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V&M Free Dance music this year

I think all the other dance teams in Canada might as well put the thought of getting the gold right out of their minds....Virtue/Moir....it's Bourne/Kraatz all over again! B/K had 10 Canadian titles, think V/M will go for that? They are well on their way.

It will be interesting to see how they fit into the mix of the teams at Worlds this season. Although I seriously doubt that missing the GP series will hurt them at all. But we'll have to see. I can't wait to see them in competition form and see how it all goes for them. But Canadians is coming soon.
 
V/M plan for the next season pretty early, which I think is the norm for Shpilband/Zoueva teams. I think I read somewhere that Marina came to them with Umbrellas of Cherbourg halfway through the previous season, and Scott mentioned in a recent interview that they were very organized this season as well. There's also an icenetwork article from last March with Scott saying that they were to resume training and decide next season's music choices and direction after returning from Sweden. So I highly doubt that they picked this music after seeing D/S's choice. That would seem so counterproductive if their goal was to look different from the other teams.

At least I see that the twizzles and the spins aren't much different from last year's.

I think the spin is a lot different from last year's. Here they start in camel positions and then both change to different sit positions that weren't in last year's spin. The third position is similar to a position from last year, but there's even a slight variation there with Tessa using both arms to support her free leg. Also, the spin is broken up with an illusion, which did not do last year either.

The only difference I can see in the twizzles is new arm variations in the second set.

I don't see Virtue and Moir winning 10 Canadian titles like Bourne and Kraatz. As good as V/M are, I think Crone and Poirier are going to challenge sooner rather than later, and furthermore, I just don't see V/M sticking around for nine more years. I know they're young, but I get the sense that they won't be dancing competitively into their 30s. Could be wrong of course.

I like this program a lot so far. Cool lifts, interesting and new choreography and style for them, and more modern dance movements than what we're used to seeing in ice dance. I can't wait to see it with more practice and polish, but...ohhh the music....what is it with V/M and unpleasant vocals? I'm sort of getting used to vocals, but really now. C/P's FD music already sounds idyllic and it's going to sound positively heavenly next to this.
 
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I don't think it's a good sign that Tessa suffered a serious injury so young. And it's an injury that could recur. I also don't think V/M will be in it for the long haul. Their goal seems to be gold in Vancouver and if they did achieve that, I suspect they'll retire to do show and earn lots of money.

DelShoes' participation at Worlds is now in question since Isabelle had to have surgery on her injured shoulder. Worlds 2009 should be interesting.....
 
well since Virtue and Moir did not skate the GP, or anything before that, we have no proof that they picked this music in the summer. They were very tight lipped about music. It could be that they chose Pink Floyd after watching the French, or it could be a conicidence.

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Tessa and Scott picked Pink Floyd a long time ago. At the Skate Canada Camp they already had this music and it was also announced at the Skate Canada website by that time so they didn't wait to see the GP.

Just to supplement victoria90's reply, here is an article by icenetwork on the camp with mention of Pink Floyd used by both V/M and Sawyer:
http://web.icenetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080926&content_id=52094&vkey=ice_news
 
I vaguely remember an interview where they intimated that they were not planning to stay competitve for a long time.

Well, is it a consensus that V/M had chose the music soon after last season and that this is just a coincidence?

ETA: previous post answered my question
 
I like V/M music cut better than D/S. The Great Gig in the Sky is a really difficult piece of music to cut and after about 2 min. of the actual song it gets really monotonous. I know this song really well as I'm using it for a piece and D/S program makes me cringe everything there's a music cut. I like that V/M are combining it with another piece.
Music aside, I :love: V/M lifts and am glad to see a different spin than last year. Can't wait to see them at Canadians
 
There were some links put up with exhibition footage of V/M's new FD on fsuniverse.

Pt 1

Pt 2

Let the comparisons begin...

Thank you for the links.
Innovative, confident, cool, gold-worthy, and though I'm not a huge fan of that meowing music, somehow it works quite OK.

As for the comparisons, I leave it to the judges.
 
I don't know what the other team is skating to, but this music is from Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" - looks very cool.
 
well since Virtue and Moir did not skate the GP, or anything before that, we have no proof that they picked this music in the summer. They were very tight lipped about music. It could be that they chose Pink Floyd after watching the French, or it could be a conicidence. Rember that everybody here was after them not to pick somthing romantic...and i think spanish music was also ruled out by some. We should be happy.

I don't know. I was hoping to see something not so romantic, but why Pink Floyd? Their skating is so lovely, but the music, in my opinion, does not complement them at all. I think the symphonic version would suit their style better.
 
Impressions from a D&S (and V&M to a lesser extent) fan;

The first thing that struck me was how close the opening choreography is to D&S, right down to the placement of the dance spin. Like others have said, the lifts are are strong, and I really appreciate the difficult holds and unique transitions in the circular step sequence which I feel often get overlooked in COP. No question the TES and GOE will be as as high as ever for them.

However, as a Pink Floyd fan, I really don't get the combination of music, and using "Money" for the second half seems tacked on and anticlimactic. There is so much Pink Floyd music that could be combined to create an interesting program that I don't get just sticking those two pieces together. It's not as bad as Gregory&Petukov's "Shine On You Crazy Diamond/Money/Random Unrelated Techno Piece" monstrosity from a few years back, but still.

I found their interpretation of "The Great Gig in the Sky" to be choreographically pretty interesting, but I just didn't get the sense of seamlessness in the choreography that D&S bring to their version and I find that D&S do a better job using their power and edges to capture the rawness of the music, especially with the vocal which is probably the most challenging part of the music to interpret. I also thought the elements in D&S version were better placed to the music, in particular the footwork sequences.

I'd almost rather V&M ditch the "Money" part and go head to head against D&S with "Great Gig in the Sky", but then again this music doesn't bother me at all the way it seems to others. I love the emotion and rawness of it.
 
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Well i disagree with you V&M have much better lifts, much better transitions plus i think the money part is great it will get the crowd into it etc... D&S program is frankly boring.
 
I found their interpretation of "The Great Gig in the Sky" to be choreographically pretty interesting, but I just didn't get the sense of seamlessness in the choreography that D&S bring to their version and I find that D&S do a better job using their power and edges to capture the rawness of the music, especially with the vocal which is probably the most challenging part of the music to interpret.

I would say that this s probably due to D&S having little to no interruption in their training and therefore having more experience with the program and the choreography. No doubt that V&M will have more fluidity as they train the program more. I'm excited to see their OD too!
 
I can't imagine any thievery occurring intentionally. I think this ironically makes for potentially heightened interest. Recall the battle of the Carmen's... the media loves a good side-by-side Coke/Pepsi challenge. Can't wait for LA Worlds.
 
nice opening V/M, where did you get it? (just asking...)
great combo spin though...a lot more action and intricacy.

this new program, IN FEEL, does not match the "wow factors" of past programs
aka -they be tryin' to fit into something they ain't- or to be more P.C. "trying something new"

but....i have to say.....that split lift in part 2.....best lift of the season....otherwise their "new/ innovative" lifts are basically fused lifts - kinda messy with kick splits and arm movement.

i like their 1st footwork- slow/ tumultuous but more exciting and lively.

gross transition into money though.

lcd - love your analogy to pepsi/coke challenge. but the instances where skaters skate to the same music in the past usually occurs with ....hackneyed music aka carmen, tosca, swan lake....not..."breakthrough" uniqueness -devoid-ness from cliché fig. skating music....(floyd)
 
Well your a delobel and shoenfelder fan, so your opinion is a little biased anyway this program looks alot more difficult than the french whose program is frankly boring, i think V&M will win their first world title this year. The lifts are awesome all the changes in variation are much more difficult than the overrated french.
 
Well your a delobel and shoenfelder fan, so your opinion is a little biased anyway this program looks alot more difficult than the french whose program is frankly boring, i think V&M will win their first world title this year. The lifts are awesome all the changes in variation are much more difficult than the overrated french.

more like overrated canadians
 
Oh please the only reason this french team moved up is because all the top teams of their era retired and the return of the corrupt french official from salt lake i won't mention his name.
 
Oh please the only reason this french team moved up is because all the top teams of their era retired and the return of the corrupt french official from salt lake i won't mention his name.

Ok, all of you V/M fans, just stop all the insulting because it's getting really crazy and mean here. First of all, it's clear which is the more overrated team: V and M. I used to be a die-hard fan of them, but I've been getting really really tired of hearing all this praise about them being so good, and we all know part of that's because they're a young team. For an old team like D/S it's so much harder to gain recognition like that.

Second of all, we're not trying to say who's better than who all the time, but in terms of spontaneity and genuine expression I can't see why people disagree who the winner is here. V/M are excellent technicians and they emote pretty well for people their age, but you're not giving D/S enough credit if you fail to see that in terms of expression they're the undisputed #1. Everything about their moves is seamless, and every movement in their choreography has meaning. Just recall how intricate their Piano program was compared to the rest, as even V/M fans recognized that Sphilpand and Zueva's choreography of Umbrella was a bit empty in choreography at times.

Initially, I was worried about their pink floyd program too as it left me cold at SA, only at the last minute at the GPF final, it made complete sense to me as they skated with such certainty and fluity as they never have since last year (I think the last time was 2008 Europeans when they skated the original version of Piano). With half the audience saying they should chuck the pink floyd (myself included at the time I think), they kept improving, kept skating the program with conviction and belief that the music was meant for them. That's what they kept telling us in their interviews, how their music meant so much to them because it summed up their decision to continue, to keep skating after winning Worlds.

That is also partly why I'm so dismayed that V/M chose to skate to the same music, while knowing that song meant so much to the other team. Yes, they announced their choice as Pink Floyd before the season started, but did they say it was The Great Gig in the Sky? No, not a word of it. for some reason they chose not to announce it, and I must say that was deceitful on their part. I think their team saw that having the same music as D/S puts them at a great advantage, because by comparing each move they can choose to make their corresponding ones more technically difficult, which is what they seem to have done looking at the clips. Yes, the spins are interesting and so are the lifts, but it strikes me as though they're trying too hard to be innovative, in order to one-up themselves as well as the other teams.

But to me, and I think to those with discerning eyes, their program doesn't carry the same sincerity and fluidity as D/S program. I urge everyone to watch their GPF performance; for me, that's when everything made sense. It was such a hard sell for D/S, trying to make their audience see its beauty, and now that they have done just that and worked so hard to pave the way, for V/M to come along and take advantage of it like that (whether they intended to or not, but they sure have found themselves in a position to do just that), how could we not be dismayed that they didn't choose a different song during their long period of downtime? I can't help but call that lazy , and a bit unprofessional.
 
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But to me, and I think to those with discerning eyes, their program doesn't carry the same sincerity and fluidity as D/S program. I urge everyone to watch their GPF performance; for me, that's when everything made sense. It was such a hard sell for D/S, trying to make their audience see its beauty, and now that they have done just that and worked so hard to pave the way, for V/M to come along and take advantage of it like that (whether they intended to or not, but they sure have found themselves in a position to do just that), how could we not be dismayed that they didn't choose a different song during their long period of downtime? I can't help but call that lazy , and a bit unprofessional.

I'm a Virtue and Moir fan, but I do respect Isabelle and Olivier. I consider myself a Figure Skating fan first, so then I'm able to enjoy all the skaters.
Having said that, I disagree with what you said. You can't just change the song because then you have to change the choreo and some steps, maybe not everything, but some parts. Tessa was out of the ice for about 2 months and was back on the ice training as before during the second week of December. Make changes with the nationals so close and still having problems with some parts of the FD due to the lack of training, isn't a very good idea.
Yes, they could have changed it, but was the risk worth it?
And, as I see it, if they wanted to pick the same music as Delobel and Schoenfelder so then they could compare the moves they wouldn't have even worried about the Money part, how can they compare that?
 
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