So-Youn Park

[Miss Ice]

From my prepared expectations, I agree but I still have lingering feelings on what could've been. hwell: I am wondering why Coach Jung has decided to let her use 3F instead of 3Lz. :think: To be blunt, yes both of those jumps aren't her forte but I do see a relatively higher consistency with her 3Lz than the flip.

I was also really confused as to why she did 3F. Also, those PCS! One of them was even sub-6, what?

 

[andyjo24]

As for the 3F, I think she went for that because there's less of a pause between the jumps and steps, so she won't get minus GOE. Her lutz takes a long time to set up, so there was usually a long pause between the jump and the steps.

 

[Miss Ice]

As for the 3F, I think she went for that because there's less of a pause between the jumps and steps, so she won't get minus GOE. Her lutz takes a long time to set up, so there was usually a long pause between the jump and the steps.

They would give minus GOE for a long entry? Some of Liza's entries can be super long, but that doesn't give her a low GOE. Same with Ashley.

 

[sunnystars]

They would give minus GOE for a long entry? Some of Liza's entries can be super long, but that doesn't give her a low GOE. Same with Ashley.

The jump quality of Liza's such as the height, flow, and exiting form, outweigh the negativity of the long entry. SOOOO I'm rather okay with Liza. On the other hand, I do agree with you on the GOE ***-ness for Ashley's jumps sometimes. But she did get penalized for her mistakes here on the SP event.

 

[s_parks]

The jump quality of Liza's such as the height, flow, and exiting form, outweigh the negativity of the long entry. SOOOO I'm rather okay with Liza. On the other hand, I do agree with you on the GOE ***-ness for Ashley's jumps sometimes. But she did get penalized for her mistakes here on the SP event.

I don't think there's really much flow in Liza's jumps, personally... but anyways, the size, secure landings, and overall quality make up for the entrances (which leave a lot to be desired).

 

[sunnystars]

I don't think there's really much flow in Liza's jumps, personally... but anyways, the size, secure landings, and overall quality make up for the entrances (which leave a lot to be desired).

YMMV on the flow but I concur with the entrances. Would really love for Mishin to address that "issue" but will probably not due to the given scores. hwell:

Well anyway, wishing for Soyoun to just focus on herself and her program in the FS event. I do think the pressure is now more highly concentrated around her after what happened in the SP event. I will still prepare my feeling for anything that can happen but I still believe in her skating well. I think she really just needs the confidence and a push.

 

[MiRé]

SY really needs to land her 3Lo.......I hope she can just skate, not worrying about pressure.

 

[BounceAround]

I only saw part of her program because my screen was freezing, but she has the most beautiful dress and the most beautiful back of all the ladies competing ! I hope she can make the top 12 so that South Korea can keep 2 spots.

 

[Miss Ice]

Her 3Lo was awesome!

Those PCS. Goshdarnit. Seriously?!!?! She got lower PCS than Pogo, who fell flat on her stomach (twice), popped a lutz, and skated from these things on two feet for a good several seconds while giving very unpleasant looks. What the heck?!

That LP deserved a 110+, this is such BS.

 

[sunnystars]

Well isn't the FS event interesting...

Soyoun manages to be in the Top 12

this year's Worlds is quite reminescent of last year's

de ja vu?

 

[Miss Ice]

Well isn't the FS event interesting...

Soyoun manages to be in the Top 12

this year's Worlds is quite reminescent of last year's

de ja vu?

I would have had So Youn at least 10th. Ugh.

Does this mean Korea still has 2 spots for next year? That's good!

 

[sunnystars]

I would have had So Youn at least 10th. Ugh.

Does this mean Korea still has 2 spots for next year? That's good!

Not so sure anymore since France does have Laurine Lecavaliere on their roster.

 

[randomfan]

Not so sure anymore since France does have Laurine Lecavaliere on their roster.

What about China? Zijun was the only one to go to 4CC this year so do they not have another eligible skater?

It's crazy how So Youn actually did better here than 4CC yet she receives lower scores. Her TES should have been at least 58 and her PCS should have at least beaten Alaine and Anna's PCS in the FS. I think it should be around the PCS that Polina got.

 

[andyjo24]

What about China? Zijun was the only one to go to 4CC this year so do they not have another eligible skater?

It's crazy how So Youn actually did better here than 4CC yet she receives lower scores. Her TES should have been at least 58 and her PCS should have at least beaten Alaine and Anna's PCS in the FS. I think it should be around the PCS that Polina got.

Overall, she did better at 4cc IMO because she missed 3lz+2t+2lo and 2a+3t and the last spin here as well as a UR on the flip (That's more points lost than the 3lo fall at 4cc)

But at the same time, her camel spin got lots of +GOE, and she got level 4 for steps!!!!!!! That's some improvement there for sure.

All she needs is consistency. I hope she finds it next season. I'm proud that she saved Korea's 2 spots!

 

[sunnystars]

What about China? Zijun was the only one to go to 4CC this year so do they not have another eligible skater?

It's crazy how So Youn actually did better here than 4CC yet she receives lower scores. Her TES should have been at least 58 and her PCS should have at least beaten Alaine and Anna's PCS in the FS. I think it should be around the PCS that Polina got.

ohh yeah China...uhhmmm probably no. Zhao Ziquan didn't even competed a lot internationally this season and failed to meet the TES reqs. So I guess that does mean 2 spots for SK then :think:

 

[Miss Ice]

Overall, she did better at 4cc IMO because she missed 3lz+2t+2lo and 2a+3t and the last spin here as well as a UR on the flip (That's more points lost than the 3lo fall at 4cc)

But at the same time, her camel spin got lots of +GOE, and she got level 4 for steps!!!!!!! That's some improvement there for sure.

All she needs is consistency. I hope she finds it next season. I'm proud that she saved Korea's 2 spots!

Level 4 for steps is awesome but doesn't quit help the super low PCS. I don't understand why the judges are so bent on giving her such low PCS. Oh wait... politics and money, politics and money. :think:

But, as you guys said, I am also happy she got 2 spots (hopefully!) for SK!

 

[andyjo24]

Level 4 for steps is awesome but doesn't quit help the super low PCS. I don't understand why the judges are so bent on giving her such low PCS. Oh wait... politics and money, politics and money. :think:

But, as you guys said, I am also happy she got 2 spots (hopefully!) for SK!

Unfortunately, yeah. Her PCS is low due to coming from a weak federation.

But at the same time, she was only in the second group, so automatically that deducts many points from PCS. If she had been in the second to last group, she would've gotten near Alaine and Anna for sure (e.g., at SA, she was in the last group, and she got 54 for PCS).

So basically, she really needs to improve her consistency in the SP, which leads to her placement in later groups for the FS, which leads to higher PCS, etc.

She NEEDS consistency.

 

[Meoima]

It's just the first year after the Olympic. She has done enough I think and there's room to get much better. Good Luck to So Youn.

 

[Miss Ice]

Unfortunately, yeah. Her PCS is low due to coming from a weak federation.

But at the same time, she was only in the second group, so automatically that deducts many points from PCS. If she had been in the second to last group, she would've gotten near Alaine and Anna for sure (e.g., at SA, she was in the last group, and she got 54 for PCS).

So basically, she really needs to improve her consistency in the SP, which leads to her placement in later groups for the FS, which leads to higher PCS, etc.

She NEEDS consistency.

That's pretty sad. I agree though, getting put in a later group would definitely make it harder for the judges to give her low PCS, because then it would be more obvious.

So, if she had landed the flip in the SP, her score would have been around 60 still, right? Is her 3S-3T getting less +GOE than it deserves?

 

[andyjo24]

That's pretty sad. I agree though, getting put in a later group would definitely make it harder for the judges to give her low PCS, because then it would be more obvious.

So, if she had landed the flip in the SP, her score would have been around 60 still, right? Is her 3S-3T getting less +GOE than it deserves?

Yes, her score would have been around 60, considering that she would get +GOE on the flip, would avoid the -1 deduction on the fall, and get higher PCS for a clean program. This would have put her in the second to last group, which definitely would have boosted her PCS by a couple of points in the FS.

IMO, her 3S-3T is getting a bit less GOE than it deserves (I would give it +2, but many judges at Worlds gave it only a +1). This, too, is due to her low reputation.

Once again, she needs to work on her mental strength (That should be her top priority. She does not have any technical and artistic problems. It's all in the head for her, as you can see from her clumsy misses in the spins in 4CC and Worlds). Once she gets her mental strength together, she will put together clean SPs, which would lead to better placement in the FS, better PCS scores in the FS, boost her reputation, and so on. It's a positive feedback once she gets it together.