That was the worst SP ever for US women (OG)

[evasorange]

US fed left their skater with the best chance to score high internationally off the team by tinkering with pcs at nationals so I’m not surprised by the results * consistency=great pcs is still the standard and I find it so frustrating. Last night Kaitlyn was clearly the best and yet is 4 points from the lead and 3 from second.”sorry Kaitlyn you were amazing tonight but Alina has had three clean shorts in a row and Evegenia only lost once in two years so we need to give them higher pcs and goes hope you understand” LIKE that’s absurd! What is so hard about judging what is happening on the ice right in front of you instead of what happened at the last competitions!!!

 

[moonvine]

Wasn't Mirai better off going for the jump and falling, as Johnny always says? It looked to me like the triple axel attempt scored higher than a clean double axel.

 

[Interspectator]

I'm really not a fan of Christine's columns. The US ladies weren't expected to do well in this event or in any of the previous events because they've lagged behind the Russian and Japanese skaters for some time now. I don't understand why she felt the need to sensationalize results that weren't entirely unexpected.

I took a peak at her twitter and other articles, they seem to lean towards sensationalized headlines and hand wringing...why is USA not winning??? That sort of thing. I'm sorry I gave it clicks. Never again.

 

[Procrastinator]

Classic Christine Brennan article.

Anyway, this "decline" trope is quite fallacious. This is the deepest field in ladies, ever. The performances of the U.S. ladies here could arguably have qualified at least one of them to the final flight in any previous olympic games. Ashley was quite underwhelming in the short in Sochi and still made it. In 2010, someone like Rachel Flatt easily made it to the final group. In 2006, Meisner and Gedenevashvili were in the final group. Same for pre-IJS games. Everyone in this year's final group actually is capable of medaling tomorrow night. When has that ever been the case in singles at an olympic games? (Same for the men's side at these games).

The U.S. women are at least as good as they were in Sochi and Vancouver, and leagues ahead of where they were in Torino.

 

[Krislite]

Natural jumping talent.

I don't know. The US has had girls with jumping talent even recently (Gold, Chen). Difference is in consistency and competitive mettle.
They seem to cave more easily under the pressure of big international competitions.

Medvedeva doesn't have the best quality jumps by any means, but she executes them so consistently competition after competition.

 

[NanaPat]

Sorry, I was thinking of the final result. I am hopeful all 3 women will be in the top 10. We will see.

Yes, I realized that. I agree with you that the women are being more harshly treated than the men are, for similar results.

The men didn't have an article by Christine Brennen about it, that's why.

I didn't really know whether Christine Brennen had written an article about the men or not. I primarily see Canadian media and what I see here. I'll take it from what you wrote that she didn't.

So why did Christine Brennan write a scathing article about the women and not the men, in similar circumstances?

 

[WineHerUp]

Her piece on why Ashley Wagner failed to make the Olympic team was also an absolute gem to read . Instead of rightfully placing the blame on Ashley, who failed to deliver results all season, Christine chose to blame her competitors and the judges. Her writings tend to be misleading and clickbaity which I'm not a fan of.

 

[Shayuki]

Natural jumping talent.

There is plenty. Karen Chen for example is immensely talented.

In my opinion, the issue is more in the intensity of training, repetitions and coaching. At least for skaters other than Bradie, but she herself isn't someone I consider very talented. But she does seem significantly better coached than Karen Chen at this point in time.

 

[bekalc]

She is Seinfeld's Soup Chef of skating. And given the state of the limited skating careers for Russian ladies at this moment, why would NA adopt same? Who would want to be 18 and done? I don't think the names of Kostner, Asada, Kim, Rochette, Wagner or even Osmond, is the standard Eteri is looking for, nor would she be great at coaching such an elite field in their peak.

I think that is incredibly unfair. Eteri is still very new coach at the top levels but Med has managed puberty just fine. I think her students technique gets better and better. Skaters like Leonova and Turk are still competing in Russia. Russia just has too many good girls.

I think she is clearly doing something right.

I don't think Eteri is wrong. Don't get me wrong parents need to know what's going on to make sure no abuse.

But let the coach be the coach! They are the professional and no what's best now many American kids have shoddy technique cuz Mom and Dad insisted on triples right away.

Rafe just said he thinks Nathan's parents convinced him to change the jump layout.

Can we remember Sasha and the cheesefeat. Tarasova felt she needed to rest up for GPF mom said no and she lost GPF (maybe got sick) Tarasova said I don't need this I'm out.

And really its best for the kids for parents to take a back seat. So that the kids can be just the kids at home. They won't feel like mom and dads love based on result.

The best thing parents can do is hire a great coach who knows what they are doing and let the coach coach.

 

[#1Kerryfan]

Classic Christine Brennan article.

Anyway, this "decline" trope is quite fallacious. This is the deepest field in ladies, ever. The performances of the U.S. ladies here could arguably have qualified at least one of them to the final flight in any previous olympic games. Ashley was quite underwhelming in the short in Sochi and still made it. In 2010, someone like Rachel Flatt easily made it to the final group. In 2006, Meisner and Gedenevashvili were in the final group. Same for pre-IJS games. Everyone in this year's final group actually is capable of medaling tomorrow night. When has that ever been the case in singles at an olympic games? (Same for the men's side at these games).

The U.S. women are at least as good as they were in Sochi and Vancouver, and leagues ahead of where they were in Torino.

Miles better than Torino? Sasha Cohen WON the short...

 

[bekalc]

Actually there is article where Eteri says she encourages parents to come to practice so difference between supportive and interfering.

 

[mrrice]

Miles better than Torino? Sasha Cohen WON the short...

Yeah. I believe that Mirai was 5th after the short and moved up to finish 4th. Rachael Flatt was 5th in the Short and finished 7th. I'd be thrilled if even 1 of our ladies comes in 7th.

Gracie was 4th in Sochi and I don't see any of our ladies matching that. I'm sorry to say this as I had hoped that at least Bradie would have been 6th in the short and finished in 6th place. It would have been thrilling to see her in the final flight. Hopefully things will go better at Worlds.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

Should she be penalized on GOE because of her choreo? I don't think so.

Polina gets good scores on her jumps (mostly +2) when she does them well: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1718/gpjpn2017/data0205.pdf

 

[frida80]

Classic Christine Brennan article.

Anyway, this "decline" trope is quite fallacious. This is the deepest field in ladies, ever. The performances of the U.S. ladies here could arguably have qualified at least one of them to the final flight in any previous olympic games. Ashley was quite underwhelming in the short in Sochi and still made it. In 2010, someone like Rachel Flatt easily made it to the final group. In 2006, Meisner and Gedenevashvili were in the final group. Same for pre-IJS games. Everyone in this year's final group actually is capable of medaling tomorrow night. When has that ever been the case in singles at an olympic games? (Same for the men's side at these games).

The U.S. women are at least as good as they were in Sochi and Vancouver, and leagues ahead of where they were in Torino.

Exactly! More countries have sent out strong contenders! It's not just one Japanese, Russian, Korean and an America with lots more ladies! Even Gracie's best SP couldn't get her in the top three this year. It's sad but great at the same time. I do believe after Bradie has had more experience, she's be able to contended. But I'm definitely not all doom and gloom like Christine.

 

[Tolstoj]

Classic Christine Brennan article.

Anyway, this "decline" trope is quite fallacious. This is the deepest field in ladies, ever. The performances of the U.S. ladies here could arguably have qualified at least one of them to the final flight in any previous olympic games. Ashley was quite underwhelming in the short in Sochi and still made it. In 2010, someone like Rachel Flatt easily made it to the final group. In 2006, Meisner and Gedenevashvili were in the final group. Same for pre-IJS games. Everyone in this year's final group actually is capable of medaling tomorrow night. When has that ever been the case in singles at an olympic games? (Same for the men's side at these games).

The U.S. women are at least as good as they were in Sochi and Vancouver, and leagues ahead of where they were in Torino.

She was amazing, deserved to be in the last group and maybe even underscored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGDLO23nn2I

 

[Mathman]

Rafe just said he thinks Nathan's parents convinced him to change the jump layout.

Was he talking about the LP? The parents were right and the coach was wrong. Nathan's 6 quad program salvaged his Olympic experience.

Can we remember Sasha and the cheesefeat. Tarasova felt she needed to rest up for GPF mom said no and she lost GPF (maybe got sick) Tarasova said I don't need this I'm out.

The whole sports set-up is so different. In the United States, he who pays the piper calls the tune. The skater's parent's are the boss and the coach is the employee. Mme. Tarasova didn't see it that way.

For one thing, Sasha may have had some sort of pre-existeting contract or agreement with the USFSA and the cheesefest's sponsors. Or maybe Sasha just needed the money, which was more than the prize money for the GPF. Cheesefests paid $50,000 for first place in those days, plus whatever the sponsor or the television network paid the participants under the table.

I remember back in the day, Michelle Kwan was paid $900,000 a year by the USFSA (by law, this information is in the public domain). The money came from ABC television and I am pretty sure part of the deal was that she would appear in the three U.S. cheesefests that were broadcast by ABC.

 

[chopinskate]

Was he talking about the LP? The parents were right and the coach was wrong. Nathan's 6 quad program salvaged his Olympic experience.

SP. Raf gave an interview. It's in Nathan's fan fest, but it could be here in the Edge, too.

 

[jenaj]

Was he talking about the LP? The parents were right and the coach was wrong. Nathan's 6 quad program salvaged his Olympic experience.



The whole sports set-up is so different. In the United States, he who pays the piper calls the tune. The skater's parent's are the boss and the coach is the employee. Mme. Tarasova didn't see it that way.

For one thing, Sasha may have had some sort of pre-existeting contract or agreement with the USFSA and the cheesefest's sponsors. Or maybe Sasha just needed the money, which was more than the prize money for the GPF. Cheesefests paid $50,000 for first place in those days, plus whatever the sponsor or the television network paid the participants under the table.

I remember back in the day, Michelle Kwan was paid $900,000 a year by the USFSA (by law, this information is in the public domain). The money came from ABC television and I am pretty sure part of the deal was that she would appear in the three U.S. cheesefests that were broadcast by ABC.

He was talking about the short program. He wanted Nathan to do the flip and toe. At 6 am the morning of the competition, Nathan told him he'd be doing the lutz and flip.

 

[Blades of Passion]

Gedevanishvili was amazing, deserved to be in the last group and maybe even underscored.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGDLO23nn2I

Yep, she should have been 2nd at Europeans that year and 3rd in the SP at Olympics. So much talent.

 

[Procrastinator]

Miles better than Torino? Sasha Cohen WON the short...

Obviously I meant as a whole. "Average" together Cohen, Meisner, and Hughes the lesser and you get something that is decidedly worse than Nagasu/Tennell/Chen.