Scott Moir says its a piss off

[Mrs. P]

He says "gold-medal free dance'. Read it again...I believe he felt they should have won the free dance.

When one refers to "gold medal" anything, athletes refer to an event or an effort that seals a win. Hence, I think one could conclude Moir felt that their free dance should have help seal the win. I see it as that Moir felt their free dance was superior enough to win the entire competition.

Five points is a lot to overtake, but not impossible. After all D/W only needed a .53 lead in the FD to win Worlds and they won by 4 points in the FD. Certainly, I can see that Moir felt their dance was good enough to make up for the gap.

As far as I know they don't offer small medals in the GPF, so there's really no such thing as a "gold-medal free dance."

ETA: Also, this makes sense considering that in past competitions, V/M sealed their wins in PCS. In the Olympics for example, V/M only beat D/W by .3 of a point in TES. But their Olympic win was secured with a two point lead in PCS. Even when D/W won the FD in the 2010 worlds, V/M still beat them in PCS. And D/W's 2011 Worlds win was mostly in TES. The PCS win was by more than a point, but it would make sense that Scott thought that was a one-time thing due to their programs being so relatively new.

Even further back, V/M won the 2008 Worlds FD with a PCS that was nearly six points higher.

So it clearly irks Scott that not only did they lose gold, they could not depend on PCS to close or overtake the gap.

 

[blackswanphoto]

When one refers to "gold medal" anything, athletes refer to an event or an effort that seals a win. Hence, I think one could conclude Moir felt that their free dance should have help seal the win. I see it as that Moir felt their free dance was superior enough to win the entire competition.

Five points is a lot to overtake, but not impossible. After all D/W only needed a .53 lead in the FD to win Worlds and they won by 4 points in the FD. Certainly, I can see that Moir felt their dance was good enough to make up for the gap.

As far as I know they don't offer small medals in the GPF, so there's really no such thing as a "gold-medal free dance."

Right on! People just want to make excuses for Scott's poor behavior.

 

[bellafurr]

And what poor behaviour is that, lol.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

1. Here's the thing - all this "Scott thought his FD was enough to seal the gap" presumes that Scott is an idiot. He sees the score. He doesn't look overwhelmed, certainly, but that's their highest FD score ever. At the same time, he should know that D/W got 107 and 109 at their two GPs. I really do have a hard time believing he truly thinks that, knowing what D/W are capable of, have indeed already done, that he had done enough. Maybe if they scored 117 or something (peak possible score: 123.50). And if he does think like that.... well, that would be disappointing.

2. You know, I don't think what Scott did was classy, but I'm still glad he did it. Not because I want to see drama or the end of Canton's "Peace, love and understanding," but because I've wondered enough if V/M had the fire in them. They mention at the beginning of the off season that they're unsure if they're gonna continue. They've mentioned one thing they've changed to their training regime is more long weekends and the like. They've given the impression it's more about the journey than the destination. I'm glad there's still the spark.

 

[Kwanford Wife]

Oh, boo hoo... I HATE when fans start with the "wuz robbing" but when the athletes do it - I just want to throw something...

Here's a tip: Want to Win? Skate Better. Easy Peezy.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

Yeah, cause the best skates/skaters always win.

 

[Kwanford Wife]

Yeah, cause the best skates/skaters always win.

No, they don't but come on... don't be a sucky, whiny baby because you lost... stay upright during both portions of the program. He really only has his self to blame. Do better at Worlds.

 

[dream__02]

I have not read through every comment of this thread but I think it is safe to say that a lot of people are confusing passion with anger/lack of class. Yes, we are used to seeing them with the same interview over and over saying how great it is to win or be back from injury. The interviews and articles are very refreshing. It shows how badly they want to win and how frustrating it is when they don't skate their best.

When it comes down to it - I see nothing wrong with the reaction and the passion they have for their sport.

 

[DianaSelene]

I have not read through every comment of this thread but I think it is safe to say that a lot of people are confusing passion with anger/lack of class. Yes, we are used to seeing them with the same interview over and over saying how great it is to win or be back from injury. The interviews and articles are very refreshing. It shows how badly they want to win and how frustrating it is when they don't skate their best.

When it comes down to it - I see nothing wrong with the reaction and the passion they have for their sport.

But that is not just passion. It is an attack. You can say, "I congratulate D/W, they were great today but we are determined and want to beat them in the near future and we think our awesome programs will help us do that!"

Or you could say, "It's a piss-off!" There is a difference between passion and rudeness.

 

[dream__02]

But that is not just passion. It is an attack. You can say, "I congratulate D/W, they were great today but we are determined and want to beat them in the near future and we think our awesome programs will help us do that!"

Or you could say, "It's a piss-off!" There is a difference between passion and rudeness.

Well, I would personally like to hear an interview with skaters talking about how they truly feel and what their game plan is than have them sit with fake smiles and tell me everything is okay;

 

[DianaSelene]

Well, I would personally like to hear an interview with skaters talking about how they truly feel and what their game plan is than have them sit with fake smiles and tell me everything is okay;

I think that it's great when a person says what he feels, but it's how you say it. Today, he says this. Tomorrow, he uses cuss words and calls his D/W something bad because their performance absolutely sucked. It's just unprofessional and a person should be aware of it. If Moir obviously wants people to call him a whiny baby and loser, then he will get it with that sort of behavior. In the grand scheme of things, is his comment a big deal? No. But it's not good either and that's what most of the people on this thread are talking about.

 

[Kwanford Wife]

Well, I would personally like to hear an interview with skaters talking about how they truly feel and what their game plan is than have them sit with fake smiles and tell me everything is okay;

Touche... Can't really argue with this, because those interviews are so painful...

 

[Mathman]

^ Nah, we're looking at those namby-pamby "I just want to skate my best" responses in the wrong way. What the skaters are really saying to the media is, "p*ss off with your stupid questions, jerk-face." :yes:

 

[Mrs. P]

1. Here's the thing - all this "Scott thought his FD was enough to seal the gap" presumes that Scott is an idiot. He sees the score. He doesn't look overwhelmed, certainly, but that's their highest FD score ever. At the same time, he should know that D/W got 107 and 109 at their two GPs. I really do have a hard time believing he truly thinks that, knowing what D/W are capable of, have indeed already done, that he had done enough. Maybe if they scored 117 or something (peak possible score: 123.50). And if he does think like that.... well, that would be disappointing.

2. You know, I don't think what Scott did was classy, but I'm still glad he did it. Not because I want to see drama or the end of Canton's "Peace, love and understanding," but because I've wondered enough if V/M had the fire in them. They mention at the beginning of the off season that they're unsure if they're gonna continue. They've mentioned one thing they've changed to their training regime is more long weekends and the like. They've given the impression it's more about the journey than the destination. I'm glad there's still the spark.

But here's the thing (trademark phrase of Imaginary Pogue) -- I don't think Scott is an idiot, nor is it idiotic to think that they could close the gap and pass the gap. I know that 5 points is a lot to overcome in Ice Dance, but as I said it's not impossible and I think if anyone could do it, it's them.

And yes, I'm glad that they still have that spark too. I think there are probably better ways to say it, but I think it's reasonable to say that D/W aren't exactly relaxing either and they know their teammates have a fire under them.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

But here's the thing is totally my phrase, Mrs. P! Phrase-theft!

Nah, I get you. Indeed, knowing what their teammates response is might inspire D/W to push even harder. I'm already over this season anyway, looking forward to next one!

 

[Mrs. P]

But here's the thing is totally my phrase, Mrs. P! Phrase-theft!

Nah, I get you. Indeed, knowing what their teammates response is might inspire D/W to push even harder. I'm already over this season anyway, looking forward to next one!

OK IP, I revised my post to give the proper credit.

Why are you over this season? I still think it's going to be interesting from here on out..

 

[Tonichelle]

Oh, boo hoo... I HATE when fans start with the "wuz robbing" but when the athletes do it - I just want to throw something...

Here's a tip: Want to Win? Skate Better. Easy Peezy.

I really don't know how they could skate BETTER... because they're pretty much tied, IMO.

 

[ImaginaryPogue]

OK IP, I revised my post to give the proper credit.

Why are you over this season? I still think it's going to be interesting from here on out..

I'm a Patrick Chan fan, which means reading the boards gets to be startlingly onerous at times. I'm a Virtue/Moir fan, and I don't think they stand a chance at winning. The pairs story is interesting, true, but I'll only enjoy it with the right ending. The ladies.... well, it's my least favourite discipline in general.

 

[Violet Bliss]

Here's a tip: Want to Win? Skate Better. Easy Peezy.

Isn't that exactly what they intend to do? They are going to study the details (and probably judges' feedback) and make necessary changes to improve their programs. I don't think champions need your tips.

Oh, I guess they need to skate better according to your judgement, not according the rules you so dispise.

 

[prettykeys]

Yes, it's always more fun to convolute and construe in order to politicize an unfiltered impromptu expression of feelings, while ignoring completely the plainly spoken intention and plan of working to improve to up their chances of winning.

It was not wise of Scott to be so un PC and to speak openly of his feelings but I am amazed at how big an opportunity it has offerd people to jump all over him with gleeful condemnation of his character and skating career. I know, I shouldn't be.

Well, I have zero dislike for Scott Moir but I just thought of his words being used by any other skater and it comes out terribly wrong. Like Mathman's examples of using Michelle Kwan or Brian Orser, or my attempt to imagine Evgeny Plushenko or Daisuke Takahashi doing it (which they have not and would not.)

In fact, knowing that you are a big Patrick Chan supporter...you might understand this: I also find it strange and suspect that the some of the same posters who rake Chan over the coals for his off-color comments and write big essays as to why Chan needs to shut his mouth etc., are actually defending Scott Moir for his comments which are 10x worse than anything Chan has said; thinking up a million different possibilities as to why Moir may have a legitimate reason for saying what he did without actually meaning to, about Davis/White? :think:

I ain't bashing, and I'm definitely not looking to bash as I think V/M are a tremendous team, and this stuff will not affect my desired competitive outcomes for them. I'm just saying I am disappointed and that Moir's words are the closest to "unsportsmanlike" I have ever seen in a while. And it's even worse that his training mates were part of the subject.

That's allllllllll.