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I think that the preference of ladies over the the other disciplines might be mainly an American phenomenon. In Canada the mens events tend to be much more popular. When I was at Euros in Warsaw this January, it seemed as though Dance was the favourite, followed by men and pairs. Among the mainly Euro crowd I was hanging out with, ladies was by far the least favourite, to the point that the Ladies short was probably the least attended event (well one has to sightsee sometime....;) )

I suppose that in Japan Ladies might also be the most popular, given that their own are doing so well. But their men are doing well too, so I don't know how much more coverage is given to the ladies there.

I have travelled to a lot of events with very different groups of fans(and alone), and I have to say that for the most part the US fans prefer the ladies, and the others (Euros and Canadians) often have them as their least favourite. It's not universally true, of course, but it is a definite trend. It may have something to do with the success of the US ladies, but I don't think so- most of the most knowledgable fans I know don't always prefer their own country's skaters as a matter of course, but have favourite "styles" which transcend boundaries.
 
I like both men and ladies. But when a male skater appears sort of narcissistic, I just cannot watch him too many times. Yet I haven't had that feeling when I watch female skaters. Don't know why though.

I also like pairs and ice-dancing. But when I watch pairs, I tend to watch the female skater more, because she has more to show off (e.g., lift, throw jump).

When I watch ice-skating, I think I am watching both. Especially, when I watch Denkova & Staviski, I would be watching only Maxim Staviski because he has great charm of his own.
 
Pairs in essence, is a take off on ballet's Pas de Deux, which the male partner is there definitely the lady. But then, What Would She Do Without Him?

Joe
 
Does anybody know if the ladies' skating or the men's skating was a clear favorite category in US in the 80's when Scott Hamilton and Brian Boitano were around?
 
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Scott Hamilton got Olympics gold in 1984. I don't know who got gold in Ladis' in that year. Brian Boitano got gold in 1989 Olympics in that famous the Battle Of The Brians where Brian Orsor of Canada got silver. Katarina Witt of Germany got gold in Ladies' in that year.

I'm supposed that men's skating should be a clear favor in US at that time, but I don't know the fact.
 
My impression was that even though Scott Hamilton and Brian Boitano became fairly well-known celebrities in the U.S., still figure skating continued to be regarded as a women's sport during those years.
 
I feel that I have seen more boys/guys on the rink than in ballet or jazz dance studios. Especially, few boys/guys learn classical ballet. Hip-hop is an exception, where I see more guys than girls. There are lots of guys who love to dance, and those who love to watch guys dance. But the traditional elegant style that is often preferred in figure skating may be making it a bit difficult to be accepted more widely as a male sport. I also feel that older generations who were raised in cultures with more rigid gender roles seem to have more difficulty appreciating beauty in male dancers.
 
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Battle of the Carmens, same as the Battle of the Brians - 1988

LAdies' Olympic Champ in 1984 - Katarina Witt (her first of two wins :))
 
You have to realize that Americans do not have minds of their own. They seek guidance constantly. If the media pushes cute little girls as the epitome of figure skating as was the case with america's first sweetheart: Sonia Henie, and constantly reminded the Americans of the 3 gold Oly medals then that's what the Sport was to become. It really never grew up except with quads that the media can't sell. ONLY IN AMERICA

Joe
 
I don't think American media is the only one that has that type of power... there are many countries who follow whatever the media tells it

think Bagdad Bob (ok well, maybe they didn't believe him - but Iraq did have a very controlled media and therefore many ideas of the country were skewed lol)
 
Does anybody know if the ladies' skating or the men's skating was a clear favorite category in US in the 80's when Scott Hamilton and Brian Boitano were around?

I think Brian and Scott were the big stars in the U.S. skating world in the 1980s and into the 1990s -- and still are.

Both Brian and Scott headlined their own tours in the 1980s-early 1990s -- that is, they were the ones who created the tours and were the driving force behind those tours. Yes, both were thought to "need" a big-name female to co-star with them, but Brian and Scott were the stars of their tours -- it wasn't Rosalynn Sumners' Stars on Ice or Debi Thomas', nor was it Katarina Witt's Skating tour -- it was Scott Hamilton's Stars on Ice and the Boitano-Witt Skating tours (which were created by Brian, who asked Kat to be his co-star). And both Brians starred with Katarina in Carmen on Ice and all three won Emmys. And from the time Boitano started competing at Landover, the men's competition at that event was the wrap-up of the night of competition -- in its first prime-time foray (I think they showed an hour of the tech programs on a Thursday or Friday night before showing the artistics the next day), Torvill & Dean and Boitano were the featured skaters. Brian and Scott were, I think, the biggest U.S. draws in skating during those years (Dorothy Hamill was ALWAYS a big draw, but even she, I don't think, trumped Brian and Scott from about 1984 through about 1994 or so).

Boitano has had, what, nine or 10 straight years of headlining his"show in the Disson group of shows (well, it started before Disson was really involved, but it's been "Brian Boitano's Skating Spectacular" all along) and he had a whole series of shows that his production company did that he was the headliner for (the Skating Romance series, Three Masters that featured three guys as the stars, Skating Kicks Back, etc..) and Scott had his own Scott Hamilton and Friends show for several years. Brian had his own TV special (Brian's worked with ABC directly, before they were Disney-owned, and they put up the money for him to skate on a glacier in Alaska and go over to what was then still East Germany to film stuff with Katarina over ther), and Scott did later on, too. In both cases, those guys were the stars (it was Brian Boitano's Canvas of Ice and Scott Hamilton Upside-Down). Peggy Fleming and Dorothy Hamill had had TV specials before, but these were the first specials starring male figure skaters. And Scott had a special when he returned to the ice after his cancer treatment ("Scott Hamilton Back on the Ice). Both have also done commentary, both have produced shows as well as skated in them. Brian headlined Tommy's tour for several years, as well.

I think Brian and Scott were pretty big figure skating "stars" in their time (and still are, for that matter) -- they could get a project out in front of people by the power of their own names. Maybe they haven't had all the same opportunities that Kristi, Nancy and Michelle have had, but they've got pretty impressive resumes behind their names, and have certainly accomplished as much or more than any of their female contemporaries. And I think they're recognized, respected and loved for who they are and what they've done. Yes, there is that problem with "perception" of male figure skaters that has probably kept them from accomplishing even more (after all, Scott was dropped from Ice Capades because they didn't think a male headliner was what they wanted -- but he proved them wrong, didn't he?), but overall, I think those two guys were two of the biggest draws, if not the biggest draws, in U.S. figure skating through that heyday of skating of the mid-80s to mid-90s.

There hasn't been another "big" male star in the U.S. since then that matched the accomplishments and charisma those two guys have. But still, Paul Wylie and Todd Eldredge both became pretty big names. Johnny and Evan are still in the getting-to-know-you stage and have as yet not had the accomplishments of some of the other guys -- but give them time.

For me, men's skating has always been my favorite -- it just has more excitement. I like ladies and pairs and to a point, dance, but men's is my favorite.
 
Yes but Scott's and Brian's tours (Brian's got bought out by COI, which he headlined until he left the show) ate the pants off of Ice Capades (which Hamill bought and it put her into bankruptcy)

so yeah I can seen Hamilton and Boitano's fame being greater than their female counter parts (all of whom were named above)
 
Yes but Scott's and Brian's tours (Brian's got bought out by COI, which he headlined until he left the show) ate the pants off of Ice Capades (which Hamill bought and it put her into bankruptcy)

so yeah I can seen Hamilton and Boitano's fame being greater than their female counter parts (all of whom were named above)

Uh, Brian's show got bought out by SOI, not COI. It was Stars and Scott that didn't want the competition. Brian was then offered a spot on SOI, but chose to go back and skate with COI (or the Tour of Champions, as it was then called). Katarina was originally not offered a spot in SOI, but after 1994, SOI again offered for Brian, he again chose to go with COI, and Katarina chose to go with SOI.
 
mememe, Thank you for the little history telling about those days. I am very interested in it. I loved Brian Boitano's skating. But when I started to follow figure skating closely, Scott Hamilton has already been called "the father of the skating" by a commentator on TV.:)
 
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jenny - I didn't mean it was the same thing, just meant it was teh same year LOL

battle of the Carmens was between Kat Witt and Debi Thomas...

Uh, Brian's show got bought out by SOI, not COI. It was Stars and Scott that didn't want the competition. Brian was then offered a spot on SOI, but chose to go back and skate with COI (or the Tour of Champions, as it was then called). Katarina was originally not offered a spot in SOI, but after 1994, SOI again offered for Brian, he again chose to go with COI, and Katarina chose to go with SOI.

oh well, can't be right all the time, can I? :chorus:
 
Well, at one board I know, every thread in which Lysacek's name is mentioned turns into a bash-Evan festival (he won, Johnny lost, get over it.)

I think most of the "Evan bashing" in those threads is a reaction to Evan's bone-headed comments about how macho he is in comparison to those [i[other[/i] guys, and have little or nothing to do with his win over Johnny. He's got kind of a bad case of foot-in-mouth sometimes, lol. But lately, there's been some pretty bitchy sniping back and forth via the press and MySpace. It's rather amusing, imo :)

I don't know if I buy the notion that the ladies get so much more attention from FS fans. Maybe from casual fans, but it seems to me that there's quite a bit of interest in the guys here and at FSU, etc. For better or worse, at FSU (and here, to a certain extent) there's no better way to get a multi-page thread going than to mention Johnny, lol. The guys just bring the drama more right now than the ladies. There are more divas in Men's at this point than Ladies, that's for sure.
 
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