Shibsib spat

[TontoK]

I do not know if anyone else has seen the training video featuring Alex Shibutani's 10-minute profane and condescending rant at his sister, which appears tailor made to humiliate her. I don't necessarily recommend it.

But I'll say this. He... and by extension this team... has lost a fan. I suppose that intellectually I recognize that a person can be a good athlete or a good artist without being a good human, but seeing it is shocking.

Alex Shibutani is a garbage human being. He deserves universal condemnation.

 

[Sai Bon]

I do not know if anyone else has seen the training video featuring Alex Shibutani's 10-minute profane and condescending rant at his sister, which appears tailor made to humiliate her. I don't necessarily recommend it.

But I'll say this. He... and by extension this team... has lost a fan. I suppose that intellectually I recognize that a person can be a good athlete or a good artist without being a good human, but seeing it is shocking.

Alex Shibutani is a garbage human being. He deserves universal condemnation.

Who on earth posted that?

 

[saine]

Who on earth posted that?

It was originally posted by Dave Lease to his Patreon and leaked out from there to Twitter/X from what I gathered. It was a recording he made from LiveBarn.

 

[Kitt]

Quite a hubbub about it on X/Twitter.

 

[gsk8]

Not a good look, for sure!

Can you imagine altercations that must happen during training with all pair and ice dance teams?

 

[4everchan]

mmmm I cannot watch ten minutes of this but what I am seeing is both of them being angry at each other... she swears at him just as much as he is condescending to her.... so much for selling children books when they both are acting like brats.

but really, the only reason I am posting here is that the most disturbing thing is not that two siblings are arguing like this.. I have seen it a lot . but that the coach isn't shutting this down right at the beginning. She definitely should be an agent of peace here because they are just wasting time and being upset

Finally, I find it very crass that this is published when it's obviously supposed to be a "private argument".

 

[4everchan]

Not a good look, for sure!

Can you imagine altercations that must happen during training with all pair and ice dance teams?

I am sure that there are tons of them... and that should explain some of the many splits we see...

it's harder to split up with a sister/brother though.

 

[gsk8]

 

[Weathergal]

They're with Marina Zoueva, right? I can't tell who the coach is by the boards, but I don't think it's her. Whoever the coach is though...she should be taking more control of the situation. I don't care who's yelling at whom, there's just something in the way he's talking to her that sounds like more than just anger and an argument between partners/co-workers/siblings. It's just really hateful and patronizing and disrespectful. We obviously don't know the whole story, but I'm feeling kind of bad for her here.

 

[Diana Delafield]

Not a good look, for sure!

Can you imagine altercations that must happen during training with all pair and ice dance teams?

Well, not all. I've skated mostly with one partner since we were teenagers, and we're now both grandparents. During the years we lived on opposite sides of the continent, I linked up with, I think, five or six other partners for anywhere from a few months to a couple of years. Never had a major argument with any of them, and then only brief disagreements about choreography or costumes which were easily settled by compromise. Mind you, before I teamed up with anyone, I'd ask around about him a lot. Any hints of a temper, or a big ego, then no, thanks, no tryouts.

 

[humbaba]

I don't think what's happening in this video should be dismissed as a typical flare up between siblings and partners. In the space of this 11 minute clip Alex calls his sister an idiot, a jackass and a f**king b*tch. He relentlessly denigrates her, saying she has a weak mind and does not have the right to question him. Keep in mind that Alex is a 34 year old adult.

I don't think Maia's behavior should be equated with that of Alex. His body language and words are far more aggressive. For those of you speculating about the identity of the "coach", many think the person standing by the rink is their mother.

Alex's behavior is completely unacceptable and should not be normalized. If this truly is considered normal in figure skating then I guess it's true that the sport has a culture of abuse.

 

[4everchan]

For those of you speculating about the identity of the "coach", many think the person standing by the rink is their mother.

OMG

 

[TontoK]

Forget the ice dancing aspect of this. Forget the training environment aspect.

My sister and I are nearing our mid 60's, so sure we've had disagreements. All siblings do.

But NEVER and I mean NOT A SINGLE TIME EVER have I screamed at my sister calling her a "f***ing b**ch with a weak mind." That is the most despicable thing I've ever seen a grown man do to his sister. It is VILE.

You all can continue on with your delusions of America's sweetheart siblings having an off day, along with the children's book glamourizing and all the rest of the USFSA and NBC public relations glowing features. But I'm off that train.

And I hope people are throwing that video up after every single social media post from him and about him until his dying day, so that he can never escape what a shameful excuse for a man he is.

 

[4everchan]

My sister and I are nearing our mid 60's, so sure we've had disagreements. All siblings do.

But NEVER and I mean NOT A SINGLE TIME EVER have I screamed at my sister calling her a "f***ing b**ch with a weak mind." That is the most despicable thing I've ever seen a grown man do to his sister. It is VILE.

You are both blessed. Most of the arguments in my family have ended with very violent comments. I have suffered a lot from it (you can imagine how many times I got the F F words yelled at me). Maybe this is why I am a bit less shocked by it all... However, I do agree it's unacceptable and vile.

At the same time, what I have learned from this personally, is that as siblings, the next day, we were usually "fine". It's not more or less acceptable. But that's how it would work out.

However, it was "private" something that was dealt within ourselves.

I feel that the person who posted this video is even more vile. If I were witnessing such a fight, no matter whom it would be, I wouldn't post it online... moreover, I would stop filming it. It says a lot about the person who kept filming and then posted it.

 

[TontoK]

Sorry, my friend @4everchan The problem isn't the person who captured the video (I think it was from a livestream).

The problem is Alex Shibutani. He's the problem.

Maybe Maia will forgive him. That's up to her.

But there are many fans/activists who are even this very minute mapping out plans to attend their competitions and ruin his day. If you're not plugged into the X figure skating world, I don't think you can realize how angry people are.

 

[4everchan]

Sorry, my friend @4everchan The problem isn't the person who captured the video (I think it was from a livestream).

The problem is Alex Shibutani. He's the problem.

Maybe Maia will forgive him. That's up to her.

But there are many fans/activists who are even this very minute mapping out plans to attend their competitions and ruin his day. If you're not plugged into the X figure skating world, I don't think you can realize how angry people are.

I am certainly not plugged into X... I hear your words. I understand your point of view.

 

[Karoltyna]

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I'm still amazed he made it out of the ice alive...

 

[YuBluByMe]

I didn’t watch the entire video, but to be perfectly honest, I’m judging the person who recorded and posted the video a hell of a lot more than I’m judging Shibutani. I don’t believe for a second that it was posted out of any genuine concern.

The brother is the more aggressive one, but sister definitely got some verbal lashes in too. They both seem extremely immature to me.

The fights I had with my own brother growing up (and my mother especially) will absolutely put this to shame. I’m sure the outside world would have many cents to put in if these fights were recorded and posted for everyone to see.

 

[Karoltyna]

You are both blessed. Most of the arguments in my family have ended with very violent comments. I have suffered a lot from it (you can imagine how many times I got the F F words yelled at me). Maybe this is why I am a bit less shocked by it all... However, I do agree it's unacceptable and vile.

At the same time, what I have learned from this personally, is that as siblings, the next day, we were usually "fine". It's not more or less acceptable. But that's how it would work out.

However, it was "private" something that was dealt within ourselves.

I feel that the person who posted this video is even more vile. If I were witnessing such a fight, no matter whom it would be, I wouldn't post it online... moreover, I would stop filming it. It says a lot about the person who kept filming and then posted it.

They were in public space with security cameras on, there is no such thing like privacy in this circumstances. If he couldn't restrain himself knowing where he is, it says a lot about him.

BTW very sorry for what happened to you. I have similar experience - with former partner, who behaved like Alex. It wasn't ever about what I did (I could do literally anything, including spilling the milk or forgetting to buy something moderately important and needed), it was all about him and his mental unstability. I took time for me to heal.

 

[Karoltyna]

I didn’t watch the entire video, but to be perfectly honest, I’m judging the person who recorded and posted the video a hell of a lot more than I’m judging Shibutani. I don’t believe for a second that it was posted out of any genuine concern.

The brother is the more aggressive one, but sister definitely got some verbal lashes in too. They both seem extremely immature to me.

The fights I had with my own brother growing up (and my mother especially) will absolutely put this to shame. I’m sure the outside world would have many cents to put in if these fights were recorded and posted for everyone to see.

Here we go again. Without larger context we don't know if Maia is a victim here, but general remark is that the victim doesn't have to be "perfect" to be the victim. When attacked, they are allowed to respond, even harshly, even mimicking the assaulter. They can have many personal flaws, it doesn't explain or justify them being attacked. Their behaviour can be less than perfect, but they are still victims.

Can you really tell that your reception of this video would be different if Maia just stood there with her head down, uttering only weak "please stop" or something like this or maybe cried quietly? Would she be more victim-like to you?