How? Her toe jumps are terrible.
Adelina has bigger jumps, though I think Liza's jumps would always have better quality.
How? Her toe jumps are terrible.
I don't think they have the best scoring potential at all. Other girls have better jumps and their PCS scores from judge reputation aren't that high so judges don't even care who they are. So if judges don't even care who they to give them good PCS and other girls can jump better how would not sending them be a disaster. Liza especially on PCS but with Adelina's jumps even if her PCS is higher than lizas it is all wiped out by all of her horrible jump problems on triple toe, lutz, flip, double axel etc.
At euros you're talking about a kostner that did two double salchows. She also didn't have the 3/3 she did at worls. falling on the triple salchow and triple in the SP were much better things to do and do not compare to the double salchow errors she had in euros. Always better to fall than double or single - always. It was also not one competition for Sotnikova. She made mistakes all season long and didn't even medal at a GP she was in and did not make the GPF - Tuktamisheva and Lipnitskaia did.
Sotnikova, when she's clean.
Liza and Adelina get much higher PCS than other Russian skaters, other than maybe Lipnitskaia. Here are their personal bests:
Sotnikova: 30.20/63.99 (SP/FS)
Tuktamysheva: 27.70/61.65
Lipnitskaia: 27.85/57.43
Radionova: 26.22/54.16
Korobeynikova: 27.17/52.21
Gosviani: 23.21/52.97
Pogorilaya: 24.60/50.10
Leonova: 30.04/61.82 (although that was in 2011, and she's declined unfortunately)
Makarova: 29.09/60.08 (again, in 2011, and she's been on the decline, too)
Unless Sotnikova/Tuktamysheva lose all of their jumps come next season (or Leonova/Makarova somehow regain theirs), it's insane to not send at least one of Sot/Tuk. Sotnikova/Tuktamysheva already have an 8-10 point PCS advantage over any other Russian girl (other than Lipnitskaia) in the FS alone. To suggest the international judges would suddenly give another Russian girl (again, other than Lipnitskaia) comparable PCS is ridiculous. That's why not sending them would be a disaster. Even if Pogorilaya/Korobeynikova/Gosviani skated perfectly in Sochi, they would have a hard time cracking the top 5, whereas a perfect Sotnikova/Tuktamysheva/Lipnitskaia at least have a shot (if even a distant one) at the medals with perfect skates.
And as Moment pointed out, two double salchows is far less severe than a popped loop and a downgraded fall on a 3S... like, I don't even need to do the math to point that out, but anyways: Kostner's two double salchows at EC = 1.75 points, Kostner's popped loop and downgraded fall at WC = 0.34 points. Not to mention, the loop and fall (preventing her from ending with the music properly) were likely much more detrimental to her PCS. A 2S is better than a 1L, and a fall is usually better than a double/single IF the jump isn't downgraded (meaning it's essentially a double with a fall -- that 3S<<(fall) actually ended up being negative points for Kostner with the -1.00 deduction).
Yes, but Julia has a lip problem and both Julia/Anna aren't good as Adelina when it comes to PCS.
How? Her toe jumps are terrible.
When she's CLEAN. As in, strong, big, and technically correct jumps.
Anyway, my opinion. Liza's jumps are good, but they often look labored and small due to her lack of speed.
When she's CLEAN. As in, strong, big, and technically correct jumps.
Anyway, my opinion. Liza's jumps are good, but they often look labored and small due to her lack of speed.
The Russian feds are pushing for the wrong girl. They trade in all other girls for her decent PCS, and without the TES to back up, she will never make it.
Aside from Adelina, Liza, and Alena, all the senior-eligible Russian girls are boring and have tiny jumps. They all skate to the same lovely music and hyperextend their bodies. They have zero personality on the ice. There is a reason these three personal best scores are far better than the others.
Aside from Adelina, Liza, and Alena, all the senior-eligible Russian girls are boring and have tiny jumps. They all skate to the same lovely music and hyperextend their bodies. They have zero personality on the ice. There is a reason these three personal best scores are far better than the others.
I said it before but even if this is true about the Russian skaters sotnikova and tuktamisheva could lose to those girls but probably still be on the team anyway. Adelina and Liza have enough flaws that losing to those girls is very possible but I can see that no one Believes anyone but sotnikova or tuktamisheva will be the team.
When did she have technically correct jumps?
Even when she's clean,
Flutz is obviously not technically correct.
Flip entrance is ridiculously unstable with edge switch back and forth like Caroline's worst flip circa 2010.
Loop is just ok.
Salchow is also ok.
Toe jump? Ok, she can't even rotate the 3T most of the time.
2A is just another ok jump.
She just doesn't have anything to fall back on. The Russian feds are pushing for the wrong girl. They trade in all other girls for her decent PCS, and without the TES to back up, she will never make it.
Again, even her best jumps don't gain the kind of GOE 5-10 other girls are getting. Kostner's 3loop, 3Sal, 2A would blow her away. Even Ashley's 3loop and 3Sal would blow her away.
One of the most overhyped and overrated skaters in modern era. If you got nothing good, how do you become the "next" something? Russian hype machine is quite powerful.
I don't know how much clearer I can be.
Technically CORRECT means that she FIXES those issues, which isn't impossible.
The way judges score today any skater who lands a clean jump that is better than Caroline Zhang's will get some kind of positive GOE. Sotnikova's clean jumps are not in the league of Kim, Kostner, Gold, and many others in GOE though.
Do you actually look at protocols before you make these statements? Adelina gets better GOE on clean jumps than Gracie. Adelina got higher GOE on her 3F in her Worlds LP than any jump Gracie did in the LP. In the SP, they both did clean 2A's and Adelina's scored higher.
"no one" believes? I've seen quite a few different opinions, so I think that's quite an exaggeration... Actually, I think a poll would be rather interesting, to find out what people actually DO believe. I'd be interested in seeing the results of such a poll, certainly. If the opinions in this thread is anything to go by, I think it would be quite diverse.
Given that you are the one who said Adelina might beat Yu Na Kim in the SP if both skate cleanly with a triple-triple and that Adelina is stronger technically than Kim if both skate cleanly, it is clear you are a diehard Sotnikova fan who is quite delusional about her abilities however.