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What was Michelle Kwan's peak year?

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I think it was 1998. Lyra at nationals and Olympics and the Dantes Prayer done at pro-ans which was one of her more satisfying pieces for me. I loved that program so much.

When do you think she matured fully and was at her best? What programs made you feel this? Been watching many videos. :thumbsup:
 
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1998, but 2003 Worlds was great for her!

Programs that have especially moved me - Salome, Winter, Dante's Prayer, Pocahontas, East of Eden
 
My personal favourite is 2000 and 2001. Difficult jumps (3Lz+2T and 3T+3T!) and superb programs (Red violin, East of Eden and Dumky trio)
 
Between 96 and 99 her programs were intricately choreographed, all later programs were water down, simple and yet beautiful.

I was most impressed with her 2000 worlds win. She came out to fight, there was anger and attack in that Free program.
 
I think Michelle's wins at Nationals and Worlds in 2003 were the peak of her skating. Her costumes, programs and performances were absolutely beautiful. As a Maria B. fan, I was obviously disappointed to see Michelle defeat her in 2000. However, Michelle was the clear winner of that event.
 
I think it was 1998. Lyra at nationals and Olympics and the Dantes Prayer done at pro-ans which was one of her more satisfying pieces for me. I loved that program so much.

When do you think she matured fully and was at her best? What programs made you feel this? Been watching many videos. :thumbsup:

Peak schmeak! Her peak for me was every year she continued to skate and compete! Tara OGM, gone. Sarah OGM, gone. Michelle just kept competing and I loved just about everything she did. Her only program that I didn't really like was Bolero. My favorites include Romanza, Lyra, Red Violin, East of Eden and Ariane. Exhibition programs - Dante's Prayer, One More Time and Fields of Gold.
 
Peak schmeak! Her peak for me was every year she continued to skate and compete! Tara OGM, gone. Sarah OGM, gone. Michelle just kept competing and I loved just about everything she did. Her only program that I didn't really like was Bolero. My favorites include Romanza, Lyra, Red Violin, East of Eden and Ariane. Exhibition programs - Dante's Prayer, One More Time and Fields of Gold.

First of all..."Peak Schmeak" is my new favorite phrase.:laugh2: As a Maria Butyrskaya fan, I watched Michelle very closely starting in 1995 as she was one of Maria's huge rivals. I saw Michelle perform live in 1999 in Helsinki and again in 2001 in Vancouver. Michelle did not skate well in 1999 and I think she fell on a double axel. I'm not sure but someone will know. In 2001 Michelle was the clear winner. However, I was not a fan of Irina's LP and had she not won the SP, I would have placed her 4th and put Maria on the podium in 3rd pushing Sarah up to the Silver. I just checked and I was right. Michelle fell on a double axel in the SP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta04kTVj2DU
 
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I think Michelle's wins at Nationals and Worlds in 2003 were the peak of her skating. Her costumes, programs and performances were absolutely beautiful.

True, but she had one stupendous blockbuster still to come: 2004 Nationals Tosca. :yes:

As a Maria B. fan, I was obviously disappointed to see Michelle defeat her in 2000. However, Michelle was the clear winner of that event.

Curiously, although Michelle won the LP, Maria still would have won by factored placements if Irina hadn't spoiled the soup. Michelle only got 2nd in qualifying and 3rd in SP. In the LP Maria stood second and first overall with one skater left to skate. Irina took second, knocking Maria down to third and giving Michelle the championship. (Ah, the good old days of 6.0 ;) )

By the way, although Michelle's 2000 worlds Red Violin might well be her finest competitive performance, even better was the preview version presented at the 1999 worlds exhibition. :love:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P06NFFMn7Hs
 
Hmm, 1996 (undefeated except at a minor competition). Or 1998 (WC and National Championships, clean skate and silver medal at Olympics, won everything else). Or 2000 (National and World Champ. Maybe her best long program at Worlds-7 triples with a 3-3). Or 2001 (again, a 7 triple long program at Worlds with a 3-3). Or 2003 (undefeated season).

Peak performances (besides those already mentioned): Tosca, 2004 Nationals; Fields of Gold, 2002 Olympics; Lyra Angelica, 1998 Nationals; Spartacus, 2005 Nationals; Rach Medley, 1998 Nationals; East of Eden, 2001 Nationals; The Feeling Begins, 2003 Worlds; Aranjuez, 2003 Worlds; Romanza and Salome, 1996 Worlds.
 
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Hmm, 1996 (undefeated except at a minor competition). Or 1998 (WC and National Championships, clean skate and silver medal at Olympics, won everything else). Or 2000 (National and World Champ. Maybe her best long program at Worlds-7 triples with a 3-3). Or 2001 (again, a 7 triple long program at Worlds with a 3-3). Or 2003 (undefeated season).

Peak performances (besides those already mentioned): Tosca, 2004 Nationals; Fields of Gold, 2002 Olympics; Lyra Angelica, 1998 Nationals; Spartacus, 2005 Nationals; Rach Medley, 1998 Nationals; East of Eden, 2001 Nationals; The Feeling Begins, 2003 Worlds; Aranjuez, 2003 Worlds; Romanza and Salome, 1996 Worlds.

She was just soooo good--soooo great! it's hard to choose. She was always an inspiration in so many other ways, as well. NO one like her ever! Peak year--there were peak years. I love her and miss her still to this day!
 
I'm not a Michelle überfan, but I am a fan of Michelle in general, and I admire her consistency and longevity! As I'm not an expert fan of hers, I can't dissect which programs hers were "better" or "worse" ... I dunno, they all seemed great to me? Lyra from 1998 is the most memorable to me. :)

Has there been a thread previously that discusses what everyone's predictions would have been if Michelle was healthy for The 2006 Olympics? I've often wondered myself if she would've been a factor... I think so. Thoughts?
 
Hmm, 1996 (undefeated except at a minor competition). Or 1998 (WC and National Championships, clean skate and silver medal at Olympics, won everything else). Or 2000 (National and World Champ. Maybe her best long program at Worlds-7 triples with a 3-3). Or 2001 (again, a 7 triple long program at Worlds with a 3-3). Or 2003 (undefeated season).

Peak performances (besides those already mentioned): Tosca, 2004 Nationals; Fields of Gold, 2002 Olympics; Lyra Angelica, 1998 Nationals; Spartacus, 2005 Nationals; Rach Medley, 1998 Nationals; East of Eden, 2001 Nationals; The Feeling Begins, 2003 Worlds; Aranjuez, 2003 Worlds; Romanza and Salome, 1996 Worlds.

I was/am a huge Michelle fan- actually had the joy of watching her win 2003 Worlds with my daughter, one of our best mother-daughter memories. I love so many of her programs, but Lyra, East of Eden and Dante's Prayer were perfection - I have to agree with jenaj's list- as I read it I could hear the music for each of these, and see those opening steps.
 
I'm not a Michelle überfan, but I am a fan of Michelle in general, and I admire her consistency and longevity! As I'm not an expert fan of hers, I can't dissect which programs hers were "better" or "worse" ... I dunno, they all seemed great to me? Lyra from 1998 is the most memorable to me. :)

Has there been a thread previously that discusses what everyone's predictions would have been if Michelle was healthy for The 2006 Olympics? I've often wondered myself if she would've been a factor... I think so. Thoughts?

I think her peak with technical difficulty was probably 2000 or 2001. She appeared stronger and her jumps had greater lift in 2003-2004. Her programs were always great.

Had Michelle been healthy, she would have been a factor. That was not a particularly well skated event, and there were many reports of her spins being level 3 and 4s. With a clean short, a solid 5/6 triple long with that intense, passionate music would have won it.
 
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I agree that MK was technically strongest in 2000-2001, and probably artistically the strongest, in the ground-breaking sense, in 1996-1999 (the highlight for me, during that period, was actually her World Pros long program version of East of Eden--wished she had saved that for an Olympic LP as much as I loved its later incarnation as a short.). That said, for whatever reason, the Michelle I find myself loving the most after all these years was the warrior Michelle of 2003-2005 (Aranjuez, The Feeling Begins, Tosca, and Spartacus). I know they were technically less complex but the raw passion and the relentless ***-kickery of those programs moved me the most. Especially 2004 Nats Tosca. Knowing that she was behind when she skated it, that the USFSA's Sasha coronation ceremony was practically already starting, that her hip had already started to fall apart, and watching her lay THAT brilliant, transcendent, courageous skate down...for me that was her greatest moment.
 
She had so many great programs. I'm just going to go ahead and rank the best performances of all of her competitive programs (not specifically taking technical merit into consideration), video links included:

LONG PROGRAMS
01. Lyra Angelica, 1998 Nationals (impossible to replicate, there isn't an ounce of labor here, not a single position or edge or step out of place, everything is effortless and heavenly)
02. Aranjeuz, 2003 Worlds (I've watched this more than any other ice skating performance ever. It is constantly uplifting, an understated dynamic quality throughout. That final layback is SO beautifully elegiac with the music, contrasted with ending the program by triumphantly raising her arms ever more upward, calmly standing there and beaming at the crowd on their feet. Perfect.)
03. Salome, 1996 Worlds (one of the most beguiling performances in skating history; the brilliant interspersed choreographic movements are a perfect example of what has been lost by the current scoring system forcing such jam-packed footwork and spins into programs)

04. Tosca, 2004 Nationals (This is such a great example of control and simmer. Yes, the choreography is relatively "simple", but look at how solid her blade always is, her posture, the nuances of her arm and foot positions - and that final footwork sequence and ending pose, replete with some of the most defiant arm flexing ever!)
05. Ariane, 1998 World Pros (or 1999 Nationals...she did her best Triple-Triple ever there! An immensely sophisticated program.)
06. The Miraculous Mandarin, 2000/2001 GPF (it's too bad this was the only performance; a superb program that could have been phenomenal with more mileage -- I envisioned it as a 2004-2005 season program here: CoP program for Kwan)
07. Song of the Black Swan, 2001 Worlds (A lovely program, I was surprised to rank it relatively lower; in the past it was a couple spots higher when I did this list. That's what happens when you have so many masterpiece performances, though. This could have had more detail in a couple places and perhaps a bit less stereotypical of an ending. The judges were overscoring Slutskaya's empty programs, so it's understandable that Kwan in these years felt the need to focus more on speed. Still, this was so great that it made us actively dislike Carolina Kostner for 2 seasons in a row when she tried to skate to it.)
08. The Red Violin, 2000 Worlds (This is probably the best she ever skated technically, so again it feels a little strange to put it relatively low. The program was a little too open and could have gone darker and more sorrowful with the choreography; it was more like that as an exhibition program. However, it's excellent anyway. I love how she seamlessly drops her free leg lower in the spiral sequence, keeps it steady in that position, and then raises it up again.)

09. Scheherezade, 2002 Nationals (a very good program even if it wasn't one of her absolute best. To be honest, the fall at the Olympics was perfect with the music, because it was such a drawn-out and desperate attempted save on the landing that it invoked the sadness of the music in that moment with stunning clarity.)
10. Taj Mahal, 1996 Skate America (or 1997 Worlds, you decide - the program is somewhat of a Salome retread, but still very interesting and well-composed)
11. Bolero, 2004 Campbells (this one performance of the program was a lot of fun and showed great potential...unfortunately every other version of the program after this was definitely the weakest LP of her career)
12. Rondo Capriccioso, 1995 Worlds (a more jump-oriented program but still very nice; her joy at the end is brilliant!)
13. East of Eden compilation, 1994 Worlds (13 years old and already so composed and attuned to performing!)

SHORT PROGRAMS
01. Romanza, 1996 Worlds (begins with exquisite heart-pulsing elegance and transitions into fantastic upbeat flair, I love the mixture)
02. Spartacus, 2005 Nationals (It's impossible for me to not think of this performance when I hear this music. It's such a glorious journey of emotions. Look at how effective her "simple" combination spin and layback are. The footwork sequence has gorgeous flow, feeding right out of a spiral sequence that was one of the best-placed elements to music of all time. And that ending, giving so much time to close out the program with a regal assuredness!)
03. East of Eden, 2001 Worlds (Effervescent is the word. It has a nostalgic quality to it as well, creating the feeling of sunshine and friendship overcoming adversity. Sublime.)
04. Rachmaninoff, 1998 Nationals (although I like the dress and layback better in 2002. A splendid program, no doubt. It has introspective depth and joy. Just slightly less overwhelming to me in comparison to the others.)
05. Dream of Desdemona, 1997 Japan Open (Superb throughout, some surprising transitions. The last spin could have used more dynamic arm usage to make the ending even more impactful.)
06. A Day in the Life, 2000 Worlds (An excellent program that didn't get enough credit, a different look for her. Only criticism is after the change of edge in the spiral she could have used her arms better with the music)

07. The Last Temptation of Christ, 2003 Worlds (An earthy, boiling kind of feeling is projected here. Really great, I just would have adjusted the footwork sequence a bit to have less hops and more turns, and the ending is very slightly off. Difficult music to exactly time an ending to, though.)
08. Rush, 2000 Masters (A very nice, laid-back program. Ultimately the spiral sequence just doesn't have a great home with the music)
09. Carmen, 1999 Nationals (The program has a couple great moments and good attention to detail as usual, but overall was a bit too classy for its own good. And in the end...it's Carmen.)
10. Yellow River Piano Concerto, 1995 Worlds (14 year old Michelle growing in her style. Solid effort all-around)
11. Totentanz, 2005 Marshalls (It's not exactly fair to include this, but it's notable to see the hindrances of the new scoring system on her skating. There were better ways to choreograph in favor of what she could do best and serve the rules, but people didn't understand it well enough at the time. The footwork sequence here and overall style was interesting to see, though.)
12. Song of India + Sabre Dance, 1994 Nationals (isn't especially remarkable, she's just 13 years old, but pleasant to see tiny Michelle anyway)

Plus a special mention because it is AMAZING, Pocahontas at 1996 Ultimate Four. Definitely my favorite professional competitive program of hers. Phenomenally soulful and lyrical.

And why not throw in the uber-emotional Fields of Gold while we're at it. Sigh.
 
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Thank you, Erin S. I was searching for a term to describe the 2003-2005 Michelle. Relentless ***-kickery. (Now we will both get in trouble for evading the GS censor. :laugh: )

SarahSynchro said:
Has there been a thread previously that discusses what everyone's predictions would have been if Michelle was healthy for The 2006 Olympics? I've often wondered myself if she would've been a factor... I think so. Thoughts?

As it turned out, Sasha fell twice, Irina was terrible, and Shizuka left out both of her her planned triple-triples. So in that sense Michelle could have been a factor.

The premise, though, "if she were healthy" is hard to reconstruct in the imagination. If it means, go back in time for five years to before her hip started to degenerate, then yes, the 2000-2001 Michelle could have swept the field. (Although Arakawa might have skated more aggressively with the added competition.) By the time of her last performance (December, 2005) Michelle could hardly walk, much less skate.

That event, by the way, is the poster child for why phone-in-your-vote and Internet voting doesn't work for figure skating (as we were just reminded by the World Team Challenge in April. :) ) In the semi-finals Matt Savoie skated beautifully and won the votes of all three judges (Dick Button, Peggy Fleming, and Peter Carruthers), but lost out in the fan voting to the more popular Michael Weiss. In the ladies' final, Sasha had a great skate -- including falling out of her final pose (as Juliet) but saving it by lying on the ice and pretending to stab herself :laugh: )

Michelle could barely make it through her performance, and the best the three judges could say to her was, "We have enjoyed your performances over the years." Still, the fan vote came in with a landslide for the Kween. :)
 
I feel bad that she wasn't getting the right coaching at the time. People were forcing her to do unnecessary spin positions, which added to the injury. Tarasova was trying to make her do the Biellmann spin when actually you didn't need it at all to get max spin levels. You just needed sideways position, speed increase, and haircutter at the time to get a maximum Layback level.

Similarly, nobody understood about using the "3 basic positions on both feet" feature for spins at the time (it was included under a different wording). Michelle could have gotten max level on her comination spin by doing back camel, back sit, V position, change to forward camel, down to sit position, and then another V position. Upright cross-leg position also would have worked, something that was in her repertoire.
 
I changed my mind. 2001 was the best Michelle as I had to consider altogether beautiful programs and technical difficulty. Still my very favourite program from many great ones is Aranjuez, I just adore that music and interpretation so much.
 
First of all..."Peak Schmeak" is my new favorite phrase.:laugh2: As a Maria Butyrskaya fan, I watched Michelle very closely starting in 1995 as she was one of Maria's huge rivals. I saw Michelle perform live in 1999 in Helsinki and again in 2001 in Vancouver. Michelle did not skate well in 1999 and I think she fell on a double axel. I'm not sure but someone will know. In 2001 Michelle was the clear winner. However, I was not a fan of Irina's LP and had she not won the SP, I would have placed her 4th and put Maria on the podium in 3rd pushing Sarah up to the Silver. I just checked and I was right. Michelle fell on a double axel in the SP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta04kTVj2DU

I remember how shocked I was when she fell on that 2A! lol.
 
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