US Worlds and Four Continents Teams?

[brightphoton]

What the hell?
The entire season, Suzuki was on fire. Consistently putting out 7 triples in the LP.
The year before that, her only assignment at NHK, she got silver and beat Nakano.
At Nationals, Suzuki also beat Nakano again.

How is this situation the same? Think

Errr right -- Suzuki was a good skater for one season in 2009 and had a good outing 2008. That's pretty much it because she was out due to anorexia for a long time. Nakano had been continuously on the circuit since, I dunno, a long time, since 2003? The medals and results she got during that time period wasn't bad either, and she tended to be underscored.

And come on, a Nationals, Suzuki beat Nakano by a quarter of a point. That's essentially a tie.

 

[FlattFan]

How is that the same with Ashley and Mirai?

 

[brightphoton]

It's not. It's has parallels with Polina and Mirai.

 

[rocketry]

um...I think everyone knows you can't make a decision based on a one-off event. This isn't the 1960's anymore where the Nationals is about the only real competition on any skater's calendar prior to Worlds. Time to welcome the United States to the 21st century and the USFS reacted accordingly by amending their own rules and published them years in advance. The fact some people chose ignore the rules is no excuse. If you are caught breaking the law, you can't claim ignorance as your defense so why can anyone claim they didn't know the selection rules were changed?

So it's okay if Nationals (the first event listed on the placement criteria) aren't judged properly because it's not the only event?

If they were "rules," it would be clearly defined to what extent that they're being weighed and we would know exactly where anyone needed to place and how many points to get a spot like in Japan Nationals 2006. But they're more like discretionary guidelines.

Why was Nationals more important for Johnny Weir when he had an even better resume than Ashley Wagner with a World Medal left off the 2009 World Team then? What "rule" did he break that Ashley didn't?

 

[binky]

photo of ashley falling was on the front page of the washington post with a story about whos going and whos not so you might be wrong about people not knowing

 

[rocketry]

Not nesscessarily. We have to remember that PCS scores are given in relation to the rest of the field. Jason's performance here was a huge standout relative to his competitors at nationals. He will be much less of a standout in the international field -- though he can hold his own.

I must have missed the "relation to the field bullet" in the PCS scores.

If you're going to use "how they will score internationally" as a judging standard, then you should probably score some semblance of how they would be scored internationally, rather than making a guess. Did they also make a guess like that when they sent Ross Miner over Jeremy Abbott in 2011?

 

[Blondie12]

The whole situation is going to be a public relations disaster with the general public, who will simply view it as yet ANOTHER instance of how corrupt the entire world of figure skating is. It makes you wonder who is actually in charge of PR for the USFSA. My guess is The Three Stooges.

And if history is any indication this might affect the mentality of the skaters. One of our ladies will choke, just not sure who it will be and national finishes rarely align w Olympic finishes. Ashley could take this and use it as inspiration to prove why she is on the team or she can cater to the pressure.

 

[Layfan]

photo of ashley falling was on the front page of the washington post with a story about whos going and whos not so you might be wrong about people not knowing

Really?? Thanks! Maybe I am wrong.
Going to read it now....

 

[Frenchie]

*** is this ****.

I'm done! Give her the ******* olympics and now worlds too when mirai proved she's in way better form than that girl?

Bye **** skating

**** you
**** you stupid skating team full of bs and manipulation.

**** you

so ******* disgusting

You shoved disappointment part 1 in my face now part 2 ?

Mirai4life, as heartbroken as I felt for Mirai, you were the second person that came to my mind
I am, again, heartbroken.

 

[brightphoton]

Really?? Thanks! Maybe I am wrong.
Going to read it now....

Yeah, yesterday a picture of Mirai crying at the medal ceremony was on the front page of Yahoo! news with a headline about her being passed up for the 4th place finished.

Today front page of Yahoo! with a picture of Ashley and Jason with the headline " U.S. skating's best chance for Olympic gold - Olympic legend Elvis Stojko says the Americans may have only one legitimate shot at gold in Sochi."

A few days ago a picture of Gracie Gold in her red dress and a headline about her winning the short program.

Hey, don't forget, it's an Olympic year, the only year the public cares about figure skating.

 

[ks777]

hey Frenchie, you used to go by Medusa?

 

[Sara]

The USFSA made the right decision in sending Polina to Sochi, but I really cannot understand why they're not sending Mirai to Worlds instead of Polina. They are doing similar arrangements in other disciplines so why ladies should be an exception. Polina could go to Jr Worlds. They really don't seem to like Mirai

 

[Mrs. P]

I must have missed the "relation to the field bullet" in the PCS scores.

If you're going to use "how they will score internationally" as a judging standard, then you should probably score some semblance of how they would be scored internationally, rather than making a guess. Did they also make a guess like that when they sent Ross Miner over Jeremy Abbott in 2011?

It's not a bullet, but it's clear from how scoring goes at different events that is what happens. That is why people make a point of saying that it is difficult to compare scores across competitions. That is why elite skaters tend to get higher PCS at senior B competitions. And finally that's why nationals scores (and senior bs) are not counted toward ISU personal best.

Jason will score quite well in PCS internationally. He already has 80+. However it is very unlikely that judges will give him 90+ Heck, Hanyu didn't get 90+ until quite recently.

As for 2011, iirc Ross skated a clean program while Jeremy messed up his and he still got 5 more points than Ross. Ross beat Jeremy on TES.

My point on how they would score internationally was mainly to explain why Jason would not get 90+ pcs, not to say that judges needed to take that into account.

 

[Frenchie]

actually I didn't even watch her skate at the Japanese nationals on youtube.

Good. You don't watch her skating and still can tell her level 4 +GOE spins are ugly.

Now, talk about skaters you ACTUALLY watch, but not ones you don't.

:thumbsup:

 

[Frenchie]

hey Frenchie, you used to go by Medusa?

huh? I didn't get this one...
I called myself frenchie here ever since I first opened an account. Never Medusa. Why do you ask? Is/was Medusa another member here?

 

[rocketry]

It's not a bullet, but it's clear from how scoring goes at different events that is what happens. That is why people make a point of saying that it is difficult to compare scores across competitions. That is why elite skaters tend to get higher PCS at senior B competitions. And finally that's why nationals scores (and senior bs) are not counted toward ISU personal best.

Jason will score quite well in PCS internationally. He already has 80+. However it is very unlikely that judges will give him 90+ Heck, Hanyu didn't get 90+ until quite recently.

Senior Bs do get points and are still treated like wins. There's no consequences for winning a senior b with a low level field. If you win, you get the points which helps your ISU rank and gives you a better starting order. They don't give half the points to someone else because they may get higher PCS if they were skating at a GP.

 

[flying camel]

I think someone said it best. USFSA has no faith in Mirai. She has had too many bad performances. She has shown up at to many competitions unprepared.

It is now her job to fix her reputation. She is the alternate for the Olympics and Worlds. If she want to continue, will she be prepared if called upon or will she come unprepared.

 

[Frenchie]

Even though there is zero chance of Nagasu giving up her American citizenship, going to the Japanese skating federation is no better. Funny that Mirai watched Akiko with tears streaming down her face, because that same Akiko bumped Yukari Nakano off the 2008 Olympic team. I'm having trouble remembering the exact placements, but I think Nakano got 3rd and Suzuki got 5th.

Since you state that Suzuki got the Olympic Spot over Nakano although finishing behind her at JN, if you care to make sure your statements are founded before posting them, there's always the internet to check...
Suzuki beat Nakano by... beating her at JN: Suzuki finished 2nd, Nakano 3rd, by only 0,17pts. It was Miki Ando who finished 4th, 10 points behind those 2, who got the Olympic Spot over Nakano.

Oh, and one last thing: there were no Olympic Games in 2008

 

[pangtongfan]

I think someone said it best. USFSA has no faith in Mirai. She has had too many bad performances. She has shown up at to many competitions unprepared.

It is now her job to fix her reputation. She is the alternate for the Olympics and Worlds. If she want to continue, will she be prepared if called upon or will she come unprepared.

It isnt just not being reliable. She doesnt have the scoring potential anymore either. Even when she skates well the best she can manage is 3rd at a poorly skated grand prix event (eg- NHK last year, COR this year). If everyone skates reasonably well she would finish behind all 3 Japanese, both Russians, Gold and Wagner if both are there, Osmond, Kim (probably wont be at Worlds), Kostner. Then beyond those there are others with similar scoring potential as well like Li, Korpi. She would not likely place higher than 9th or 10th at Worlds unless it was a royal splatfest, and it was a really well skated event she could conceivably skate well and place even lower than that, and that would not be certain to help with getting 3 spots, as it would require someone like Gold or Wagner medalling along with it.

 

[wallylutz]

Oh, and one last thing: there were no Olympic Games in 2008

There was Olympics in 2008 - in Beijing. Except, I didn't realize Figure Skating takes place in both Summer and Winter Games although technically, it's possible. Wouldn't it be nice though, double the chance of winning the Olympics, sounds like a great idea to me.