The Judging Controversy Thread
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The skaters acted like they completely deserved their scores though. Even if they couldnt refuse them they should have the decency to admit they were blatantly overmarked but acted like they deserved every point. So on that alone I cant feel an ounce of sympathy for the skaters, heck why feel sympathy for a skater who got an ill gotten Olympic gold medal.
Think of how incredulous it would've been if Adelina's score went over ~150. Then it would've been even more obvious and even harder to explain. The judges dodged the bullet there. Clever.
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Yes another new revelation. Adelina Fraudnikova has better skating skills than Kostner and Kim.
Exactly! And the 3toe afterwards was definitely UR........
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The skaters acted like they completely deserved their scores though. Even if they couldnt refuse them they should have the decency to admit they were blatantly overmarked but acted like they deserved every point. So on that alone I cant feel an ounce of sympathy for the skaters, heck why feel sympathy for a skater who got an ill gotten Olympic gold medal.
I think you're a parody now.
Yes another new revelation. Adelina Fraudnikova has better skating skills than Kostner and Kim.
Oh dear lord... Honestly, figure skating is doomed to the likes of girls who randomly flail their arms & legs and skate to fast music. I for one am proud for Yuna and Carolina for not choosing to frantically move around during the step sequences to somehow assure a level 4. Their steps stayed true to their respective programs and are unique to the program. The movements in their skates weren't meant to just garner points or fulfill bullet points.
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I would like to joke that something may have broken in pangtongfan after Pang and Tong got pipped by the SS in Pairs, but I think enough has been said. This Sotnikova OGM business was just the nail in the coffin.
Watched the late night NBC coverage, had the 3 American skaters, had Scott and Sandra, then Sot in a very short interview, Yuan in a short interview, then Weir and Tara. Wagner says going for 4 more years. Sandra definitely thought Yuna won, Scott praising everyone, Tara definitely thought Sot won, and Weir seemed to agree. Yuna said she did everything she could and happy with her performance, she said she is so happy everything is over, clearly constant training and expectations have taken there toll on her. Costas asked Weir and Tara about Wagner continuing, they both thought it would be very very hard at her age to remain competitive in four years.
Costas asked Weir if he was treated properly as a gay man in Sochi. Weir said he was treated very well and had a great time. He then told a story which I found amusing. He would be in public restrooms, and a gentlement would walk up to the adjoinging stall, take one look at Weir, and immediately walk back to the entrance and check the door to make sure he was in the correct restroom! He said this happens in the US as well.
Costas asked Weir if he was treated properly as a gay man in Sochi. Weir said he was treated very well and had a great time. He then told a story which I found amusing. He would be in public restrooms, and a gentlement would walk up to the adjoinging stall, take one look at Weir, and immediately walk back to the entrance and check the door to make sure he was in the correct restroom! He said this happens in the US as well.
This is an article from Germany. I used Google translate.
Frauen-Kur im Eiskunstlauf: Verbeugung vor dem Gastgeber
Women's Health in figure skating: bow to the host
Adelina Sotnikowa hat in Sotschi uberraschend Gold im Eiskunstlauf gewonnen. Dabei sprach nach der Kur alles fur die sudkoreanische Titelverteidigerin Kim Yu Na. Aber die Jury entschied fur die Russin - ein Urteil mit Nachgeschmack.
Adelina Sotnikowa won in Sochi surprising gold in figure skating. In this case, after the cure all spoke for the sudkoreanische defending champion Kim Yu Na. But the jury decided for the Russian - a judgment aftertaste.
Als Kim Yu Na ihren Auftritt beendet hatte, war die Halle ein einziger Aufschrei. Ein Aufschrei der Begeisterung. Die Titelverteidigerin aus Sudkorea, um deren Form es zuvor wegen ihrer Verletzungsgeschichten so viele Fragezeichen gegeben hatte, hatte es noch einmal allen gezeigt. Es war eine souverane Kur, gespickt mit Dreifachsprungen, ohne jeden Wackler, gepaart mit der Eleganz, mit der Kim schon vor vier Jahren in Vancouver das Publikum begeistert hatte.
When Kim Yu Na had finished her performance, the hall was a single outcry. A cry of enthusiasm. The defending champion from South Korea to the shape it had before been so many question marks because of their injury histories, had once again shown it all. It was a souverane cure, peppered with triple jumps without any wobbles, coupled with the elegance with which Kim had thrilled the audience in Vancouver four years ago.
So wirkte das Jury-Urteil wie eine Verbeugung vor Russland, dem Ausrichter dieser Spiele. Dem Land, dem zuvor durch das fruheAusscheiden der Eishockey-Nationalmannschaft sein Prestigeobjekt abhanden gekommen war. Dem Land, das diese Spiele so furchtbar gerne mit einer Glamour-Goldmedaille hat kronen wollen. Die hat Russland jetzt bekommen. Sotnikowa ist in die Bresche gesprungen, die das Eishockeyteam hinterlassen hat. Jetzt konnen diese Spiele aus russsicher Sicht beruhigt zu Ende gehen. Das Land hat seine Heldin.
Thus, the jury's verdict was like a bow to Russia, the organizers of these Games. The country, which had previously been lost its prestige object through the fruheAusscheiden the national ice hockey team. The country that so terribly happy with a glamorous gold medal of these games want crowns. The Russia got now. Sotnikowa has jumped into the breach left by the ice hockey team. Now can these games from russ safe view soothes going to end. The country has its heroine.
Eiskunstlauf ist und bleibt ein Sport, der von subjektiven Urteilsspruchen abhangig ist. Kim hat das am Mittwoch erfahren durfen. Ihr Ziel, als erste Lauferin nach Katarina Witt zweimal nacheinander Gold bei Olympischen Spielen zu gewinnen, wird sie nicht mehr erreichen konnen. Es war ihr letzter Winter, sie beendet ihre große Karriere.Die Koreanerin hat das Urteil mit einem etwas schiefen Lacheln hingenommen und sich dann fair und artig mit einem Winken ins Publikum verabschiedet. Als hatte sie schon so etwas geahnt.
Figure skating is and remains a sport that is dependent on subjective judgment Spruchen. Kim has experienced the supply main on Wednesday. Your goal, as a first Lauferin by Katarina Witt to win gold twice in a row at the Olympic Games, it will no longer can achieve. It was her last winter, she finished her big Karriere.Die Korean has accepted the verdict with a slightly crooked smile and then adopted and fair manner with a wave to the audience. As she had suspected such a thing.
Frauen-Kur im Eiskunstlauf: Verbeugung vor dem Gastgeber
Women's Health in figure skating: bow to the host
Adelina Sotnikowa hat in Sotschi uberraschend Gold im Eiskunstlauf gewonnen. Dabei sprach nach der Kur alles fur die sudkoreanische Titelverteidigerin Kim Yu Na. Aber die Jury entschied fur die Russin - ein Urteil mit Nachgeschmack.
Adelina Sotnikowa won in Sochi surprising gold in figure skating. In this case, after the cure all spoke for the sudkoreanische defending champion Kim Yu Na. But the jury decided for the Russian - a judgment aftertaste.
Als Kim Yu Na ihren Auftritt beendet hatte, war die Halle ein einziger Aufschrei. Ein Aufschrei der Begeisterung. Die Titelverteidigerin aus Sudkorea, um deren Form es zuvor wegen ihrer Verletzungsgeschichten so viele Fragezeichen gegeben hatte, hatte es noch einmal allen gezeigt. Es war eine souverane Kur, gespickt mit Dreifachsprungen, ohne jeden Wackler, gepaart mit der Eleganz, mit der Kim schon vor vier Jahren in Vancouver das Publikum begeistert hatte.
When Kim Yu Na had finished her performance, the hall was a single outcry. A cry of enthusiasm. The defending champion from South Korea to the shape it had before been so many question marks because of their injury histories, had once again shown it all. It was a souverane cure, peppered with triple jumps without any wobbles, coupled with the elegance with which Kim had thrilled the audience in Vancouver four years ago.
So wirkte das Jury-Urteil wie eine Verbeugung vor Russland, dem Ausrichter dieser Spiele. Dem Land, dem zuvor durch das fruheAusscheiden der Eishockey-Nationalmannschaft sein Prestigeobjekt abhanden gekommen war. Dem Land, das diese Spiele so furchtbar gerne mit einer Glamour-Goldmedaille hat kronen wollen. Die hat Russland jetzt bekommen. Sotnikowa ist in die Bresche gesprungen, die das Eishockeyteam hinterlassen hat. Jetzt konnen diese Spiele aus russsicher Sicht beruhigt zu Ende gehen. Das Land hat seine Heldin.
Thus, the jury's verdict was like a bow to Russia, the organizers of these Games. The country, which had previously been lost its prestige object through the fruheAusscheiden the national ice hockey team. The country that so terribly happy with a glamorous gold medal of these games want crowns. The Russia got now. Sotnikowa has jumped into the breach left by the ice hockey team. Now can these games from russ safe view soothes going to end. The country has its heroine.
Eiskunstlauf ist und bleibt ein Sport, der von subjektiven Urteilsspruchen abhangig ist. Kim hat das am Mittwoch erfahren durfen. Ihr Ziel, als erste Lauferin nach Katarina Witt zweimal nacheinander Gold bei Olympischen Spielen zu gewinnen, wird sie nicht mehr erreichen konnen. Es war ihr letzter Winter, sie beendet ihre große Karriere.Die Koreanerin hat das Urteil mit einem etwas schiefen Lacheln hingenommen und sich dann fair und artig mit einem Winken ins Publikum verabschiedet. Als hatte sie schon so etwas geahnt.
Figure skating is and remains a sport that is dependent on subjective judgment Spruchen. Kim has experienced the supply main on Wednesday. Your goal, as a first Lauferin by Katarina Witt to win gold twice in a row at the Olympic Games, it will no longer can achieve. It was her last winter, she finished her big Karriere.Die Korean has accepted the verdict with a slightly crooked smile and then adopted and fair manner with a wave to the audience. As she had suspected such a thing.
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I loved watching Miss Tara and Miss Johnny doing the commentary on NBC Sports channel. I hope they start taking over for that old, bald-headed, Oompa Loompa Scott Hamilton!
I feel the same way about Hanyu so it's not just the girls imo.
That is the score skating fans worried that Yuna might receive in case she would fall before the games began. Lets you know where Yulia would be had she not made those mistakes. Scary thought.
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Of course this was a fix from the get-go. It's Mr. Putin getting his revenge for Plushenko not winning the gold in Vancouver.
True. I think there are several components to hometown advantage. One is that the energy and cheers of the crowd can help bring out the best in athletes. The second is that even referees, who play a less direct role in the outcome can succumb to unconscious bias. And a third effect is that the cheering crowds can change the perception of the judges and result in higher scores than if the same performance was met with fewer cheers.
I think the only thing that would help is to have a separate panel judge PCS. It wouldn't completely eliminate the bias, but it old reduce it, IMO
