan than Olympic competition :laugh:

What does Nathan say after "super" in "My coach will be super-... about that"? :biggrin:
 
Thanks god Nathan is participating in World Championships!!!
I was so nervous scrolling down the list to find his name :'D
Link: http://www.isuresults.com/events/cat03108710.htm
Upd: though it may not be the final list yet :( (because there's also Yuzuru and he didn't want to participate).

I think Nathan will participate. He still is to earn a medal at Worlds and US needs him to secure 3 spots for next season.
 
Nathan's agent Yuki also tweeted Raf's Russian interview in Japanese on twitter 7 days ago. I think at this point, Nathan and his family must have known about this.
 
Nathan's agent Yuki also tweeted Raf's Russian interview in Japanese on twitter 7 days ago. I think at this point, Nathan and his family must have known about this.
Actually I think those are two different people. @YukiNieve is just a fan. Nathan’s agent is @YukiSNYC.
 
I don’t think there should be an immediate rush to judgment on any party — this sounds like a failure only multiple people could cook up — which, again, I take the interview for a “certain value of true.” It gives us a narrative, but there’s still plenty of missing pieces.

As for Raf's interview. Don't demonize the coach, too :') it wasn't his intention to give interview and TELL THE WHOLE SCARY TRUTH (tm). The interview has been planned BEFORE the Olympics by the journalist herself.

I agree, it was obviously an unfortunate series of events and bad decisions made by several people along the way... and I have also mentioned in another post, that I do believe there might be quite a lot of truth in Raf's story, a least certain facts... but Raf is taking no blame whatsoever and he's also implying too much of a "conspiracy" for my liking.

And I don't think, that I'm demonising the coach. It’s more like I’m raising my eyebrows at how Raf is handling the situation, and I’m annoyed by how he portrays himself as a victim, because "those fragile american kids can't handle an opinion by their russian coach AND would rather listen to their family!" :laugh:

I also felt that he was quite melodramatic, comparing himself to soldiers in a battle, walking into certain death... :rolleye: :laugh:

Also, whenever I see unedited film footage of his interviews, it's pretty apparent that he's all too happy to give his opinion, pretty much rambling on without a filter, so I don't think he just fell victim to some clever, sensationalist journalist. ;)

(I'm also not convinced that he's right about the reasons why Nathan failed with his SP, and I don't believe that Nathan would have fared much better going along with Raf's strategy/layout, but that's just my opinion and of course there's no way of telling what would have happened)


And it's strange to me that you consider it rude to reveal that Nathan had a flu. It's nothing special, it's not a PERSONAL information. I mean, it's better to know that he misses (if he does) the Worlds because he is ill rather than because he wants to quit skating at all.

Not the flu... (that one was pretty much on display whenever there was footage of Nathan during the olympics :laugh: with all the coughing and such, can't really hide it).
I was surprised that Raf brought up the foot injury. Because there’s been rumours, but Nathan never, ever mentioned anything pointing to an injury. And whenever asked directly by the press, he straight out denied any health problems, and he must have had his reasons for this.
So it’s not clear if Nathan would be ok with Raf suddenly disclosing this information. That's why I felt it was unprofessional.
 
I have a feeling Nathan’s first priority is college after this season. Instead of staying with Raf or going to Toronto for Brian Orser, he probably will end up practicing at one of the rinks in Boston (his first choice is Harvard?) or Bay Area (Stanford Univ or UC Berkeley)? I remember he said in one of the interviews that he will continue competing while attending college and see how it goes, next Olympics is four years away.. . We may find out soon after the Worlds.
 
To quote Sebastian the Crab: Teenagers. And Nathan was coming off a strong season where he hasn’t had to deal with Hanyu, who is the superior skater in terms of artistry, skating skills, transitions, etc., and that’s a bad contrast in the skating order, as Hanyu delivered a performance that, should Nathan make an error, would highlight all of his weaknesses. I’m not saying Nathan is devoid in those areas, just ... obviously not as complete a skater, and since his short went the way it did, Nathan’s strong points were never on display, and there just wasn’t enough program left in the short to even begin to make a decent comparison. It was extremely unfortunate, and given the skating order, another reason to go safe.
Perhaps Skating skills and transitions right now, but Hanyu's "artistry" is overrated. Had Nathan skated and performed the SP the way he could, he wouldn't have looked like he lagged behind Hanyu in that area.
 
I would recommend every doubter/non-sayer of Nathan, watch his programs from last 3 years carefully, Nathan had improved at an astonishing rate not only technically and artistically too. He IS an once in a generation figure skating talent. I have absolutely confidence in him. There is no need to argue blah blah, since Nathan will come out using his skating to prove who he truly is.
And he has being doing that throughout his young but long figure skating career.
 
Nathan posted on his instagram the photo of his whole family. And mentioned Karen. Karen is the only skater that seems truly close to Nathan in this OG, they have many photos togethers and Karen supported Nathan when he was down. I think Karen is the only skater supported Nathan out loud at the first moment.

I have a gutting feeling that Nathan is indeed using his instagram to express something subtly.

EDIT: I also have a gutting feeling that Nathan BOI knows who his true brothers and sisters are
 
Perhaps Skating skills and transitions right now, but Hanyu's "artistry" is overrated. Had Nathan skated and performed the SP the way he could, he wouldn't have looked like he lagged behind Hanyu in that area.

Nathan's relatively poor SS and TR (as compared to Yuzu) make him less fluid and look like he's doing things with more effort than Yuzu. If both were to go clean, Yuzu would still look better. Nathan has time to get better though. :agree:
 
To quote Sebastian the Crab: Teenagers. And Nathan was coming off a strong season where he hasn’t had to deal with Hanyu, who is the superior skater in terms of artistry, skating skills, transitions, etc., and that’s a bad contrast in the skating order, as Hanyu delivered a performance that, should Nathan make an error, would highlight all of his weaknesses. I’m not saying Nathan is devoid in those areas, just ... obviously not as complete a skater, and since his short went the way it did, Nathan’s strong points were never on display, and there just wasn’t enough program left in the short to even begin to make a decent comparison. It was extremely unfortunate, and given the skating order, another reason to go safe.


When you do something crazy and it works, it’s not crazy — it just works. (Military joke.) See: Hanyu skating with his injury. When you pull the pin and forget that Mister Grenade is no longer our friend, you get hit for imploding. I’m much more inclined to blame the media hype around Chen, as I think it was horribly dishonest and undeniably added to the pressure he was under... but — and I hate having to say this, because I just felt bad for Chen and like he was being thrown into narratives that weren’t his own creation and that he wanted nothing to do with, to the point he wasn’t even the lead in his own story — Chen wasn’t the only victim of inflated national expectations. It is what it is.

You forgot Nathan's SP beat Hanyu's at Rostelecom Cup and won overall? It's just too bad Nathan was injured and thus didn't have a reliable quad lutz+triple toe, his opening money jump combination, and yes, the heavy expectations especially from himself unraveled him. But Nathan's FS score higher than Hanyu's by 9 points proves Nathan is worthy of all the hype which I don't understand why you think was horribly dishonest.

I know Nathan at 18 still has a lot to improve and I am looking forward to it.
 
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