I remember Vincent saying the same thing. It's incredible how much Michael Weiss has helped skaters and I was sad to hear his foundation is no longer active. Hopefully Nathan and Vincent will be able to join forces to help the next generation of skaters.
Nathan Chen
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Yes, it is those lovely skaters that makes me love figure skating this sports soooo much!
:luv17:
:Nate and Vince will always be my sentimental fav. :luv17:
This season, Nathan's FS music choice has been attacked by some construed haters not only the anti-China campaign against him a couple months ago on Chinese social media (already died down). Also during his GP, one male journalist repeatedly asked about his FS music choice with impure intention. Lots of Chinese figure skating fans and Nathan's fans have sensed that, and felt to defend Nathan and his FS music choice. Like I said before, Nathan's FS is LOVED by Chinese figure skating community even more than his SP.
I think Nathan BOI should be prepared for similar evil-intent questions about his FS music choice during OG. Since, if there is not some politics involved, it is not a normal OG. Also, just be prepared for questions about his FS music/artistry in general.
I decided to translate my music/artistic direction analysis of his FS (written in Chinese initially) and post on this fan thread.
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Nathan’s FS may indeed has some narrative arch or is story telling (as opposed to a complete abstract piece), (Nathan has mentioned to his Japanese fanclub and other occasions, he wishes to tell the story of that movie thru his performance..), After I watched the movie, combined with program choreography and Nathan’s interpretation, I think the narrative arch/structure is pretty clear. Have read other fans’ feeling about Nathan’s FS, many happen to share the same view. Indeed, a great program/performance, does not need lengthy harangue, it speaks for itself and will leave an unforgettable impression.
On the other hand, the feature of a great program is exactly that the more you watch it, the more flavorsome. The following is my personal understanding of Nathan’s FS — Mao’s Last Dancer.
This program music is composed/edited from 3 major pieces of music: 1. brush dance, 2 the rite of spring, 3 village dance and finale. All music pieces have appeared in the movie, “brush dance” and “village and finale” are original sound tracks composed by Christopher Gordon, “the rite of spring” appeared in the movie as a significant(plot wise) ballet piece that the main character Li danced to.
Here is a link to Nathan’s FS music (I will refer to this video for time segmentation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuU8YpCL_R4
However, narrative structure wise, I think there are 4 parts.
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First part is the entirety of music “brush dance”, from opening pose to the start of stsq(the rite of spring) 0:00-1:22, In the movie, the majority of the dances performed by Li is ballet(mostly classic), except for this “brush dance”, which is an original dance infused with Chinese dance flavor/element (could say it is one variety of modern ballet), In terms of music, not only incorporated authentic Chinese traditional instrument(such as plucked string instruments: pipa lute（琵琶）,zither（古筝），percussion-stringed instrument: yangqin(扬琴) etc. all of which are staple of Chinese traditional music instruments) as the accompany acoustic. The melody part mostly played by western instrument Cello was also played and sounded very Chinese. It feels like a mimic to the lingering/void atmosphere/sound (走手音) that created by sliding on the strings of Chinese instrument guqin (古琴). What is genius of Lori’s choreo and Nathan’s interpretation is that intentionally left blank/void music space was either filled with Nathan’s blade sound (such as that little waltz jump transition https://youtu.be/-NroyxzyXJk?t=52 https://www.instagram.com/p/BeqenzNnYme/?taken-by=cuteskaters ) OR subtle pluck of a string matched with Nathan’s quad jump landing light as ephemera https://youtu.be/7NcZT_aVV9c?t=470 (as opposed to usually landing on a heavy note). All together, it created an image of an innocent young boy, who just started his fragile attempt to explore the outside world (which is the instinct of humanity). The Chinese root/blood of the boy is also obvious (through Chinese music style). Nathan’s dance style in this part felt quite Chinese as well, reminds me of Chinese classic dance or Taiji at times.
Mao’s last dancer’s author usually describes his childhood situation and the reality of then China under Culture revolution as “a frog in a well”. Quote from the novel’s opening “There was a frog that lived in a small, deep well. He knew nothing but the world he lived in. His well and the sky he could see above it were his entire universe..” Observing the opening choreo/dance of Nathan’s FS, I feel the restriction, the fallen, the oppression, yet the attempt to explore..
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second part is “The rite of spring” (1:22-2:17) it is an immediate transition from the completion of “brush dance” blank-leaving music phrasing. Nathan’s camel spin also connects this two parts together cleverly and seamlessly. Lori and his music mixer selected several segments from “The rite of spring” Part 1: The Adoration of the Earth - The Augurs Of Spring, as the backdrop of Nathan’s gorgeous stsq, the music editing here (and overall in the whole program) is really brilliant.
The ballet of “The rite of spring” has caused riot in ballet history, It is due its extremely anti-traditional ballet music composition and choreo. It has never been used in figure skating except for John Curry’s 1975 SP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7lvV5EdaDA (although completely different selection of the rite of spring from Nathan’s FS,Lori obviously drew some inspiration there), In the movie, it was used near the end as one of Li’s dance performances, which is also the first time his mother came to US to watch him dance (after years of separation). Why choose this dance not just any other classic ballet dance, I think the purpose is to shown Li as an rebellion, a protagonist, a revolutionist, and the one who dare to be the first. Isn’t this coincide with Nathan’s experience and history-making character. The first to land 5 quads in one program, the first to land 5 different kinds of quads in competition, the manly rarity of a “sequin” dominated sport -- that is figure skating.
From music aspect, it sounded industrial, pressing, resolutional, even a bit mysterious and horrifying towards the end. (The rite of Spring has been used by Disney’s Fantasia, the imaginary associated is volcano eruption, fire, lava, smoke, drastic changes etc.)
From the narrative arch perspective of Nathan’s FS story telling: At this point, boy was picked by Madam Mao’s model ballet school, left his hometown and impoverished yet loving family, started extremely arduous, at times cruel ballet dance training (this is true at China back then). Another coincidence is that the synopsis of “Augurs of Spring” is “The celebration of spring begins in the hills. An old woman enters and begins to foretell the future.”
Li’s life and future has been decided by other except for himself.
Observing Nathan’s body language here, it is rigid/structured, it is staccato, completely different from the tender, soft, fragile feeling of his body language in the “brush dance” part. Nathan even added a level of angst here during his 2018 Nationals FS performance. Notice there is a upper body move (roll-up sleeve https://youtu.be/Ky-IM-ZXzts?t=123 ) in stsq, that reminds me of those propaganda images under Cultural Revolution regime) In the movie, ballet dance at Madam Mao’s school is used to serve Cultural revolution agenda. Deep inside, Li is struggling, he believe that is not true ballet. yet he has no other choice but dance on.
Another small detail is the ice pattern of Nathan stsq is loosely a circle concluded with a vertical line in the middle, resembles the Greek letter Phi, which means Death as well as Creation.
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The third part is right after the closure of “the rite of spring”. it is the poignant Erhu(one of the most emotional/lyrical Chinese traditional music instrument) music segment of “village dance and finale” (2:17-2:54), At this point, Li left China, Madam Mao’s school and started his journey in the world outside (USA). Initially, he is uncertain, he is confused, He has self-doubt in his belief and his loyalty to his own country, The worst is the internal turmoil and guilty feeling whenever he thinks about his Mother back in China and her sacrifice for him to be in United State of America…
Nathan’s facial expression here (poignant, longing https://youtu.be/E-slfguDXe4?t=147 ) and body language (back to gentle, tender, curvy) all embodies this music motif (the music motif/variation used in the movie whenever Li is in a state of internal struggle and reflection). Also, this is the start of second half(bonus part) of his FS, intense jumping passes one after another, it is a huge test for Nathan’s stamina, Yet every jumping pass is still phrased to the music perfectly, this is the most nerve racking point for the audience as well, everyone holds breath, fixates on his jumps, nobody is certain about the final outcome (just like the plot in the movie).
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The forth part (final part) is after the poignant Erhu motif to the end of “Village dance and finale” (2:54-4:48), which is also the soundtrack that accompanys the ending of the movie. After all struggles, when all said and done, Li found his own resolution. And China now is also a new open China. Li came back to his hometown and start to dance in front of hometown folks truly happily for the first time. “Before You Can Fly You Have To Be Free.”
Music wise, “village Dance” is very much a Western orchestral finale but with bits of the Chinese-sounding themes/melody, Lots of Chinese fans feel it (village dance and finale) is not your normal happy ending sound track from just about any movie, they feel a sense of livelihood and hope that is unique to and shared by only Chinese descendants.
Choreo/structure wise, it is Nathan’s last couple of jumps and the lively/powerful/glorious choreo stsq and final 2 spins. Nathan’s choreos stsq here is such a catharsis/climax, true abandonment and freedom. The next 2 spins choreo is yet another genius idea, it is not a continuous building upon choreo stsq to explosion, instead, it quiets down a bit initially, it is a peaceful feeling of return, with refreshed life, hope and happiness (also very Chinese in a way). Not only coincide with the movie ending plot, but also draw full circles of this performance.
Nathan BOI, during the most stressful Olympic season, under the extreme technique standard (five quads set by himself), decided to challenge such a artistically profound free program. Truly earned all my respect.
I will quote one Chinese fan’s comment to Nathan’s FS, summarized everything in one sentence
“短短四分五十秒飞逝而过，如同激荡惊叹的三十年变迁”
Shortly, 4 minutes 50 seconds fleets, as if the astonishing transformation of 3 decades.
PS: Mao's last dancer (book, movie, music) is totally political correct in China, it criticizes Culture Revolution (which is a mistake recognized and corrected by China) not China.
I think Nathan BOI should be prepared for similar evil-intent questions about his FS music choice during OG. Since, if there is not some politics involved, it is not a normal OG. Also, just be prepared for questions about his FS music/artistry in general.
I decided to translate my music/artistic direction analysis of his FS (written in Chinese initially) and post on this fan thread.
- - - Updated - - -
Nathan’s FS may indeed has some narrative arch or is story telling (as opposed to a complete abstract piece), (Nathan has mentioned to his Japanese fanclub and other occasions, he wishes to tell the story of that movie thru his performance..), After I watched the movie, combined with program choreography and Nathan’s interpretation, I think the narrative arch/structure is pretty clear. Have read other fans’ feeling about Nathan’s FS, many happen to share the same view. Indeed, a great program/performance, does not need lengthy harangue, it speaks for itself and will leave an unforgettable impression.
On the other hand, the feature of a great program is exactly that the more you watch it, the more flavorsome. The following is my personal understanding of Nathan’s FS — Mao’s Last Dancer.
This program music is composed/edited from 3 major pieces of music: 1. brush dance, 2 the rite of spring, 3 village dance and finale. All music pieces have appeared in the movie, “brush dance” and “village and finale” are original sound tracks composed by Christopher Gordon, “the rite of spring” appeared in the movie as a significant(plot wise) ballet piece that the main character Li danced to.
Here is a link to Nathan’s FS music (I will refer to this video for time segmentation)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuU8YpCL_R4
However, narrative structure wise, I think there are 4 parts.
- - - Updated - - -
First part is the entirety of music “brush dance”, from opening pose to the start of stsq(the rite of spring) 0:00-1:22, In the movie, the majority of the dances performed by Li is ballet(mostly classic), except for this “brush dance”, which is an original dance infused with Chinese dance flavor/element (could say it is one variety of modern ballet), In terms of music, not only incorporated authentic Chinese traditional instrument(such as plucked string instruments: pipa lute（琵琶）,zither（古筝），percussion-stringed instrument: yangqin(扬琴) etc. all of which are staple of Chinese traditional music instruments) as the accompany acoustic. The melody part mostly played by western instrument Cello was also played and sounded very Chinese. It feels like a mimic to the lingering/void atmosphere/sound (走手音) that created by sliding on the strings of Chinese instrument guqin (古琴). What is genius of Lori’s choreo and Nathan’s interpretation is that intentionally left blank/void music space was either filled with Nathan’s blade sound (such as that little waltz jump transition https://youtu.be/-NroyxzyXJk?t=52 https://www.instagram.com/p/BeqenzNnYme/?taken-by=cuteskaters ) OR subtle pluck of a string matched with Nathan’s quad jump landing light as ephemera https://youtu.be/7NcZT_aVV9c?t=470 (as opposed to usually landing on a heavy note). All together, it created an image of an innocent young boy, who just started his fragile attempt to explore the outside world (which is the instinct of humanity). The Chinese root/blood of the boy is also obvious (through Chinese music style). Nathan’s dance style in this part felt quite Chinese as well, reminds me of Chinese classic dance or Taiji at times.
Mao’s last dancer’s author usually describes his childhood situation and the reality of then China under Culture revolution as “a frog in a well”. Quote from the novel’s opening “There was a frog that lived in a small, deep well. He knew nothing but the world he lived in. His well and the sky he could see above it were his entire universe..” Observing the opening choreo/dance of Nathan’s FS, I feel the restriction, the fallen, the oppression, yet the attempt to explore..
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second part is “The rite of spring” (1:22-2:17) it is an immediate transition from the completion of “brush dance” blank-leaving music phrasing. Nathan’s camel spin also connects this two parts together cleverly and seamlessly. Lori and his music mixer selected several segments from “The rite of spring” Part 1: The Adoration of the Earth - The Augurs Of Spring, as the backdrop of Nathan’s gorgeous stsq, the music editing here (and overall in the whole program) is really brilliant.
The ballet of “The rite of spring” has caused riot in ballet history, It is due its extremely anti-traditional ballet music composition and choreo. It has never been used in figure skating except for John Curry’s 1975 SP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7lvV5EdaDA (although completely different selection of the rite of spring from Nathan’s FS,Lori obviously drew some inspiration there), In the movie, it was used near the end as one of Li’s dance performances, which is also the first time his mother came to US to watch him dance (after years of separation). Why choose this dance not just any other classic ballet dance, I think the purpose is to shown Li as an rebellion, a protagonist, a revolutionist, and the one who dare to be the first. Isn’t this coincide with Nathan’s experience and history-making character. The first to land 5 quads in one program, the first to land 5 different kinds of quads in competition, the manly rarity of a “sequin” dominated sport -- that is figure skating.
From music aspect, it sounded industrial, pressing, resolutional, even a bit mysterious and horrifying towards the end. (The rite of Spring has been used by Disney’s Fantasia, the imaginary associated is volcano eruption, fire, lava, smoke, drastic changes etc.)
From the narrative arch perspective of Nathan’s FS story telling: At this point, boy was picked by Madam Mao’s model ballet school, left his hometown and impoverished yet loving family, started extremely arduous, at times cruel ballet dance training (this is true at China back then). Another coincidence is that the synopsis of “Augurs of Spring” is “The celebration of spring begins in the hills. An old woman enters and begins to foretell the future.”
Li’s life and future has been decided by other except for himself.
Observing Nathan’s body language here, it is rigid/structured, it is staccato, completely different from the tender, soft, fragile feeling of his body language in the “brush dance” part. Nathan even added a level of angst here during his 2018 Nationals FS performance. Notice there is a upper body move (roll-up sleeve https://youtu.be/Ky-IM-ZXzts?t=123 ) in stsq, that reminds me of those propaganda images under Cultural Revolution regime) In the movie, ballet dance at Madam Mao’s school is used to serve Cultural revolution agenda. Deep inside, Li is struggling, he believe that is not true ballet. yet he has no other choice but dance on.
Another small detail is the ice pattern of Nathan stsq is loosely a circle concluded with a vertical line in the middle, resembles the Greek letter Phi, which means Death as well as Creation.
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The third part is right after the closure of “the rite of spring”. it is the poignant Erhu(one of the most emotional/lyrical Chinese traditional music instrument) music segment of “village dance and finale” (2:17-2:54), At this point, Li left China, Madam Mao’s school and started his journey in the world outside (USA). Initially, he is uncertain, he is confused, He has self-doubt in his belief and his loyalty to his own country, The worst is the internal turmoil and guilty feeling whenever he thinks about his Mother back in China and her sacrifice for him to be in United State of America…
Nathan’s facial expression here (poignant, longing https://youtu.be/E-slfguDXe4?t=147 ) and body language (back to gentle, tender, curvy) all embodies this music motif (the music motif/variation used in the movie whenever Li is in a state of internal struggle and reflection). Also, this is the start of second half(bonus part) of his FS, intense jumping passes one after another, it is a huge test for Nathan’s stamina, Yet every jumping pass is still phrased to the music perfectly, this is the most nerve racking point for the audience as well, everyone holds breath, fixates on his jumps, nobody is certain about the final outcome (just like the plot in the movie).
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The forth part (final part) is after the poignant Erhu motif to the end of “Village dance and finale” (2:54-4:48), which is also the soundtrack that accompanys the ending of the movie. After all struggles, when all said and done, Li found his own resolution. And China now is also a new open China. Li came back to his hometown and start to dance in front of hometown folks truly happily for the first time. “Before You Can Fly You Have To Be Free.”
Music wise, “village Dance” is very much a Western orchestral finale but with bits of the Chinese-sounding themes/melody, Lots of Chinese fans feel it (village dance and finale) is not your normal happy ending sound track from just about any movie, they feel a sense of livelihood and hope that is unique to and shared by only Chinese descendants.
Choreo/structure wise, it is Nathan’s last couple of jumps and the lively/powerful/glorious choreo stsq and final 2 spins. Nathan’s choreos stsq here is such a catharsis/climax, true abandonment and freedom. The next 2 spins choreo is yet another genius idea, it is not a continuous building upon choreo stsq to explosion, instead, it quiets down a bit initially, it is a peaceful feeling of return, with refreshed life, hope and happiness (also very Chinese in a way). Not only coincide with the movie ending plot, but also draw full circles of this performance.
Nathan BOI, during the most stressful Olympic season, under the extreme technique standard (five quads set by himself), decided to challenge such a artistically profound free program. Truly earned all my respect.
I will quote one Chinese fan’s comment to Nathan’s FS, summarized everything in one sentence
“短短四分五十秒飞逝而过，如同激荡惊叹的三十年变迁”
Shortly, 4 minutes 50 seconds fleets, as if the astonishing transformation of 3 decades.
PS: Mao's last dancer (book, movie, music) is totally political correct in China, it criticizes Culture Revolution (which is a mistake recognized and corrected by China) not China.
As Nathan said, Lori pinched this idea initially, because she really loves the music. It indeed showed in Nathan's FS choreo and music editing by Lori and Team.
It is a masterpiece from Lori (which is not as often nowadays as it used to be). As Nathan also mentioned, his parents feel more connection to this music, but he himself also felt closer and closer to the protagonist as the season went on.
Great beautiful music is great beautiful music, it is beyond borders of any kind.
Go Nathan BOI, Bon Voyage！BEST of luck at the games. Wish all your dreams come true.
quote Nathan BOI's biggest fan in China "三三奥运加油加油加油[加油]我能为你做的也就只有这些了"
:luv17:
It is a masterpiece from Lori (which is not as often nowadays as it used to be). As Nathan also mentioned, his parents feel more connection to this music, but he himself also felt closer and closer to the protagonist as the season went on.
Great beautiful music is great beautiful music, it is beyond borders of any kind.
Go Nathan BOI, Bon Voyage！BEST of luck at the games. Wish all your dreams come true.
quote Nathan BOI's biggest fan in China "三三奥运加油加油加油[加油]我能为你做的也就只有这些了"
:luv17:another Chinese fan's support and message to Nathan BOI with LOVE regarding his FS.
"Nathan Chen is a legend! His performance improved so much this season, especially his long program! Well, his music is kind of sensitive, but I would like to say it's never correct to related politics to this beautiful sport. The story in this film is basically true, and it's party of our history, and I think today's China is confident and powerful enough to face our history. Every nation faces difficulties, doesn't it? I am an undergraduate exchange in America this semester, and I will leave US next week, and I kinda share the similar feeling with Cunxin Li because I don't want to go back honestly, but that doesn't mean I don't like China. I am and wil be Chinese in my whole life no matter what, and I am so proud of where I come from! I am so proud of what Nathan did this season as an American and also a Chinese-American. So go nathan! We love your long program and we love you!"
"Nathan Chen is a legend! His performance improved so much this season, especially his long program! Well, his music is kind of sensitive, but I would like to say it's never correct to related politics to this beautiful sport. The story in this film is basically true, and it's party of our history, and I think today's China is confident and powerful enough to face our history. Every nation faces difficulties, doesn't it? I am an undergraduate exchange in America this semester, and I will leave US next week, and I kinda share the similar feeling with Cunxin Li because I don't want to go back honestly, but that doesn't mean I don't like China. I am and wil be Chinese in my whole life no matter what, and I am so proud of where I come from! I am so proud of what Nathan did this season as an American and also a Chinese-American. So go nathan! We love your long program and we love you!"
Video: Nathan Chen Approaching Olympics ‘One Jump at a Time’
Nathan will be featured in this week's episode of the NBC program, "1st Look," which airs tonight after SNL.
https://twitter.com/1stlooktv/status/959416215675514880
It appears the full episode will be eventually uploaded to their site and/or their Youtube channel.
Nathan will be featured in this week's episode of the NBC program, "1st Look," which airs tonight after SNL.
https://twitter.com/1stlooktv/status/959416215675514880
It appears the full episode will be eventually uploaded to their site and/or their Youtube channel.
Nathan's teleconference is up
http://web.icenetwork.com/video/?content_id=1874034983&topic_id=265554398
Nathan left for Korea this morning
https://twitter.com/NathanChenJP/status/959790034118311936
Unfortunately he wasn't dressed in costume
https://twitter.com/YukiSNYC/status/959851934818717697
http://web.icenetwork.com/video/?content_id=1874034983&topic_id=265554398
Nathan left for Korea this morning
https://twitter.com/NathanChenJP/status/959790034118311936
Unfortunately he wasn't dressed in costume
https://twitter.com/YukiSNYC/status/959851934818717697
The more I think about, the more I realize how much the Super Bowl ad nailed Nathan perfectly. Anyone who follows him knows he's a laid back teen, who wears athletic gear 24/7. When took the ice, it wasn't out of character to have him casually fist bump hockey players and get straight to work. It really was a glimpse into Nathan the athlete behind the competitions.
Full episode of 1st Look is online. Nathan's segment begins around 7:30
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/blogs/1st-look/Full-Episode-Olympic-Athletes.html
Article: Nathan Chen’s golden moment is now
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/blogs/1st-look/Full-Episode-Olympic-Athletes.html
Article: Nathan Chen’s golden moment is now
I have to disagree with Adam, I think the cause of the what seems "technical side over artistic side" in current figure skating is not due to Nathan pushing the bars of the sports.
It is due to mostly uneven judging. especially in the lady's discipline (where artistry is always more important). There is IJS scoring rule book, but how to interpret/apply those bullets in the rule book is different depends on what skater from what federation you are judging (especially currently...). For example. for certain group of dominating lady skaters, cluttered meaningless transitions were deems to be the greatest artistry. But musicality, purposeful choreo, understanding of interpretation/theme and well designed program structure and ice coverage pattern, pure skating skills are ignored. Well, when apply to another lady, would be a whole new way of explanation of rules as well....
So people felt that artistry is lost, because those straight forward, easy to appreciate aspects of artistry like I listed above is not valued or promoted and is lacking in certain group of dominating lady skaters. Most of times, people just confused even after tried to understand/listen to the explanation of commentators (again with all sorts of agenda)
But the fundamental cause is really the corruption within the system (why uneven judging, ofc is to manipulate result...corruption). you have a rule, maybe it is not perfect (but there is still a way to improve it). but if it is due to abuse the rules as authority wishes. Okay, no matter what rules, there is no cure.
But what Nathan did, or what is now in Men's skating is truly revolutionary, it is really a 5 quads vs 1 quad(or no quad) 8 years ago (not just raise your arms a couple of more times), It is also not due to Nathan, it is a collective effort from current leading Male skaters' including Nathan. (Patrick pushed for 2 quads, Yuzuru 3, Boyang first 4lutz combo, and then Nathan 4, 5 ..)
Also, the current leading Male skaters, are generally a great combination of artistry and technique (as much as humanely possible) or truly attempted to improve their artistry besides insanely, historical tech difficulty at the moment. They including Nathan skate to the music, they polish their spins and skating skills to perfection, they seek out real masterful choreographers which resulted many masterpieces.
The current man's figure skating is truly at its highest peak. what they are doing is truly remarkable and historical.
I tend to agree to what Nathan said, maybe there could be a cap on how many quads can be done in a program. so that a better balance of artistry and technique may be reached in man's skating. But even then, Nathan will still be the Boss, because he simply is just a once-in-a-generation figure skating talent. not just a figure jumper (as someone wanted to label him), don't think so, check out his all triple programs when he is 10 years old.
this is what Nathan said
““Personally I feel like there should be some sort of cap on the quads but we should still be pushing it to a certain number. I think that everyone has a point where there has to be a balance between the quads and the artistry but I think that we’re still, as this generation is still finding that balance, it might take a little time.””
I like Nathan, truly a smart BOI.
Manly yet humble.
EDIT: the only reason why I like figure skating now is those lovely skaters.
It is due to mostly uneven judging. especially in the lady's discipline (where artistry is always more important). There is IJS scoring rule book, but how to interpret/apply those bullets in the rule book is different depends on what skater from what federation you are judging (especially currently...). For example. for certain group of dominating lady skaters, cluttered meaningless transitions were deems to be the greatest artistry. But musicality, purposeful choreo, understanding of interpretation/theme and well designed program structure and ice coverage pattern, pure skating skills are ignored. Well, when apply to another lady, would be a whole new way of explanation of rules as well....
So people felt that artistry is lost, because those straight forward, easy to appreciate aspects of artistry like I listed above is not valued or promoted and is lacking in certain group of dominating lady skaters. Most of times, people just confused even after tried to understand/listen to the explanation of commentators (again with all sorts of agenda)
But the fundamental cause is really the corruption within the system (why uneven judging, ofc is to manipulate result...corruption). you have a rule, maybe it is not perfect (but there is still a way to improve it). but if it is due to abuse the rules as authority wishes. Okay, no matter what rules, there is no cure.
But what Nathan did, or what is now in Men's skating is truly revolutionary, it is really a 5 quads vs 1 quad(or no quad) 8 years ago (not just raise your arms a couple of more times), It is also not due to Nathan, it is a collective effort from current leading Male skaters' including Nathan. (Patrick pushed for 2 quads, Yuzuru 3, Boyang first 4lutz combo, and then Nathan 4, 5 ..)
Also, the current leading Male skaters, are generally a great combination of artistry and technique (as much as humanely possible) or truly attempted to improve their artistry besides insanely, historical tech difficulty at the moment. They including Nathan skate to the music, they polish their spins and skating skills to perfection, they seek out real masterful choreographers which resulted many masterpieces.
The current man's figure skating is truly at its highest peak. what they are doing is truly remarkable and historical.
I tend to agree to what Nathan said, maybe there could be a cap on how many quads can be done in a program. so that a better balance of artistry and technique may be reached in man's skating. But even then, Nathan will still be the Boss, because he simply is just a once-in-a-generation figure skating talent. not just a figure jumper (as someone wanted to label him), don't think so, check out his all triple programs when he is 10 years old.
this is what Nathan said
““Personally I feel like there should be some sort of cap on the quads but we should still be pushing it to a certain number. I think that everyone has a point where there has to be a balance between the quads and the artistry but I think that we’re still, as this generation is still finding that balance, it might take a little time.””
I like Nathan, truly a smart BOI.
Manly yet humble.
EDIT: the only reason why I like figure skating now is those lovely skaters.
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So his curls are back?
But now his costume doesn't match his hair! :/
But now his costume doesn't match his hair! :/
not back, still short, latest update in the airport is still short hair. All those promo videos are made before hand.
The original sound was pretty poor and the the last question was cut off but I uploaded it to my google drive
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NCSROb5xboQp1chFna2N33b5NqY1Ubci/view?usp=sharing
Newspaper feature on Raf
http://www.latimes.com/sports/olympics/la-sp-arutunian-skating-20180204-story.html
Nathan statue at LAX.
https://twitter.com/PJKTVL/status/960052048489320448
Latest cover of Skating magazine
https://twitter.com/USFigureSkating/status/960280418174955520
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Okay, Nathan is officially hot, LOL. Good that he became age eligible just in time for this.
http://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...olympians-athletes/?__twitter_impression=true
http://www.harpersbazaar.com/celebr...olympians-athletes/?__twitter_impression=true
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- Mar 24, 2017
Wow that would've been awkward a year ago. But, really, the best part of the article is "Patrick Chan - Japan, figure skating". Does no one proofread anymore?
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I just find that extremely distasteful and creepy. No different to me than BuzzFeed's celebrated "This actor just turned 18, and here are some Instagram pics to celebrate!" articles.
Here's another commercial with Nathan featured prominently
https://twitter.com/NBCOlympics/status/960346016670212096
Tara Lipinski is hosting a TV special tomorrow night featuring the "Best of U.S." athletes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BewJJhJAKis
Nathan with Adam, Alexa, and Chris
https://www.instagram.com/p/BezEEf3lxo5/?taken-by=usfigureskating
https://twitter.com/NBCOlympics/status/960346016670212096
Tara Lipinski is hosting a TV special tomorrow night featuring the "Best of U.S." athletes.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BewJJhJAKis
Nathan with Adam, Alexa, and Chris
https://www.instagram.com/p/BezEEf3lxo5/?taken-by=usfigureskating
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