Plushenko: "What is happening is absurd."

[anonymoose_au]

A fan doesn't have to go all in on defending their fave, but if they do, then they need to be prepared for criticism -

Maybe not, but I feel I have to because so many posters here immediately jump to the worst conclusions about Plushenko. It seems no matter what he does if there's a negative spin you can give it, it will be given.

Like he can't genuinely believe Sasha or Liza (it was the scores Kamila and Daria got when competing with her he objected to first) deserve better marks it's just him inflating his own ego.

Or he didn't become a coach because he genuinely loves skating and wants to work with talented skaters he's only doing it to stay relevant and because he's an egomaniac.

He posted a really nice moment of him and Mishin talking during Rostelecom with a caption that I thought was about how he can still depend on his coach even thought he's no longer a student but when I looked at the comments there was a flood of people immediately accusing him of saying he thinks he's already better than Mishin and how dare he!

I admit I'm probably too lenient, but it just seems like everyone else is too harsh. I'm fully convinced there's a huge percentage of people on this board who if they found out Plushy donated millions to starving children or saved stray puppies and kittens in his free time would still find a way to make it sound horrible. It's like he's not even a real person to them just some kind of Disney villain.

 

[Anoosheh]

Sorry, but I cannot assess your statements as objective and impartial. Sorry, no way.
Let me try to put my thoughts in order.
Camila: She's definitely fast. Her plastic movements are pleasant and expressive. The number of movements per unit of time is very large. This is a plus for her. Now, if all these movements had a connection with music and served to create an image and its interpretation, I would applaud her while standing. Unfortunately, there is practically no connection. I can offer you an experiment. "Balero" is easy to remember. The tempo of the music does not change. Now try turning off the sound and watching Camila without sound, starting from any arbitrary moment in the program. I haven't been able to find a connection with music in my head in most of my attempts.
Anna: she expresses music with the movements of her hands, body. Face. But it's better not to look at your feet. But here it was about skating skills in the first place. You have expressed admiration for her initial movements. Now take a look at her legs and skates at this moment. Except for the second loop, it has a flat rib everywhere. I will say that I appreciated your words that not all of Anna's steps in the step sequence were perfect here. Very diplomatically said, considering Anna SS's assessment of 9.75. There was no control in the step sequence, and there were a few "imperfect" steps. But this is all nonsense. Nobody paid attention. Loose knees and a lot of jumps are not worth remembering at all.
Sasha: I can hardly be impartial. Therefore, I agree with you on everything. I note that she does not claim to be the Queen of the PCS here. I just don't see this difference in skating, which is in the competition protocols. 10 points for two programs is a very big difference. She just isn't here.

You make it sound like pcs=skating skills, and (deliberately?) ignore the fact that there are 4 other categories in pcs.
Even IF (that's an IF with capital letters) Sasha had better skating skills than Anna and Kamila, her pcs would still be justified because she's still behind in all other categories of pcs.
I've seen so many skaters getting higher and higher PCS and GOEs without even making any improvements. And people here are complaining about Anna's?!!
Anna's skating has improved a looot this season, it's like she's a completely different skater. And I'm not just talking about her expressions and artistry. Her skating skills, speed and jumps have all improved. I don't know what her secret is, but she's matured 5 years in the span of 1 year.

By the way, I double checked the scores. Anna got 9.57 for skating skills in her FS this year. Last year at European championships 5 judges gave her the score of 9 or higher for skating skills and she got the overall score of 8.93. With the improvements she's made this season It's only natural for her score to increase. Is she overscored in skating skills? Maybe but so is everyone else including Sasha.

Is she overscored in PE and IN? No. Anna has has very unique musicality. She understands the ups and downs of a piece of music so well and has the ability to convey those feelings, not just through her face but her whole body. She is the only skater that transforms and transcends with the very first note of the music and stays there until the last note. While others try to skate to the music, Anna becomes one with the music. She deserves every single point she's received in PE and IN.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

If you see posts I've made about her this forum, you will see I'm a huge fan of Trusova, but I don't think her partnership with Plushenko will help her catch up to Anna/Kamila for reasons stated. And no matter how good she is or isn't, I do not condone Plushenko's baseless remarks.

I said Trusova needs to step up her execution on her jumps, or add more quads - ideally both. She needs more flow and extension on the landings for higher GOE. Valieva needs to work on her posture (she's a bit hunchy for me). Shcherbackova is pretty much close to full package in my opinion. Some of her jumps are a bit off kilter, and sometimes her spins lose their centring but she's got good vehicles as programs. She's not Kostornaia level, but she's maxing out what she's capable of. Trusova still has room for improvement that she's capable of and would be better off making improvements to earn higher marks instead of hoping that Plu stirring the pot will somehow benefit her.

Agree with the respective areas of improvement the three of them need to make. However, it's a bit too early to decide for certain whether Sasha's coaching move pays off or not. I don't think her move was motivated by the hope of getting a reputation boost (the opposite is more plausible judging from historical trends), Plushenko's controversial media remarks are more of an unfortunate side effect.

There are other objective reasons why her move made sense. Ignoring for a minute that Plushenko heads the academy - it seems to have abundant ice time, few close competitors to Sasha (besides Kostornaia) and a high coach-student ratio (Rozanov, Mikhailov, Volkov and others spread out the supervision load). The coaches' backgrounds are fairly spread between skating skills and jumps, with a fair number of ice dancers on the roster. Tutberidze and Gleikhengauz are dancers too, but together with Dudakov teach a single elite group (there is a younger/weaker group too, not sure who coaches them). There are 3 major groups in AoP with top skaters evenly distributed between them, which makes it easier to move around and find coaches that suit (or just take extra lessons with certain coaches).

Basically I'm guessing that Mishin group's style =/= AoP's style(s) so the same tendencies for neglecting transition/choreo/skating skills might not hold true for the latter (certainly doesn't seem the case looking at younger kids like Sarnovsky or Muravieva). And that the skaters coming out of AoP in future won't skate exactly like Plushenko (apart from a hip-wiggle tribute here and there). AoP doesn't have the competitive track record that Tutberidze's team does, but it does offer the possibility of more individual attention and tailoring of training to suit personal preferences, at least for its top students.

 

[sinus]

There are other objective reasons why her move made sense. Ignoring for a minute that Plushenko heads the academy - it seems to have abundant ice time, few close competitors to Sasha (besides Kostornaia) and a high coach-student ratio (Rozanov, Mikhailov, Volkov and others spread out the supervision load). The coaches' backgrounds are fairly spread between skating skills and jumps, with a fair number of ice dancers on the roster. Tutberidze and Gleikhengauz are dancers too, but together with Dudakov teach a single elite group (there is a younger/weaker group too, not sure who coaches them). There are 3 major groups in AoP with top skaters evenly distributed between them, which makes it easier to move around and find coaches that suit (or just take extra lessons with certain coaches).

I see you are pretty much ignorant about coaching situation in both schools, so all your speculations are just meaningless. Trusova would never be coached by Volkov or Rozanov, Kostornaia will never be coached by Mikhailov or Volkov, ice dancer like Illinykh is more of celebrity than coach, Trusova trains skating skills outside of the Plushenko Academy with coach Denis Samokhin. Younger group in Khrustalny is coached by Polina Tsurskaya and former Eteri's students Punin and Pohilyuk.

 

[anonymoose_au]

I see you are pretty much ignorant about coaching situation in both schools, so all your speculations are just meaningless. Trusova would never be coached by Volkov or Rozanov, Kostornaia will never be coached by Mikhailov or Volkov, ice dancer like Illinykh is more of celebrity than coach, Trusova trains skating skills outside of the Plushenko Academy with coach Denis Samokhin. Younger group in Khrustalny is coached by Polina Tsurskaya and former Eteri's students Punin and Pohilyuk.

You do realise Volkov was Sasha's original coach, before she went to Eteri's?

And I think Dmitri Mikhailov is doing amazingly well, Sasha has praised him already.

Sasha also trained with an outside coach while at Sambo so trying to use that as a reason to belittle Plushenko's school fails.

How do people think great coaches are made? They don't jump out onto the ice fully formed they need to work at it. Why shouldn't Dima M have such a chance? Someone gave Eteri that chance once, back in the beginning. Or do you think she just magically appeared at Sambo like some sort of coaching fairy godmother?

By the way Elena and Yulia L used to travel around teaching classes to students, it's not as if they have no experience whatsoever. But of course only fakes and frauds go to Plushenko's school am I right?

Oddly enough I bet if any of these people went to blessed Sambo 70 there'd be much excitement and everyone would be wishing them the best and wanting to see what they did next. Going to Plushenko's school....well you might as well go to Hell.

 

[Amei]

Agree with the respective areas of improvement the three of them need to make. However, it's a bit too early to decide for certain whether Sasha's coaching move pays off or not. I don't think her move was motivated by the hope of getting a reputation boost (the opposite is more plausible judging from historical trends), Plushenko's controversial media remarks are more of an unfortunate side effect.

I thought when it was Trusova alone moving to Plushenko that it would benefit her because the Fed not potentially wanting their main team and their europeans/worlds/olympic teams to be under 1 coach because that would give that coach too much power.

You do realise Volkov was Sasha's original coach, before she went to Eteri's?

And I think Dmitri Mikhailov is doing amazingly well, Sasha has praised him already.

Sasha also trained with an outside coach while at Sambo so trying to use that as a reason to belittle Plushenko's school fails.

How do people think great coaches are made? They don't jump out onto the ice fully formed they need to work at it. Why shouldn't Dima M have such a chance? Someone gave Eteri that chance once, back in the beginning. Or do you think she just magically appeared at Sambo like some sort of coaching fairy godmother?

By the way Elena and Yulia L used to travel around teaching classes to students. But if course only fakes and frauds go to Plushenko's school am I right?

Oddly enough I bet if any of these coaches went to blessed Sambo 70 there'd be much excitement and everyone would be wishing them the best and wanting to see what they did next.

My only comment towards the coaching moves was in regards to Lipnitskaia, by all accounts the media pressure/attention that she got after the team event negatively impacted her and she's seemed to try and keep herself a quiet/private existence, Plushenko seems to relish in the media spotlight. To each their own, but it seemed like Lipnitskaia might be getting herself thrust back into media drama that seemed to be a source of her problems when she competed. I remember when it was announced that Lipnitskaia was coaching at Plushenko's school and it wasn't anything about her ability to contribute to the athletes, but 'was a slight to Eteri that Lipnitskaia went to her rival coach'

 

[sinus]

You do realise Volkov was Sasha's original coach, before she went to Eteri's?

If course I do. That's why she never wanted to train with him again. Volkov's group is pretty much separate division of Plushenko Academy, he has absolutely nothing to do wuth Trusova, Kostornaia or Zhilina, and never will.

 

[anonymoose_au]

I remember when it was announced that Lipnitskaia was coaching at Plushenko's school and it wasn't anything about her ability to contribute to the athletes, but 'was a slight to Eteri that Lipnitskaia went to her rival coach'

Exactly what I was talking about, if Julia had decided to work with Eteri it would have been fine, although considering how their student-coach relationship ended this seems insane to me.

And how was it a slight? Is Sambo 70 "Hotel California" or something? It seems so to me. The same people who call for Liza T or Liza N or any ladies skater with a hint of promise to dump their coaches (many of whom have trained them for years) and run to Eteri are the same ones who can't accept the idea that others might want to leave Eteri for their own reasons.

First there was Sasha, who's suddenly doomed to do nothing but jump despite the notable fact she did that the whole time she was with Eteri.

Then Sergei R, once hailed the Prince of Coaches and swooned over is suddenly a no talented, greedy idiot for leaving the hallowed halls of Sambo. People now doubt he had anything to do with helping Aliona get her 3A at all.

Aliona herself, once the most beautiful and expressive skater in the world is now a joke with ugly costumes and uglier hair and "Why is she skating to Billie Ellish?" like she wasn't going to do that if she stayed at Sambo anyway.

Who knows why they left Sambo, most people seem to think Plushy bribed them, because of course nobody could ever EVER be unhappy at Sambo 70.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Maybe not, but I feel I have to because so many posters here immediately jump to the worst conclusions about Plushenko. It seems no matter what he does if there's a negative spin you can give it, it will be given.

Like he can't genuinely believe Sasha or Liza (it was the scores Kamila and Daria got when competing with her he objected to first) deserve better marks it's just him inflating his own ego.

Or he didn't become a coach because he genuinely loves skating and wants to work with talented skaters he's only doing it to stay relevant and because he's an egomaniac.

He posted a really nice moment of him and Mishin talking during Rostelecom with a caption that I thought was about how he can still depend on his coach even thought he's no longer a student but when I looked at the comments there was a flood of people immediately accusing him of saying he thinks he's already better than Mishin and how dare he!

I admit I'm probably too lenient, but it just seems like everyone else is too harsh. I'm fully convinced there's a huge percentage of people on this board who if they found out Plushy donated millions to starving children or saved stray puppies and kittens in his free time would still find a way to make it sound horrible. It's like he's not even a real person to them just some kind of Disney villain.

Why would we consider that horrible? It’s great if he does those things. But that doesn’t make him devoid of criticism for his other actions. Especially since it affects the careers of skaters, not just his own.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I see you are pretty much ignorant about coaching situation in both schools, so all your speculations are just meaningless. Trusova would never be coached by Volkov or Rozanov, Kostornaia will never be coached by Mikhailov or Volkov, ice dancer like Illinykh is more of celebrity than coach, Trusova trains skating skills outside of the Plushenko Academy with coach Denis Samokhin. Younger group in Khrustalny is coached by Polina Tsurskaya and former Eteri's students Punin and Pohilyuk.

Who coaches the younger group in Khrustalny is irrelevant. The fact is they only have one senior group there, so although Tutberidze/Gleikhengauz/Dudakov are very competent, the coach:student ratio is lower and if anyone in the senior group hypothetically would prefer a coach other than Gleikhengauz/Dudakov they cannot do that without leaving Tutberidze and the club.

In AoP there are 3 main training groups (Volkov, Rozanov, Mikhailov are the main heads of these groups, plus some others assist, such as Sergei Alexeev, Svetlana Biyan and now apparently Yulia Lipnitskaya). They usually train separately, but to say that a skater in one group will *never* move to another group is incorrect. Shulskaya was in Rozanov's group but has been seen in Mikhailov's group, though I'm unsure if that's a permanent arrangement. The Zhilina sisters were in Rozanov's group but now with their mum Alferova (and seen sharing ice with Mikhailov's group occasionally, although not being coached by him). Obviously, Sasha had some alterations to her coaching arrangement too since it went from Rozanov (rumoured) --> Mikhailov + Ilinykh --> Mikhailov + Alexeev. You are correct in that Volkov's group has more autonomy than the other 3 main groups, but being in the same club means that a skater could transfer outside the window without administrative hassle. A bit like if someone were to transfer from Buianova to Sokolovskaya within CSKA.

In Khrustalny, the younger skaters (or those doing worse who get shifted there, like Panenkova did before she quit) train separately from the better skaters. If I remember correctly, Alferova now coaches most of the very young skaters (e.g. 6 year olds) besides her daughters, so hers would be analogous to the Tsurskaya/Punin/Pohlyuk group. The V, M, R groups cover skaters of novice/junior/senior age (e.g. novice Titova, junior Sarnovsky, senior Trusova in M group). All three are equivalent to the older-age group in Khrustalny.

Trusova stopped training outside with Samokhin sometime in the latter half of last year after her coaching arrangement stabilised. Anonymoose is correct - apparently the external lessons with Samokhin were started while she was still in Khrustalny. According to interviews she now does skating skills with Mikhailov. Mikhailov got his ice dance foundations in Svinin/Zhuk's group and then assisted younger dancers while training with Rubleva/Shefer's team (he trained singles before than under Inna Goncharenko in the same group as Radionova and Samarin, and can use a harness), so he's a fairly well-rounded albeit young coach. Khrustalny could probably do all these things too, but since Sasha started commuting to Balashikha for extra skating skills while still training there, I guess their resources were stretched too thin to accommodate any supplementary training requests themselves. That illustrates the entire point of my post.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

TL;DR - don't let the personal fight between the heads of these schools colour your opinion of the coaches underneath them. Both school have more similarities than differences, which are mainly in resources (manpower and infrastructure).

 

[flanker]

Who coaches the younger group in Khrustalny is irrelevant. The fact is they only have one senior group there, so although Tutberidze/Gleikhengauz/Dudakov are very competent, the coach:student ratio is lower and if anyone in the senior group hypothetically would prefer a coach other than Gleikhengauz/Dudakov they cannot do that without leaving Tutberidze and the club.

In AoP there are 3 main training groups (Volkov, Rozanov, Mikhailov are the main heads of these groups, plus some others assist, such as Sergei Alexeev, Svetlana Biyan and now apparently Yulia Lipnitskaya). They usually train separately, but to say that a skater in one group will *never* move to another group is incorrect. Shulskaya was in Rozanov's group but has been seen in Mikhailov's group, though I'm unsure if that's a permanent arrangement. The Zhilina sisters were in Rozanov's group but now with their mum Alferova (and seen sharing ice with Mikhailov's group occasionally, although not being coached by him). Obviously, Sasha had some alterations to her coaching arrangement too since it went from Rozanov (rumoured) --> Mikhailov + Ilinykh --> Mikhailov + Alexeev. You are correct in that Volkov's group has more autonomy than the other 3 main groups, but being in the same club means that a skater could transfer outside the window without administrative hassle. A bit like if someone were to transfer from Buianova to Sokolovskaya within CSKA.

In Khrustalny, the younger skaters (or those doing worse who get shifted there, like Panenkova did before she quit) train separately from the better skaters. If I remember correctly, Alferova now coaches most of the very young skaters (e.g. 6 year olds) besides her daughters, so hers would be analogous to the Tsurskaya/Punin/Pohlyuk group. The V, M, R groups cover skaters of novice/junior/senior age (e.g. novice Titova, junior Sarnovsky, senior Trusova in M group). All three are equivalent to the older-age group in Khrustalny.

Trusova stopped training outside with Samokhin sometime in the latter half of last year after her coaching arrangement stabilised. Anonymoose is correct - apparently the external lessons with Samokhin were started while she was still in Khrustalny. According to interviews she now does skating skills with Mikhailov. Mikhailov got his ice dance foundations in Svinin/Zhuk's group and then assisted younger dancers while training with Rubleva/Shefer's team (he trained singles before than under Inna Goncharenko in the same group as Radionova and Samarin, and can use a harness), so he's a fairly well-rounded albeit young coach. Khrustalny could probably do all these things too, but since Sasha started commuting to Balashikha for extra skating skills while still training there, I guess their resources were stretched too thin to accommodate any supplementary training requests themselves. That illustrates the entire point of my post.

Technical note. Don't forget that Eteri isn't the head of Khrustalnyi, they are one of the coaching teams in Khrustalnyi (though the most significant one that outshines the other teams). There is Tsareva's team, Bulycheva's team, the ice dance teams formally on the same level not submitted to the "troika" and there is another ice rink that belongs to Sambo as well. So on the paper Eteri's position is more like the position of one of the teams you've mentioned than Plushenko's own postition. Settling another team within Khrutalnyi that would be submitted to Eteri but with "alternative" coaches would require to change the organization of the Sambo club.

 

[sinus]

They usually train separately, but to say that a skater in one group will *never* move to another group is incorrect.

Don't twist my words. I didn't say "a skater" will never move to another group. I said specifically Trusova will never move to Rozanov or Volkov, and specifically Kostornaia will never move to Volkov or Mikhailov.

 

[nussnacker]

high coach-student ratio (Rozanov, Mikhailov, Volkov and others spread out the supervision load).

I think having a lot of coaches is definitely an advantage. Though, I am a bit worried that the staff aside from Volkov‘s group and Veronika’s mum, is REALLY young, and while having a big coaching staff is good, having a large portion of that staff consisting of young and inexperienced coaches is a little concerning to me.
Mikhailov is only 22 (!), he retired from competitive skating only LAST year (2019) and he’s working with Sasha pretty much one on one.
She’s very much one of the contenders for an Olympic Gold, and she’s in the hands of someone very young and inexperienced. I’m really hoping he has a very big talent in coaching, because this seems like a task that is beyond his capabilities.
Iliynykh although with some experience of doing training camps, is only 26 I believe (?)
Even out of more experienced coaches, Sergej R. only became a full time coach in 2017 or 18? That’s really not that much, being honest.
So the big responsibility here is really in the hands of Plushenko himself, who would guide and teach and help his coaching staff, while being the main coach. Though Plushenko himself also hasn’t been coaching for that long either, from what his fans wrote here he’s been at it for 3 years himself.

Everyone likes to give an example of Brian, who hit the ground running with Yuna. But IMO this was an exception, not the rule.

So the differences between coaching teams, you were referring to being rather small, are actually quite big in my opinion.

 

[Magill]

Don't twist my words. I didn't say "a skater" will never move to another group. I said specifically Trusova will never move to Rozanov or Volkov, and specifically Kostornaia will never move to Volkov or Mikhailov.

Probably they won't but that's only because they don't want to and not because it is not allowed as a rule. If the girls decide they want to go back to train together with the same coach, I don't see Plushenko saying a big "no, no" to them. In fact, for all we know, Sasha started to approach Michailov for advice while still training with Rozanov and that's how she decided to switch coaching groups. So this is exactly what have happened and how they arrived at where they are now.

 

[macy]

I think having a lot of coaches is definitely an advantage. Though, I am a bit worried that the staff aside from Volkov‘s group and Veronika’s mum, is REALLY young, and while having a big coaching staff is good, having a large portion of that staff consisting of young and inexperienced coaches is a little concerning to me.
Mikhailov is only 22 (!), he retired from competitive skating only LAST year (2019) and he’s working with Sasha pretty much one on one.
She’s very much one of the contenders for an Olympic Gold, and she’s in the hands of someone very young and inexperienced. I’m really hoping he has a very big talent in coaching, because this seems like a task that is beyond his capabilities.
Iliynykh although with some experience of doing training camps, is only 26 I believe (?)
Even out of more experienced coaches, Sergej R. only became a full time coach in 2017 or 18? That’s really not that much, being honest.
So the big responsibility here is really in the hands of Plushenko himself, who would guide and teach and help his coaching staff, while being the main coach. Though Plushenko himself also hasn’t been coaching for that long either, from what his fans wrote here he’s been at it for 3 years himself.

Everyone likes to give an example of Brian, who hit the ground running with Yuna. But IMO this was an exception, not the rule.

So the differences between coaching teams, you were referring to being rather small, are actually quite big in my opinion.

in all fairness we could all say the same thing about Adam coaching Mariah. He's young, had been only retired about a year before coaching her, and he's knocked it out of the ballpark.

 

[nussnacker]

in all fairness we could all say the same thing about Adam coaching Mariah. He's young, had been only retired about a year before coaching her, and he's knocked it out of the ballpark.

Well, but she’s still coached by Raf though, and Adam was more of a side help? From that interview I remember she worked with him for 2 weeks everyday at a champs camp, and then he would go about his life, and visit her only 3-4 times a month, then only met her few weeks before nationals.
Adam surely had a great influence on her in terms of work ethics, which greatly helped her consistency, but I wouldn’t consider him her full-time coach. I think he mainly shared some things in terms of preparation, which he developed for himself when he was skating, and from what he said, he’s not even intending to be a coach at this point.

 

[anonymoose_au]

Bringing this back to the topic at hand, absurd judging, this article was published today

Судья Сергей Чемоданов: «Люди не знают, за что ставятся оценки. Есть таблица, за что ставят надбавки и снижения – большинство обывателей ее не читали»

Тренер и секретарь Коллегии судей Федерации фигурного катания России ( ФФКР ) Сергей Чемоданов рассказал об особенностях судейской работы в фигурном катании.

m.sports.ru

I took much interest in this comment by the judge:

- I still have to ask you about the Lutz at the Russian Championship. Here is a video made from the broadcasts of Channel One .

- This picture is not very interesting to me. You need to watch from the camera for the technical team. Decisions are made based on a different perspective. And you perfectly understand that depending on where the lutz is located on the rink, you can get a different rating. Somewhere the rib is better visible, somewhere worse.

So basically what this guy is saying is that if you can't do the edge properly, don't bother working on it, just stick the jump as far away as you can from the judges and you'll get off scott-free!

Sure hope Team Angel reads this and strategically positions Sasha's flips from now on. Apparently Eteri and her team did this with Zhenya's Lutzes...(no points for guessing how much abuse Plushy would get hurled his way if he admitted to practically cheating in this manner).

Not to mention the first part of the judge's comment "this picture is not very interesting to me" The guy is given clear evidence of a "!" call and it doesn't interest him? Elements being awarded correctly doesn't interest him?

Maybe you're all right Plushy should have kept his mouth shut and let these guys incriminate themselves.

Except...I have a strong suspicion that this interview wouldn't have happened without his comments.

So who's the bad guy now?

 

[CrazyKittenLady]

This guy is apparently the secretary of the Panel of Judges of the Russian Figure Skating Federation, whatever authority that position entails. In any case, the interview is a joke and does not make the Panel of Judges appear in a very professional light.
Could someone fluent in Russian please translate the following: "Можно вообще ввести название прыжка по ребру отрыва. Внутреннее - флип, внешнее - лутц. И катись, прыгай, что хочешь." First he is saying inside edge is F, outside is Lz, but in the next sentence he's saying you can jump them however you want? I don't get it (probably the language barrier though)...

At 2020 Europeans we had the seats directly behind the Technical Panel and I had a really great view of their screens and their work while reviewing jumps. If anyone's interested, I can share some observations I made tomorrow, only now I'm off to bed.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Bringing this back to the topic at hand, absurd judging, this article was published today

Судья Сергей Чемоданов: «Люди не знают, за что ставятся оценки. Есть таблица, за что ставят надбавки и снижения – большинство обывателей ее не читали»

Тренер и секретарь Коллегии судей Федерации фигурного катания России ( ФФКР ) Сергей Чемоданов рассказал об особенностях судейской работы в фигурном катании.

m.sports.ru

I took much interest in this comment by the judge:



So basically what this guy is saying is that if you can't do the edge properly, don't bother working on it, just stick the jump as far away as you can from the judges and you'll get off scott-free!

Sure hope Team Angel reads this and strategically positions Sasha's flips from now on. Apparently Eteri and her team did this with Zhenya's Lutzes...(no points for guessing how much abuse Plushy would get hurled his way if he admitted to practically cheating in this manner).

Not to mention the first part of the judge's comment "this picture is not very interesting to me" The guy is given clear evidence of a "!" call and it doesn't interest him? Elements being awarded correctly doesn't interest him?

Maybe you're all right Plushy should have kept his mouth shut and let these guys incriminate themselves.

Except...I have a strong suspicion that this interview wouldn't have happened without his comments.

So who's the bad guy now?

She could also, you know, try to improve the edge of her flip too.

I think this person is saying that depending on the camera angle, a jump can look different and the judges assess based on the replay they are given. I don't think they were advocating hiding jumps.

Also, is "not very interesting" the exact translation, or did you (like me) just put it into Google translate? It could mean to say "It doesn't make a particularly compelling case."

The most interesting part of that interview was the mention of them mulling over giving a flip and lutz the same BV and then skaters choose whatever one they want. Kinda like the throw 3F/3Z in pairs.