Papadakis and Cizeron: "It was difficult"

[Manitou]

But I can't understand why the collar couldn't have been made with a secure fastening without really affecting the look of the dress,

Even hemp rope would be better than what would potentially happen, plus the distraction, discomfort and possibly losing the gold.

 

[Osmond4gold]

Of course. That glide is unmatched, the knee bend is crazy, there is never ANY snow (which the judges hate so much... usually), they are so quiet on the ice, yet the edges are big and deep. Like I said in another post : This is the Rumba pattern this year, it's practically a gift for them. The seamlessness that everyone (including V/M) is talking about, it does play a huge part in that SS score.

Hard to be seamless when your seamless, Anyasnake. This mishap affected both the PCS and the remainder of the skate, imo.

 

[Anyasnake]

Hard to be seamless when your seamless, Anyasnake. This mishap affected both the PCS and the remainder of the skate, imo.

It did affect PE and IN. As it should.
Not so much the rest... have you rewatched it without paying attention to it ? Because it was clearly not the disaster some are displaying :think: Plus PCS aside, strong elements (barring twizzles - and frankly let's stop acting like that was the worst set anyone produced ever), held them up a lot.

 

[Osmond4gold]

It did affect PE and IN. As it should.
Not so much the rest... have you rewatched it without paying attention to it ? Because it was clearly not the disaster some are displaying :think: Plus PCS aside, strong elements (barring twizzles - and frankly let's stop acting like that was the worst set anyone produced ever), held them up a lot.

Perhaps not the worst case of being held, but held nonetheless. And why would I ever put PCS aside, as that was my argument in the first place!

I respect you and your opinions as you know Anyasnake, but this debate b/t us is getting sidetracked.

 

[TerpsichoreFS]

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[LaArdilla]

Ahem, when I was reading all that backlash I was thinking, gosh, how many PCS DID Gaby and Guillaume get? Like, 5 more or something? Then I look up the protocols and the difference between P/C and V/M is 0.08. Yes, should be slightly lower in Performance and Interpretation, but you know what? If I were a judge and saw a young woman in danger of flashing everybody in the arena and in front of TVs performing LIKE THAT I would go with the PCS as well. So impressive. I'm not a skater, but did lots of theatre in the past (disasters like that happened all the time) and the performer in me was highly impressed.

0.08 you guys. I will leave it here.

 

[Barb]

Ahem, when I was reading all that backlash I was thinking, gosh, how many PCS DID Gaby and Guillaume get? Like, 5 more or something? Then I look up the protocols and the difference between P/C and V/M is 0.08. Yes, should be slightly lower in Performance and Interpretation, but you know what? If I were a judge and saw a young woman in danger of flashing everybody in the arena and in front of TVs performing LIKE THAT I would go with the PCS as well. So impressive. I'm not a skater, but did lots of theatre in the past (disasters like that happened all the time) and the performer in me was highly impressed.

0.08 you guys. I will leave it here.

oh yes, it would be great if judges give higher points to injured skaters because to skate injured is so impressive or even more impressive than to skate with a dress malfunction.

 

[VenusHalley]

THey did well despite the mishap. Which was really unfortunate.

This year's skating seems to be cursed in this way. It's like the third instance of costume mishap.

 

[ladyjane]

Sorry if I hit a nerve Jane, but to be fair, do you honestly feel that PC deserved higher PCS than the rest of the field?

You did hit a nerve for a bit, but my main issue really is the whole conspiracy thing going on in ID. Personal taste gets so mixed up with the actual skates, and I've seen so many odd posts on here (not just this specific thread) regarding the judging as if there's a whole thing going on to deny V/M the gold whatever the cost. And in that sense to me, it would be just as bad if it were the other way round. A bit inhibiting to join in...so perhaps yours just triggered me to post something. Don't get me wrong, I for one never thought anything of the bracelet thing either. But to come back to your question: on the whole I thought the judging was quite fair. V/M did better but not so much as to warrant a distance of 3 or 4 points in total whether that's due to PCS or otherwise. To me the sheer kudos to continue when such a nasty mishap happens, is also worth something. The couples are really very close, even though my preference is for the French. I also though S/S and D/H were close - and the judging rather reflected that despite the placements. And I prefer the Shibs!

 

[Osmond4gold]

You did hit a nerve for a bit, but my main issue really is the whole conspiracy thing going on in ID. Personal taste gets so mixed up with the actual skates, and I've seen so many odd posts on here (not just this specific thread) regarding the judging as if there's a whole thing going on to deny V/M the gold whatever the cost. And in that sense to me, it would be just as bad if it were the other way round. A bit inhibiting to join in...so perhaps yours just triggered me to post something. Don't get me wrong, I for one never thought anything of the bracelet thing either. But to come back to your question: on the whole I thought the judging was quite fair. V/M did better but not so much as to warrant a distance of 3 or 4 points in total whether that's due to PCS or otherwise. To me the sheer kudos to continue when such a nasty mishap happens, is also worth something. The couples are really very close, even though my preference is for the French. I also though S/S and D/H were close - and the judging rather reflected that despite the placements. And I prefer the Shibs!

They did well despite the mishaps, and I respect this French team for their efforts. Didier, I do not! It has already been proven that he will do anything it takes to ensure his federations success, irrespective of performance. How this man is allowed to remain in the sport I will never know.

When I see a performance that was imperfect in many ways, yet still ends up being scored the best in a certain category, it does cause me pause for concern, given the subjectivity of the sport and his history of deal making.

 

[ladyjane]

Haha...I'll agree on creepy Didier. Worse even than one of our Dutch speed skating Coaches in Sochi (big scandal over here currently because of an intended deal that thankfully didn't go through). I suppose my original nerve was hit because of your remark linking P/C (French though they may be) with Didiers schemes. They would be horrified! That's what felt so wrong about the remark to me. It must be awful to have such a person as the main representative of your country. I suspect it does work in encouraging conspiracy theories.

 

[synteis]

Yes in SS, CO and TR
NO in PE and IN
That's what happenned by the way
(Sorry I'm not Jane :scratch3

Their PE was 9.81, their IN was 9.89 while SS and TE were 9.71. A slew of judges gave 10s on PE and IN. I understand the sympathy but I just can't agree that that matched what I saw on the ice. I know that PE and IN are easier to get higher and they were in second in both PE and IN. But those 10s still sit badly with me.

ETA: Just a few more 9.75s and I'd be happy. I don't think they should have gotten like 7s because it was still a good performance even if it (understandably!) doesn't match some of the ones they've given earlier this year. Their feet in particular stayed really, really strong. I definitely thought their SSs should be first and they RH is deeply impressive.

 

[Tavi...]

They did well despite the mishaps, and I respect this French team for their efforts. Didier, I do not! It has already been proven that he will do anything it takes to ensure his federations success, irrespective of performance. How this man is allowed to remain in the sport I will never know.

When I see a performance that was imperfect in many ways, yet still ends up being scored the best in a certain category, it does cause me pause for concern, given the subjectivity of the sport and his history of deal making.

You know, as someone who only watches ice dance casually and occasionally, I’m a little perplexed.

V/M are in first with a world record score.

It seems to me that if the French federation were going to engineer a P/C victory, why bother putting them ahead in PCS after the short dance by .08 - eight hundredths of a point - and behind overall by nearly 2 full points? There are easier ways to be unscrupulous, after all.

 

[karne]

Unsurprised but still disgusted by the amount of victim-blaming going on in this thread...you know, sometimes you just get unlucky. It sounds like Gabriella did the best she could to prevent it, and it still happened.

As to the results, I have no issue with them as they are now. I am still hoping for P/C to come back and win this thing today. I really want them to.

 

[fenway3]

They just gave them the same marks they would have given them otherwise. :dev2:

Were you actually expecting them to watch what happened on the ice? C'mon, let's be reasonable here.

 

[Manitou]

... It sounds like Gabriella did the best she could to prevent it...

If she had done it then it wouldn't have happened. You cannot avoid bad luck, but with your professionalism and experience you can minimize its probability.

 

[GGFan]

Were you actually expecting them to watch what happened on the ice? C'mon, let's be reasonable here.

Thank you for having a sense of humor about this. I laid out my concerns but I don't think there was some horrible injustice done. I'm getting uncomfortable with some of the exchanges here. Looking forward to tonight:

1. Whichever team wins I will be fine. They both bring wonderful qualities to the ice.

2. We watch a judged sport that has always been full of controversy. People will always speculate. That is not evil.

3. You can feel both feel bad for Gabby and think the judging was a little wonky.

4. No one knows what was going on in the minds of the judges.

 

[RobinA]

Gosh, what a lot of outrage over a costume malfunction. Stuff happens. It's unfortunate, but she handled it very well. I'm sure there was some action somebody could have taken to make it not happen, but they didn't and scores were lower and a young lady was embarrassed as a result. Sometime around 1996ish I was at Skate America and Sophie Moniotte skated an entire program exposed from the waist up. I swear she didn't even flinch and made no effort to save the day except to skate a damn good program with no evidence of distraction. Takes a lot of will to hold it together under those circumstances and I commend anyone who is able. I don't understand the need to blame. No one is the worse except the people it happened to.

 

[zanadude]

All figure skating and ice dancing competitors should be compelled to wear standardized uniforms, like gymnastics. That would take the inherent unfairness of costumes, which have nothing to do with athletic prowess, out of the equation.

 

[GrandmaCC]

NHK is doing a trial 8K broadcast. We may have to go to them for the official word.

Edit: Upon further review, no need for the 8K, it was definitely out and about.

That actually wasn’t the “nip slip” I was talking about - believe it or not, I watched P&C without noticing anything!! Possibly due to it being streamed on my phone.
The one I was getting quizzes on was an OAR team who had a crystal pattern alignment which just highlighted the region lol.

Ok so I did read an article about how Madison’s mom makes her outfits, and it mentioned that they need to allow for the upper body movement, expression, and footwork without restricting anything or inhibiting performance.

Granted, dance does require that, but don’t single ladies use their upper bodies? And they certainly do footwork.
So I really can’t figure out why such a heavy costume would be purposely designed to hang by a thread.
I even worry about Alina’s red tutu, only secured by two straps either side....