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As for the CBC version the kind uploader post Kurt's comments in the comment area. Which was the thing I looked for a week and I'm thankful for that lol.
But I felt confusing again, does rotate earlier before take off equal to cheated jumps? Because the tech panel did review his 4F but they didn't call under rotation on that jump.
 
As for the CBC version the kind uploader post Kurt's comments in the comment area. Which was the thing I looked for a week and I'm thankful for that lol.
But I felt confusing again, does rotate earlier before take off equal to cheated jumps? Because the tech panel did review his 4F but they didn't call under rotation on that jump.

I don't get where this "Cheated Jumps" nonsense comes from. There is no rule that says you cannot pre-rotate. And even all the commenters who comment on it, don't seem to think that the jumps are "cheated" (gosh how do I hate that term). The judges, they obviously don't think so either. Honestly, the comments on that CBC video....*rollseyes*
Yuzuru, Boyang, Chen, Fernandez and Chan are all taller and have a very different body type. Shoma has to work with what he has. He cannot jump like them, but uses his smaller, muscular frame and soft knees to make it work. Is that wrong or cheating? No, it's taking what you have and working with it to be succesful in the sport you love and practiced since you were a small child.
 
As for the CBC version the kind uploader post Kurt's comments in the comment area. Which was the thing I looked for a week and I'm thankful for that lol.
But I felt confusing again, does rotate earlier before take off equal to cheated jumps? Because the tech panel did review his 4F but they didn't call under rotation on that jump.

Shoma's jump technique is less than perfect, and he would be the first to admit that. It is not his team's forte, and that is why they have sent him to work with others who are known as jump specialists--Anthony Liu and more recently Alex Ouriashev. Not too sure about Kurt's comments. I think doing rolling 3's before the quad toes gives even more of the appearance of cheated jumps. His haters are having a great old time over in The Edge. You can read it in Men Who Flutz and How Judges Place GOE.

He hates the lutz and has laughingly said in press conferences "I will NOT be trying the 4Lz". I think he probably plays with it out of boredom...I'd have to check again, but I think his 4T, 4T-2T, and 3 jump combo were all done within the last minute of the FS. That in itself is pretty incredible, just in terms of stamina. That he is turning 270% on the ice, I don't buy that.

His knees? They take a beating, and no one can tell me the other guys aren't in the same position. Kurt mentions a meniscus injury which is a very common knee injury even among non-skaters. I sat next to a former ice dancer at Worlds. He said his body hurts everyday, and he didn't have to jump. He said these guys will all be a wreck when their careers are over and confirmed what I've always said -- having stellar technique doesn't exempt you from injury...One of Shoma's main competitors with his wonky landings will be lucky if he has an ankle left. And a huge amount of snow flies every time this guy lands. So I wonder why we never hear about that. I'm assuming the main reason is that he is not currently a threat to he-who-shall-not-be-named.

Bottom line, I didn't see anyone who even came close to Shoma's musicality, interpretation, step sequences, spins, expressiveness at Worlds.. But I'm used to him not getting credit for that stuff in the eyes of many...I look forward to Shoma working with Alex again and can't wait to see his progress. Last time he was there they spent the majority of the time working on jumps and most likely will again. I think Shoma does plyometrics now too which should help him on height and explosiveness for his jumps.

Sorry this got so long. I'm a great lover of tenacity, determination, and hard work. I guess that's part of why I like Shoma. And I probably haven't answered your question at all. :drama:
 
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Page 16 on technical handbook.

I only read something about underrotation on that page. And still it has nothing to do with "cheating". If you do it wrong, the judges will mark it and you get less points. It's there for everyone to see, you're never as exposed as in figure skating. You simply cannot cheat your way to a Silver Medal at Worlds. It's impossible.
 
I only read something about underrotation on that page. And still it has nothing to do with "cheating". If you do it wrong, the judges will mark it and you get less points. It's there for everyone to see, you're never as exposed as in figure skating. You simply cannot cheat your way to a Silver Medal at Worlds. It's impossible.

I guess you are looking at wrong file? It's on Technical Panel Handbook (2016/17 version, last updated on 24.07.2016, maybe it's page 15 and not 16, anyway it's there), one of official ISU rulebook used for judging (and one that everybody who wants to discuss about technical things should at least read and know fully).

Anyway, I'll quote it for you:
Cheated take-off: A clear forward (backward for Axel type jump) take-off will be considered as a downgraded jump.

"Cheated" is how ISU calls it. And my comment - regardless of Uno's technique and habits on take-off - is just to point out that your statement about "I don't get where this "Cheated Jumps" nonsense comes from. There is no rule that says you cannot pre-rotate." is factually wrong.

The rule is there and the wording is there.
 
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I think it is true that Shoma does pre rotate some of his jumps, but as you notice in Kurt's commentary on CBC, he does not give any opinion on it, just states a fact which we can all see. Kurt really likes Shoma, you can tell that from his commentary throughout the season. That being said, like mentioned by others, he is working very hard on technique and it will improve.

Shoma's long program is my favourite this year. When I first heard the wailing woman I disliked the music, but it still held my attention for being a brave choice for a teenager.. As soon as competition started I began to love it. The music has highs and lows, softness, and drama and he took the time to listen to those differences and interpreted each part perfectly. No rushing through the slow interpretive parts... ie the spread eagles with the head rolls.... he just followed the music and expressed it perfectly. I do think his expression and interpretation were the best this season. I really wonder what he will do next year...
 
Ah, no..I was on the correct handbook, it's on page 15...I see. Okay, I stand corrected. To be honest - I find that wording strange still, but if the ISU sees it that way, then that's it, I guess. I apologize, I was wrong.
 
Cheated take-off: A clear forward (backward for Axel type jump) take-off will be considered as a downgraded jump.

But I don't see clear forward (or backward for axel) take-off from Shoma...

And I heard that when checking whether a take-off is cheated or not, judges should review the take off using regular speed motion so as to spot a CLEAR forward.
 
Message from shoma on his official fan page.

http://www.shoma-uno.com/info#350

Hi this is shoma, thank you for worlds. This season I could have a variety of experiences from beginning to end, and I could make use of them at worlds in the end, which is satisfactory.
The last worlds left me a regrettable result, and I have kept training, bearing the thought for the one year.
“This year, I shall not be hard on myself too much, but shall have fun and end with smile.!”
As a result, when I realized it, the Worlds was over and the fun time passed away too fast. More than that I could end it with smile, which made me delighted.
Further, the fight with the top skaters had a high level, and I really come to feel that I should get more skills.
I want to keep challenging, concentrating on what I should do before me and caring about injury!
Your all supports always push my back. Thank you very much.
I shall keep it up and devote myself for next step. Further, I will do my best at WTT as well.
Thank you for your continuous supports.
 
Shoma's jump technique is less than perfect, and he would be the first to admit that. It is not his team's forte, and that is why they have sent him to work with others who are known as jump specialists--Anthony Liu and more recently Alex Ouriashev. Not too sure about Kurt's comments. I think doing rolling 3's before the quad toes gives even more of the appearance of cheated jumps. His haters are having a great old time over in The Edge. You can read it in Men Who Flutz and How Judges Place GOE.

Shoma got a break last year because he finished 7th.... people attacked other skaters.... friends, be ready for a rough ride to the Olympics as fans of Shoma, we gotta have thick skin ... i have years of experience as a Patrick fan ;) so all I will say, is that your love should be stronger than their hate and just push the negative energy away.

Regarding Shoma's technique : it's not true that he has bad technique on all jumps. Some of his jumps are just gorgeous. Kurt likes Shoma's skating. He has commented several of his programs. What he is saying in general is that Shoma is very patient to find his landings... and that's a huge quality. However, in order to manage, he often absorbs a whole lot of weigh on his landing knee, and there is also a twerk that can happen on the ice when that happens. I can see it, we call all see it... Some other skaters would be on their butts but Shoma manages to land.


He hates the lutz and has laughingly said in press conferences "I will NOT be trying the 4Lz". I think he probably plays with it out of boredom...I'd have to check again, but I think his 4T, 4T-2T, and 3 jump combo were all done within the last minute ofthe FS. That in itself is pretty incredible, just in terms of stamina. That he is turning 270% on the ice, I don't buy that.

I wouldn't have a problem if Shoma decided not to include the 3lz anymore in his programs. He doesn't need it. And yes, Shoma backloads his combo and that's amazing and risky. WOW!!! Kudos!
His knees? They take a beating, and no one can tell me the other guys aren't in the same position. Kurt mentions a meniscus injury which is a very common knee injury even among non-skaters. I sat next to a former ice dancer at Worlds. He said his body hurts everyday, and he didn't have to jump. He said these guys will all be a wreck when their careers are over and confirmed what I've always said -- having stellar technique doesn't exempt you from injury...One of Shoma's main competitors with his wonky landings will be lucky if he has an ankle left. And a huge amount of snow flies every time this guy lands. So I wonder why we never hear about that. I'm assuming the main reason is that he is not currently a threat to he-who-shall-not-be-named.

I talked to a former skater about this : she said most skaters have issues anyways down the road... some days, she can barely walk herself and she didn't do quads...as a matter of fact, dancers also have it tough... Julie Marcotte, who now is a choreographer, was a junior ice dance champion for Canada. She had major knee issues. However, there are skaters like Patrick who say that they don't want to wreck their bodies and will not train quads as much as some others. Now, what does that mean? Is it okay if a younger guy cannot make these decisions??? I mean, at 19 y o we all think we can do it all, that we are invincible. Working on so many quads is something relatively new and I think that's why Kurt is worried.... these guys used to work on one quad toe... and that was it....


Bottom line, I didn't see anyone who even came close to Shoma's musicality, interpretation, step sequences, spins, expressiveness at Worlds.. But I'm used to him not getting credit for that stuff in the eyes of many...I look forward to Shoma working with Alex again and can't wait to see his progress. Last time he was there they spent the majority of the time working on jumps and most likely will again. I think Shoma does plyometrics now too which should help him on height and explosiveness for his jumps.

i see Patrick ;) muahaha but you are correct that this year's worlds, IMHO aside from Shoma and Patrick, I didn't find many expressive programs out there.
Sorry this got so long. I'm a great lover of tenacity, determination, and hard work. I guess that's part of why I like Shoma. And I probably haven't answered your question at all. :drama:

I told you what happened with me... I saw LOCO at the beginning of the year... hated it very much... .you told me nicely to give it time... i thought that was nice for a fan to open the door to a non-fan ;) Shoma convinced me at 4CC. i never knew he had that in him to project so big, which is required for such a piece. I was surprised he could do tango so well. Now, don't forget to admit that we also like Shoma because he is darn cute ;) I think his ambition is laudable and since he is from the same country as who-shall-not-be-named, he needs to work hard and aim for big. He doesn't disappoint.
 
Thanks for all the replies here, that's actually all I've read---included the handbook, that's why I used the word--- before I ask the question. I have to admit that I just started to try skating recently so I got few knowledge related to jumps, and thanks a lot for the answers!

The thing I'm curious is that, although we couldn't ask him,was it like that he started to turn his body earlier to make sure he could get enough rotations in the air? Like, a preparation move before take off?
While Kurt said that he started to rotate his body before take off, does that mean he actually rotate less in the air, or that does not effect the jump itself?
 
I don't think Shoma has too much of a problem regarding pre rotations. I do agree with Arriba that his jumps are not the best, though. I think if he needs a little prerotation, it's just another way to jump a quad; it's not a problem to the judges. If there are ways for vegetarians to to bake cake without eggs, there should be a way for Shoma to jump quads with the small body he has. (Okay... it might not be the best explanation to compare Shoma with a vegetarian, but oh well:laugh2:) I mean, there can't be one correct way to jump a quad right?:think: It doesn't change the fact that Shoma's 3As are just so amazing!
I've been feeling amused with the new post on his fan page btw, this may be his most enthusiastic post!:laugh: Excited for WTT!!
 
I wouldn't have a problem if Shoma decided not to include the 3lz anymore in his programs. He doesn't need it.


i see Patrick ;) muahaha but you are correct that this year's worlds, IMHO aside from Shoma and Patrick, I didn't find many expressive programs out there.

I'm so glad the Loco program grew on you as the season went on. When I think of how it looked at Lombardia in Sept. and how it looked at Worlds. Whew! No comparison.

I stand corrected. You are right. Patrick had some beautiful skating at Worlds. SO happy for him on his SP. That was a gorgeous skate for him, and he was so happy in the K & C. And that was the program where I said he skated by and all you heard was this faint swish sound of his blades. Very magical.

I want to see how many men do the 3Lz and am gonna take a look at all the men's protocols when I have a minute. I don't get what Shoma's attachment is to that element!...Appreciate your thoughts on the injury topic. It's a little scary, but once the runaway quad train started, I think we all knew there was no stopping it.
 
I have a question about Shoma. Those who closely have followed his career can solve my curiosity. He currently can jump 4F, 4T, and 4Lo, but I'm wondering why he does not go for 4S? He seems to do better at edge jumps than toe jumps, although the current layout is enough to make him competitive.
 
I have a question about Shoma. Those who closely have followed his career can solve my curiosity. He currently can jump 4F, 4T, and 4Lo, but I'm wondering why he does not go for 4S? He seems to do better at edge jumps than toe jumps, although the current layout is enough to make him competitive.

As far as I know he's trained 4S but his success rate with it was less than with the 4Lo so he went for the 4Lo first. Right now, I'm not sure if he's planning on developing his 4S or not, though, since he's talked about how it's worth more to simply train the 4Lz due to the higher BV. But I'm a fairly new fan of FS so I don't know what his 4S history was before this season. He only used to have 4T last season, until he landed that 4F at TCC, right? I'm not aware if he had tried the 4S back then or not.
 
I have a question about Shoma. Those who closely have followed his career can solve my curiosity. He currently can jump 4F, 4T, and 4Lo, but I'm wondering why he does not go for 4S? He seems to do better at edge jumps than toe jumps, although the current layout is enough to make him competitive.

Shoma showed his definite will for 4ltz new season, saying he’d practiced it at EX practice and got an expectation he would get it compared with 4S which he'd practiced until then. This season, shoma at first focused on artistic side like training ballet. However, the sadden change of the tide for layout in the midst of this season made him to practice for more kinds of quads. Of course each skater has their own strategy though, to keep up with the fight among top, it may be true that it’s wise to get another quad. What a hard era!
 
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