Now that it's official, can Michelle win the OGM?

[Kathy]

and maybe the rumours of her injury "being worse than people thought" were exagerrated by her camp to get her out of nats cause she was in no shape to compete and would have probably finish off the podium just a thought?

Oh good grief - her camp didn't spread those rumors.:banging:

 

[mzheng]

and maybe the rumours of her injury "being worse than people thought" were exagerrated by her camp to get her out of nats cause she was in no shape to compete and would have probably finish off the podium just a thought?

Why would her Camp do that? They can just come out annouce it. After all was "the what the ppl thought" was exactly what Camp Kawn announced?...On the opposite it was rummored by some coach (I know you read at FSU, you know where it was from. ) to create the difficult for her petition or what....Thought beside the you'd do your logical thinking better. My mistake.

 

[millie]

OK.
And I agree you with Canadian judges, they are one of those judges group tend to hold up their own skaters bluntly.

I have to at that comment. Canadian judges tend to hold up their own. What about the American judges, talk about holding up their own. Look at the high marks that were given at U.S. Nationals last year compared to what the skaters got at Worlds. Now that's what called holding up.

 

[mzheng]

I have to at that comment. Canadian judges tend to hold up their own. What about the American judges, talk about holding up their own. Look at the high marks that were given at U.S. Nationals last year compared to what the skaters got at Worlds. Now that's what called holding up.

I'm talking about international competetion, where judges panels are consisted with different Nationality judges. In this case you can do cross comparision with diff judge against the diff skaters with diff contries.

IMO, National judging not withstanding. OK. Any country Nationals tend to give big send off marks to their National champion. There is no secret.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

In that case, who does? I'm not even going to get into this thing of predicting. Instead I try to figure out the CHANCES of each person winning.

everyone who posts makes a prediction on who will win. They are not afraid to be wrong. You play it safe by not predicting anyone. It's ok.

Joe

 

[Tonichelle]

I'm talking about international competetion, where judges panels are consisted with different Nationality judges. In this case you can do cross comparision with diff judge against the diff skaters with diff contries.

IMO, National judging not withstanding. OK. Any country Nationals tend to give big send off marks to their National champion. There is no secret.

all judges are biased and "hold up" their own country... not just North American...

 

[VIETgrlTerifa]

all judges are biased and "hold up" their own country... not just North American...

That is what Mzheng said...read the last line.

 

[mzheng]

all judges are biased and "hold up" their own country... not just North American...

Well, yes when the competetion is close, they gave the node to their own skaters.....But when the competetion not even close, canadian judges and russian judges tend to bluntly hold up their own skaters. I diddn't say North American, my impression US international judges are not so bluntly.....I noticed this when back traditional 6.0 system where the judge's score show with their name.

 

[Amber11]

YES. MK can win

I do not believe MK will ask for a bye and not believe she can win. If she did not have a chance, I doubt she would go and embarrass herself. I do believe she can win it.

 

[R.D.]

everyone who posts makes a prediction on who will win. They are not afraid to be wrong. You play it safe by not predicting anyone. It's ok.

Joe

I've only been "around here" four years, and at the end of the first I learned something big- that the majority of competitions out there are unpredictable, and predictions are basically pointless (fun to read, though). I find it odd that you're saying this, though, because I believe you took a similar position to mine a while back. (besides, you're constantly saying "this is not a prediction thread").

P.S. If anyone other than Irina wins (the Olys), I'll consider it an upset.

 

[R.D.]

I do not believe MK will ask for a bye and not believe she can win. If she did not have a chance, I doubt she would go and embarrass herself. I do believe she can win it.

She said herself that she thought she could win. Now, is she being realistic or is she biased? Of course, given that she herself is Michelle, a little of the latter is understandable. One does have to stay optimistic, though, if one hopes to pull it off, and on that page, I think MK is on the right track.

P.S. Welcome to the forum, BTW- I see that this is your first posting:agree:

 

[millie]

Well, yes when the competetion is close, they gave the node to their own skaters.....But when the competetion not even close, canadian judges and russian judges tend to bluntly hold up their own skaters. I diddn't say North American, my impression US international judges are not so bluntly.....I noticed this when back traditional 6.0 system where the judge's score show with their name.

That's bull-hit, Do you think that if one of the U.S. skaters was even close to winning a medal that theU.S. international judges wouldn't bluntly hold up their own skaters. Why keep harping on Canada as if they were giving out marks freely and holding their skaters up. Have you any factual information to prove that this is true? Canada won't take any chances with regard to judging scandals after what happened at Salt Lake.

By the way, back when the traditional 6.0 system the american judges were accused of handing then out like candy.

 

[rob43]

Handing out candy at a Naional Championship is one thing since order was really what mattered in determining medals- but doing so at int'l comps is a nother thing entirely.

I believe Mzhengs ost was that propping your own skater up when its close was almost expected but doing so when there was a definite diference was another.

And I too believe MK can win but realistically she needs some luck and some help from the other ladies to do so. Specifically I think Irina will have to take herself out of gold medal contention as opposed to someone taking it from her.

 

[ladysarahchatto]

As Slutskaya herself said 'It's ice. Ice is slippery'. Anything can happen but I think a relatively clean Slutskaya will win the gold-they really seem to be setting up to crown her. I'm not happy about it but oh well. I think the fight is going to be for silver and I think like in 2002 the actual winner is going to need at least one 3/3. Sarah Hughes had two in her program. I wish it weren't just a jumping contest but it seems to be at times they are holding up the jumpers with dreadful form.

 

[mzheng]

That's bull-hit, Do you think that if one of the U.S. skaters was even close to winning a medal that theU.S. international judges wouldn't bluntly hold up their own skaters. Why keep harping on Canada as if they were giving out marks freely and holding their skaters up. Have you any factual information to prove that this is true? Canada won't take any chances with regard to judging scandals after what happened at Salt Lake.

By the way, back when the traditional 6.0 system the american judges were accused of handing then out like candy.

Read my post, OK, millie. If competetion is close, every country judges tends to hold up their own skater involved.....I'm not just keep harping on Canada, Russia judges are another country I mentioned.....It was always wuzrobbed Canadian skaters at Olympics. There was Brian Oser, there was Evis Stoic, there was S/P...sorry I couldn't back wards more of it......

One of the factuals, Vash already gave in his/her post. That in SLC SP, Canadian judge put S/P over B/S, if you don't think it is bluntly hold up their own skater I don't know what was.

Oh yeah, there was that Canadian judges supposedly blew the wistle of cheating judge, then she herself got suspended. How unfair. But as an old chinese saying goes " the flys never stink/stick an egg without cracks" something to think about it hm.

US judges hand them out like candy is at Nationals. OK? Then again Russian nationals also hand out 6.0 like candy....6.0 all are relative score.

 

[mzheng]

As Slutskaya herself said 'It's ice. Ice is slippery'. Anything can happen but I think a relatively clean Slutskaya will win the gold-they really seem to be setting up to crown her. I'm not happy about it but oh well. I think the fight is going to be for silver and I think like in 2002 the actual winner is going to need at least one 3/3. Sarah Hughes had two in her program. I wish it weren't just a jumping contest but it seems to be at times they are holding up the jumpers with dreadful form.

Yeah, I agree.

Irina is favorate this time around, Sasha is a close second. Rest of them have a shot. Michelle is among them....3/3 definitely will be a factor, since a clean skates with a 3/3 seems will help prop up your PCS scores as well.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

P.S. If anyone other than Irina wins (the Olys), I'll consider it an upset.

Bravo! Now you're talking.

btw - My dislike of predictions is based on my belief especially at the time you were all for predictions, was that posters just predicted their favorite without serious considering others. There seems to me to have changed somewhat nowadays.

Joe

 

[R.D.]

Well, if people picked their favorites it wouldn't be a "prediction" any more, would it? It would just simply be a "hope". One has to distinguish between a hope and a prediction, because IMO they're different. It's up to the poster though to make it clear.

 

[kyla2]

Imo

Well my hope is that Michelle wins the OGM, but my prediction is that Irina or Sasha will win it. As long as it is deserved, I will have absolutely no complaints about the outcome. I will be really happy if Michelle can skate 2 beautiful programs she can be proud of. I am just happy she is going for now.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

Well, if people picked their favorites it wouldn't be a "prediction" any more, would it? It would just simply be a "hope". One has to distinguish between a hope and a prediction, because IMO they're different. It's up to the poster though to make it clear.

Ya gottit. That's what I was arguing 4 years ago.