skatingfan5 said:
Just one point: IF Michelle were to land even a 3T-3T and then five other triple jumps and a double axel, her base value could be just the same as skaters who landed a 3Z-3L or 3Z3T, especially if one of her other jump combinations is a 3 jump one (as she did at 2005 Worlds). .
Slutskaya, Arakawa, Cohen, and Kostner each attempted a three-jump combination with at least one triple in the Worlds LP, and all but Arakawa rotated it. (Kostner's was a 3/3/2). If all competitors rotate land land what they attempt, we can assume that they will all have a 3/3/2 or 3/2/2 in their program.
skatingfan5 said:
A skater who landed two 3-3's would have an "extra" jumping pass to include a second double axel, but that would be the only base value advantage.
Were that entirely true, that extra 2A was worth 3.3 points, or 3.6 points after the halfway mark in 2005. (For the upcoming season I can only find the Scale of Values for the elements with L4's, in the rule change communication.) To add 3.6 points to the base value other elements, the skater would have to upgrade three to four elements from a L2 to a L4.
skatingfan5 said:
With CoP, it is cumulative points and a 3Z-3T or 3Z-3L combo doesn't get any added value above the jumps done separately -- but having a triple-triple (or 2axel-triple combo) is necessary to be able to include seven triples in the program.
Only two triples can be repeated twice. If Kwan does a 3T/3T, it means she can only repeat one other triple, compared to other skaters who can repeat the 3F and 3Lz. That could be close to three points, if the harder repeated triple were performed late. For the skater who performs two 3/3's ending in 3T, thus repeating the 3T, she has an additional jumping pass. Both have the psychological advantage of being perceived as harder, even if NJS does not reward this in base value.
skatingfan5 said:
A 3-3 sequence will actually score only 80% of what the two jumps would be individually, but again, it gives the skater a chance to include 7 triples by freeing up one of the seven allowed jumping passes.
That's why I didn't think Cohen had the advantage in base points over a Kwan without a 3/3, although a 3 SEQ 3 might influence the judges in other aspects.
) . And I certainly agree with your last sentence.
:agree:
, she's still going strong at age 48. She won her first-round matches in both ladies doubles and mixed doubles in the U.S. open Thursday and yesterday.
