Nathan Chen
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There's a clearer version circulating now...
My feeling is that he probably needs a little more height but if he can get a bit stronger it's doable. I don't know if could be ready in time for the Olympics, but if he can do it in practice hopefully he'll want to keep competing until he lands one in competition.
My feeling is that he probably needs a little more height but if he can get a bit stronger it's doable. I don't know if could be ready in time for the Olympics, but if he can do it in practice hopefully he'll want to keep competing until he lands one in competition.
It’s everywhere now. I like the tight air position. Also TSL is said to have another video showing nathan landed one.
It's dated last Monday, the day of the team event. Which leads to the question, was he planning to attempt it during the team event?
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Is it a trend now? One must attempt quad axels without a coach.
Jokes aside, I don't think he was planning to attempt it in the team event. It didn't look ready for competition and it's not like him to try a new jump when it's not at least 90% there. Maybe he was just gutted that he popped the 3A two days ago.
That's a possibility. But according to TSL he did only a couple attempts. One fell and one landed. Next year will be the real test for 4A, if Nathan and Yuzu both go for it. Nathan's advantage is faster rotation and tighter legs and Yuzu's advantage is higher jump.
My guestimate is Nathan started working on 4A this year as an option of Raf's "It’s not my plan for Nathan to compete with someone on equals at the Olympics" strategy. On the other hand, Yuzu started training 4A in 2014 (according to that Italian jerk, he had landed it in 2014 right after Sochi Olympics). If, on video, the best Yuzu had was a <4A with fall last December after 7 years, I doubt he had it in 2014 or has it now.
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This is Yuzu's 4A attempt. Playback at .25x it showed he landed forward and fell in a splashing 180* turn. Nathan's clip was less clear on the landing but if you download it and move frame by frame you will see it's on 1/4 short of backward landing, and as a result the "gentle" sit-down fall with a 90* turn.
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I really don't know what to think and how to feel about this whole 4A thing.
Not sure why Nathan would be seriously working on it, given how risky jumping a 4A in competition is, never mind the relatively low reward in terms of points. And the strength and focus needed for it, taking away from all the other jumps/elements in a program, and the risk for potential injury.
Unless it's during a less important competition (i.e. every competition that isn't the Olympics) and he has a big lead after the SP, then I could see how he might wanna go for it, for prestige reasons and as a personal goal of having landed each type of quad successfully in competition.
He certainly doesn't need it, but maybe they feel that he might need it come Olympics, so they wanna be prepared, just in case?
But no way will it be ready, consistent and tried & tested enough for the Olympics, so I'm not too sure this is part of Raf's strategy. Unless
this is just an elaborate ploy by Raf, a type of psychological warfare to mess with his competitors.
Or he wants it for Nathan's reputation, as proof of his technical dominance (without actually making it part of his regular jump layout)?
I also wonder why Nathan went for it during this practice session.
Maybe it's something he always does on days whenever his 3A feels good, a few tries each time?
Or could be that there's a simple explanation, where attempting a 4A is simply an exercise to help with rotating and stabilising his 3A?
Or he isn't actually working on it (maybe tried it every once in a while whenever he felt a bit crazy, the same way he apparently went for a 4Lz that one time) and has only attempted it here on an impulse, prompted by all the media people asking about it?
Or maybe he's been working on it in secret without Raf
, starting in Yale, and so he waited until he was alone in practice to try it again haha.
Or maybe they're actually working on it on and off, and he decided to attempt a few during practice, to see how they would go in a different environment, with a focus that's different from regular training at home, with the added stress of an upcoming competition on his mind. And if so, I wonder what his attempts look like at home.
Or again, it's all just a ploy to mess with his competition, and the leak was actually planned (certainly messed with my head
).
Personally, I would just wanna see him land it once (for obvious reasons) in a sanctioned competition, and then discard it and focus on a more reliable and comfortable layout (and that's assuming he's actually working on it).
Not sure why Nathan would be seriously working on it, given how risky jumping a 4A in competition is, never mind the relatively low reward in terms of points. And the strength and focus needed for it, taking away from all the other jumps/elements in a program, and the risk for potential injury.
Unless it's during a less important competition (i.e. every competition that isn't the Olympics) and he has a big lead after the SP, then I could see how he might wanna go for it, for prestige reasons and as a personal goal of having landed each type of quad successfully in competition.
He certainly doesn't need it, but maybe they feel that he might need it come Olympics, so they wanna be prepared, just in case?
But no way will it be ready, consistent and tried & tested enough for the Olympics, so I'm not too sure this is part of Raf's strategy. Unless
this is just an elaborate ploy by Raf, a type of psychological warfare to mess with his competitors.
Or he wants it for Nathan's reputation, as proof of his technical dominance (without actually making it part of his regular jump layout)?
I also wonder why Nathan went for it during this practice session.
Maybe it's something he always does on days whenever his 3A feels good, a few tries each time?
Or could be that there's a simple explanation, where attempting a 4A is simply an exercise to help with rotating and stabilising his 3A?
Or he isn't actually working on it (maybe tried it every once in a while whenever he felt a bit crazy, the same way he apparently went for a 4Lz that one time) and has only attempted it here on an impulse, prompted by all the media people asking about it?
Or maybe he's been working on it in secret without Raf
, starting in Yale, and so he waited until he was alone in practice to try it again haha.Or maybe they're actually working on it on and off, and he decided to attempt a few during practice, to see how they would go in a different environment, with a focus that's different from regular training at home, with the added stress of an upcoming competition on his mind. And if so, I wonder what his attempts look like at home.
Or again, it's all just a ploy to mess with his competition, and the leak was actually planned (certainly messed with my head
).Personally, I would just wanna see him land it once (for obvious reasons) in a sanctioned competition, and then discard it and focus on a more reliable and comfortable layout (and that's assuming he's actually working on it).
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Oh is that all? That's tame from that camp.
You'd wonder where the obsession and dedication was when Aliev was attempting his 4A. This is why I always consider the bunch the real super Nathan fans. They are way more into Nathan than any of us ever are or will.
(Sorry. I'm just super bitter today. So tolerance on anti-nathan anything is on an all time low.)
Personally, I don't see the downside of him trying a 4A except getting an injury. I also don't know how serious Nathan is about using one in competition, and think it's getting slightly blown out if proportion.
But wow, I never thought I'd see this day. We went from nail biting at every 3A attempt to oh man he might be the first to land a 4A! in such a short amount of time. Lol.
I don’t think it has anything to do with messing with his competitions.
They are athletes. The significance of an all quad program is it’s impact on the sport, even more than an Olympic gold. It’ll be the highest technical standard and it will be measured against for years to come, if not forever.
They are athletes. The significance of an all quad program is it’s impact on the sport, even more than an Olympic gold. It’ll be the highest technical standard and it will be measured against for years to come, if not forever.
I doubt if Nathan has any clue of what kind of storm he started with his 4A attempts.
Our world champion of good looks is calmly promoting in his IG story the current issue of Skating Magazine with his buddies Kait and JLB on the cover
On Twitter, thanks to aboutNathan
BTW, with the start of competition season, his IG followers go up again. Wondering how many are Yuzu fans.
Shine, I so admire your courage to visit that website. It is scary for me to even think of that
BTW2, don’t get me started with that Italian commentator guy, he is not only mean and full of bias against Nathan, he is a sexist to begin with, with bullying comments against Alysa and other girls all the time. He would have serious boycott in US with remarks like that
Our world champion of good looks is calmly promoting in his IG story the current issue of Skating Magazine with his buddies Kait and JLB on the cover
On Twitter, thanks to aboutNathan
BTW, with the start of competition season, his IG followers go up again. Wondering how many are Yuzu fans.
Shine, I so admire your courage to visit that website. It is scary for me to even think of that
BTW2, don’t get me started with that Italian commentator guy, he is not only mean and full of bias against Nathan, he is a sexist to begin with, with bullying comments against Alysa and other girls all the time. He would have serious boycott in US with remarks like that
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Doubt it's about getting in anyone's head. Kolyada, who has competed against him, said the atmosphere around Chen is very positive. More likely it's about using every training opportunity there is. There's always risk of another lockdown. Why should he have to pass up on a training opportunity because someone might be watching or filming?
Don't love the 4A, but athletes need something to chase. If he got the quad loop back already, understandable that he will want to chase something else.
Don't love the 4A, but athletes need something to chase. If he got the quad loop back already, understandable that he will want to chase something else.
Of course it is, he's adorable and from what I can tell (without ever having met him ofc) very friendly and laid-back.
Doesn't mean Raf doesn't want his competition (or the skating community) to get a certain impression.
A hip injury would most likely be an over-use injury, sth. like a labral tear f.i. which apparently many skaters end up with, and that would be a cumulative effect of all the jumps that he's practising, even with some being harder on the hips than others.
I was more thinking of possible injury to the right ankle from a bad landing on a downgraded or under-rotated jump, and that's definitely more of a possibility and a more frequent occurrence when attempting a 4A.
Nathan is in the first story of US Figure skating
sheetz, how do you get the link to every individual story？
4A battle meme. Some comment is already concerned about Nathan if he lands it first.
Some comments from that Yuzu fan’s 4A IG post are really delusional.
As to ankle injuries, I read from some discussions on Edge that UR jumps would also cause great harm to the ankles
sheetz, how do you get the link to every individual story？
4A battle meme. Some comment is already concerned about Nathan if he lands it first.
Some comments from that Yuzu fan’s 4A IG post are really delusional.
As to ankle injuries, I read from some discussions on Edge that UR jumps would also cause great harm to the ankles
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You mean the one who said Nathan could "complain again" (wth??) about the BV of quads and "make" the ISU increase the BV of the 4A? That one was hilarious. Yeah I'm sure Nathan is a real Karen, always asking to speak to the 'ISU manager'.
A girl at my rink broke her foot on a bad landing when she was learning the 2A. Going up in revolutions on a jump is really scary.
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All the jumps (especially quad) are dangerous to the body. That’s true. However, I think Nathan gets some lessons through past seasons how to prevent the injury and maintain his body in good shape. Still very scary about 4A ( I am the person who feel scary when Nathan going for 3A haha) but I think he can handle it well.
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I think if anything, the fact that he attempted the 4A before the team event showed his confidence with this jump. Being a rational and responsible person , he wouldn't take the risk of taking himself as well as his teammates out by trying crazy things that he's not familiar with, unsupervised no less.
I suspect he started training the jump after he reunited with Raf, as I just can't imagine him throwing the 4A around in that Yale rink by himself (plus he admitted to be not even landing the 4Lo last season)
I also suspect that it's part of Raf/his team's strategy to make sure that he can readily up his game in case Yuzu or some up-and-coming guys figure out their 4A. So he attempted this jump in that practice session either just to keep up with his planned training regimen, or he was feeling particularly inspired to do some axels that day. This being a psychological ploy seems very unlikely to me, as we know his favorite psychological ploy is to land all the jumps without letting anyone know that he was even thinking about it
He is really aggressive with his tech this season. I do hope he take good care of his body.
, he wouldn't take the risk of taking himself as well as his teammates out by trying crazy things that he's not familiar with, unsupervised no less.I suspect he started training the jump after he reunited with Raf, as I just can't imagine him throwing the 4A around in that Yale rink by himself (plus he admitted to be not even landing the 4Lo last season)
I also suspect that it's part of Raf/his team's strategy to make sure that he can readily up his game in case Yuzu or some up-and-coming guys figure out their 4A. So he attempted this jump in that practice session either just to keep up with his planned training regimen, or he was feeling particularly inspired to do some axels that day. This being a psychological ploy seems very unlikely to me, as we know his favorite psychological ploy is to land all the jumps without letting anyone know that he was even thinking about itHe is really aggressive with his tech this season. I do hope he take good care of his body.
I actually think he must be pretty close if he's attempting it in an open practice session with so many onlookers.
Nathan describing a favorite photo on his smartphone.
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