They haven't been undergoing "hundreds of tests"- someone earlier said that figure skating is not as highly tested as swimming. If she was caught with a performance enhancing drug, most likely they figured out the testing schedule to taper down when they give it to her. If the story is true, that she got caught with a trace amount, then they made a mistake in figuring out when it would be eliminated by her system. That's how good doping regimes work, and if the story is true, because right now it is coming out, it is actually good evidence that they may be doping Sasha and Anna as well. Just because they evade testing doesn't mean that they aren't taking it. I like all three skaters, and perhaps Valieva was a new "protoype" for Russia to see how this drug works in a low tested sport and whether they can get away with it. It's definitely not her fault.
Team medals delayed by legal issue
- Thread starter badknees
- Start date
- Status
This entire situation is such a mess, I feel awful for Kamila. I don’t believe for one second that she did this voluntarily or even knew it was happening. My guess is that she just trusted the adults around her and trusted that they had her best interest in mind, as any child would! I cannot even begin to imagine how this is affecting her mentally and I really hope that she’s getting the support she needs.
I feel horrible for Mark, M/G, and S/K too. As far as we know, they haven’t done anything wrong and now they may lose their Olympic gold medals through no fault of their own. I just hope they all realize that any anger or resentment should be directed at the adults in Kamila’s life and not at Kamila herself, because it’s not her fault at all. It’s just an awful situation all around
I feel horrible for Mark, M/G, and S/K too. As far as we know, they haven’t done anything wrong and now they may lose their Olympic gold medals through no fault of their own. I just hope they all realize that any anger or resentment should be directed at the adults in Kamila’s life and not at Kamila herself, because it’s not her fault at all. It’s just an awful situation all around
Wow. Will she even be allowed to compete in the singles now. Also I guess if this is true, the medals will all be shifted down and Russia will lose the team gold. Its a good thing this came out now rather than a month or even a year later. At least the real winner will actually get to go onto the podium and collect their gold medal.
Honestly I am not surprised Eteri skaters doped. Even Maria Sotskova an average Russian who doesnt jump quads used furosemide, a drug to remove water. The Eteri skaters probably use that on a daily basis and then stop using them near competition so as not to be caught. And now they founded micro traces of it in Kamila so maybe they have more sensitive drug testing in Beijing so they found it .
Also I can just imagine how the Russian public will turn against Kamila for making them lose the gold. She might be the darling at the moment but we can see how disposable they are to their federation. Knowing how responsible an adult Eteri is, I have no doubt she will blame this all on the 15 yrs old child.
Honestly I am not surprised Eteri skaters doped. Even Maria Sotskova an average Russian who doesnt jump quads used furosemide, a drug to remove water. The Eteri skaters probably use that on a daily basis and then stop using them near competition so as not to be caught. And now they founded micro traces of it in Kamila so maybe they have more sensitive drug testing in Beijing so they found it .
Also I can just imagine how the Russian public will turn against Kamila for making them lose the gold. She might be the darling at the moment but we can see how disposable they are to their federation. Knowing how responsible an adult Eteri is, I have no doubt she will blame this all on the 15 yrs old child.
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2016
As for the testing frequency, the most frequently tested figure skater last year was Kolyada and it was five times.
Even if it was before the substance was banned, her admitting to taking Meldonium should also be remembered.
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2019
I cannot and will not be mad at Kamila about this. I shudder at how she will be hung out to dry. So much talent and promise. They will bury her.
Plushenko took it as well. They were giving it to the Russian athletes like vitamins before it was banned. Even Sharapova got caught with it.
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2021
Are we just going to pretend that Anna and Sasha aren't also on the same drugs?
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2019
8 months for C/J situation to be resolved; in her case she used her cosmetics for years without the metabolic reaction that mimicked drug use occurring. I know that Bukin was held back last time but never docked, so in his case, the results must have been within method detection limit or something. With trace amounts, lab results are really hard to validate. The modern testing methods are so sensitive that they can get weird hits, plus different humans metabolize differently, so to get stuff out of one’s system may take longer, some chemicals may be retained in fat layer, so if they are cutting before competitions it could be released… with substances, it is not just a question of what and dose, but also when it was administered, that can make a difference for rule breaking vs obeying rules.
Maybe with the specific med she had allegedly taking there are no doubts that it is deliberately taken, and the rate of degradation is carefully studied… at that point I would just rely on the report when it comes out—if it is disclosed, because Kamila is 16. We may never know.
- Joined
- Nov 9, 2009
I feel horrible for Mark, M/G, and S/K too. As far as we know, they haven’t done anything wrong and now they may lose their Olympic gold medals through no fault of their own. I just hope they all realize that any anger or resentment should be directed at the adults in Kamila’s life and not at Kamila herself, because it’s not her fault at all. It’s just an awful situation all around
In these kind of situations so far I haven't seen many Russians blame inwards, if you know what I mean,
so I think Kamila herself will probably get a lot of support at home
This is what I fear. Or they will sacrifice the team doctor for it.
- Joined
- Feb 10, 2018
C'mon, do you remember all that circus with Alina's test four years ago? I think you are going pretty far with such allegations.
- Joined
- Nov 9, 2009
There's no sense in laying the blame on Kamilla, She's 15 years old for christ sake,
But let's not lay all of our support on her either, she is not a lone victim her,
there's an entire field of women who's entire careers took a huge shift over this in the
past few years, inside and outside of Russia, feel sorry for all of them too.
Yes, but what is really amazing is that she got better in the years after she took the (legal) drug. She wasn't doing three triple axels in an event back then.
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2005
Since Valieva competed in team, no substitution would be allowed.
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2019
Yup.
I will be very honest and admit that I was pretty scornful of those who couldn't land or rotate their jumps. Even just a few days ago I was snarky.
Well don't I have a lot of crow to eat!!!!!
- Joined
- Apr 9, 2016
There don't see to be any proper clinical trials proving meldonium actually does anything.
- Joined
- Nov 22, 2009
IMO, Valieva's test result in question would have been made known to her coaching team and to the Russian Skating Federation back when it happened, but not necessarily to Kamila herself, who was probably told "no worries, everything ok". Then a cover-up starts, hoping this could be kept under wraps indefinitely. But somewhere along the way, too many people ended up knowing and somebody tipped off the IOC and/or ISU. When and what the ROC knew. is still unclear. It's possible once knowledge of the failed test got that high, the ROC itself told the ISU/IOC to prevent wider suspicions going beyond figure skating. ROC knows it doesn't have a lot of goodwill in the intl sports community.
- Joined
- Apr 11, 2021
Give Kaetlyn her OGM please.
- Status
Similar threads
