What Should be the penalty for a flutz?

[Mathman]

To me, I guess it's more of a conceptual inconsistency - I don't see how an element that gets no base points at all can count toward anything in the program. Even if in reality this does not hurt any skaters, to me it is just illogical.

Ptichka, I didn't understand what kind of situation are you referring to? Which element gets no base points but counts toward something?

 

[Ptichka]

Ptichka, I didn't understand what kind of situation are you referring to? Which element gets no base points but counts toward something?

If you do 3 triple loops, the third one will get no points. However, it will still go toward the 7 jump limit in the program. So, a skater can get into a situation where not only will the third loop not count, but neither will the last jump if it exceeds the max number of jumps allowed.

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

What if a skater executed a trip Wally, would it count as a jump passe with 0 points? or as an attempted wrong edge Loop jump?

Joe

 

[gsrossano]

If you do 3 triple loops, the third one will get no points. However, it will still go toward the 7 jump limit in the program. So, a skater can get into a situation where not only will the third loop not count, but neither will the last jump if it exceeds the max number of jumps allowed.

If the skater does an extra jump element that element is out, no mater what is done in the previous elements. If the skater does the permitted number of jump elements, and there is an extra repetition of a jump, only the element with the extra repetition is out, not that element plus the last element.

Each skater gets the same number of chances to score (elements). If an attempt is screwed up, or the skater chooses to do an element that gets stared out, they do not get to do a "makeup element" The skaters get some number of jump element attempts, not that number of successful attempts. If they waste an attempt, or make an error on an attempt, they don't get to try again. I shudder to think what skating programs would look like if skaters were permitted to attempt as many jump elements as they felt they could cram into the allowed time.

What if a skater executed a trip Wally, would it count as a jump passe with 0 points? or as an attempted wrong edge Loop jump?

A Walley is an unlisted jump. It does not count as a jump element. They count as transitions, but do not get called.

The last time a saw a double Walley was in the early 90s. I have never seen a triple. The Walley ought to be a listed jump (as should the toe Walley).

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

A Walley is an unlisted jump. It does not count as a jump element. They count as transitions, but do not get called.

The last time a saw a double Walley was in the early 90s. I have never seen a triple. The Walley ought to be a listed jump (as should the toe Walley).

Agree wholeheartedly. It's a beautiful jump when executed properly. I'm not so crazy about the toe wally (it's a mirror image of the Lutz) but, why not? There would then be a selection of jumps to fulfill the maximum number of passes.

Leave out a triple toe loop and put in a triple toe wally means more points.

Joe