Who will break Yuna Kim's record and when?

[gmyers]

Sotnikova in peyongcheng

 

[gmyers]

If Tuktamysheva can become world champion, so can Satoko. At least Satoko actually has programs, and good programs at that.

But she doesn't jump and jumping is very important in fs being a sport

I prefer kostner titles with toes, salchows, loops and maybe a flip over no jump miyahara

 

[sallycinnamon]

Who will break Yuna Kim's record?
When will they break it?
and will that performance "deservingly" break the record?

My answers are:

1. Evgenia Medvedeva could surpass Yuna Kim's FP score if she skates clean at this season's World Championships. She got almost 148 points for her FP in the GPF which is a HUGE number but she can get a better score if she skates as good as in the GPF. Simply because it's the world championships, which means a couple of plus points.
2. World Championships 2016 if Medvedeva skates clean, if not, then then next world record in FP may be only either next year at Worlds or in Pyeongchang 2018
3. simply no

Kim's overall score is huge, and I am not sure if anyone could surpass it before Pyeongchang, because recently the judges don't give near-world-record scores in the short programs (I mean 76-78 points).

 

[MaxSwagg]

But she doesn't jump and jumping is very important in fs being a sport

I prefer kostner titles with toes, salchows, loops and maybe a flip over no jump miyahara

She's still putting in the same amount of energy to do the jumps. And people are so hypocritical on this board. As far as I remember, there were spins and steps, and choreography and other aspects still counted. But if you really want to go there, I would rather watch Boyang than no quad and 3A Jason Brown.

 

[Mathman]

But if you really want to go there, I would rather watch Boyang than no quad and 3A Jason Brown.

That is music to gmyers' ears.

 

[Mrs. P]

That is music to gmyers' ears.

So the ISU don't have world records, per se, but the Guinness World Records do, so should the thread be -- who can break Yuna Kim's Guinness World Record than?

(ETA: The thread title works well cause it's asking who can beak the personal best from Yuna. Okay then! :thumbsup:

I'd love someone break Yuna Kim's record in a three-piece suit. http://www.itv.com/news/central/upd...aks-half-marathon-record-in-three-piece-suit/

 

[Mathman]

I'd love someone break Yuna Kim's record in a three-piece suit.

http://www.itv.com/news/central/upd...aks-half-marathon-record-in-three-piece-suit/

I think Nam Nguyen holds that record in the men's division.

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/46...z/jfv4WE8dUqnb/8Lz0nZ6WMQmsVBhNyfoSim9NKY7w==

 

[SarahSynchro]

I think Nam Nguyen holds that record in the men's division.

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/gc/46...z/jfv4WE8dUqnb/8Lz0nZ6WMQmsVBhNyfoSim9NKY7w==

And Andrew Poje in dance.

http://fs-gossips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/weaver-and-poje.jpg

How about Andrew Poje in a three piece banana suit?

http://ohtheseskaters.tumblr.com/image/18253940050

 

[cheerknithanson]

And Andrew Poje in dance.

http://fs-gossips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/weaver-and-poje.jpg

How about Andrew Poje in a three piece banana suit?

http://ohtheseskaters.tumblr.com/image/18253940050

Oh dear gosh....

 

[Ares]

I can see Medvedeva getting WR in LP but I don't see her doing the same for SP. Mao has potential to do both as she's current holder of SP best result and that without 3-3 combination (though with 3 axel). It does not matter much though.

 

[4everchan]

i'd peel that banana

And Andrew Poje in dance.

http://fs-gossips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/weaver-and-poje.jpg

How about Andrew Poje in a three piece banana suit?

http://ohtheseskaters.tumblr.com/image/18253940050

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agreed

I can see Medvedeva getting WR in LP but I don't see her doing the same for SP. Mao has potential to do both as she's current holder of SP best result and that without 3-3 combination (though with 3 axel). It does not matter much though.

 

[moriel]

I disagree about SP.
Mao may hold the SP best result, but this season she has been behind Evgenia in SP. I really doubt she can get any close to her record this season.

 

[jenm]

Just want to share this fan cam of Yuna's Olympic FS here.
Her jumps were just SPOT ON. So on point. Huuuge flawless jumps of great quality. Her 3Lz-3T just went out of the frame.

 

[Dan]

GOE on triples and triple combos were free to range from -3 to +3 up to 2010. Afterwards, they were factored, so that the range was limited to -2.1 to 2.1.

In any case this is a ruse, and a poor excuse. The factored GOE has led to judges more freely giving out GOEs in the +2's and +3's, so that its effect was mostly negated.

Also, the technical committee has boosted scoring potential in many other areas including:

1. Increase base value of 3Loop, 3Toe, 3Salchow and 3Axel
2. 10% bonus in the SP for second-half jumps
3. Encouraging judges to use the upper limit of the PCS range

Thank you Krislite for this detail. You seem to have some good knowledge of the judging system, especially historical. Would you help me out some more? How do you know that the factored GOE led to more +2 and +3 after 2010 than before? Is this data published somewhere by the ISU? I would love to examine this kind of data. Also, how does the ISU encourage judges to give higher PCS scores? In fact, how does the ISU ENCOURAGE the judges to do anything?

 

[OS]

Thank you Krislite for this detail. You seem to have some good knowledge of the judging system, especially historical. Would you help me out some more? How do you know that the factored GOE led to more +2 and +3 after 2010 than before? Is this data published somewhere by the ISU? I would love to examine this kind of data. Also, how does the ISU encourage judges to give higher PCS scores? In fact, how does the ISU ENCOURAGE the judges to do anything?

Check out ISUResults protocals. Put them the data into a table and see it rise rise rise


before

http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2010/owg10_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2010/owg10_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf



after

http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

 

[MaxSwagg]

Check out ISUResults protocals. Put them the data into a table and see it rise rise rise


before

http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2010/owg10_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2010/owg10_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf



after

http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/owg2014/owg14_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

There's no way to prove that judges started giving more +2 and +3 specifically because the GOEs were re-scaled.

 

[aa456]

This thread has taken an interesting turn.

seems like most people agree Med may break the LP record if she goes clean. Would be great for her but the pressure may affect her performance a bit like it happened to Liza last year.

Also, not that it matters to the judges, but that weird arm position during Med's tanos always bother the crap out of me. Hope she works on improving those tanos next year.

As far as total score record goes, I hope Mao is able to break it one day because those would be two incredible performances.

 

[OS]

There's no way to prove that judges started giving more +2 and +3 specifically because the GOEs were re-scaled.

Well even with anonymous judging, there are still enough data to speculate the trends. Economists/Property developers can't proof anything either, but they can observe trends, weigh stocks and make analysis to see if such rates are inflated or overvalued, out of synch with reality.

Here are the protocols for WC2009 with possibly one of the greatest short program of all time in ladies figure skating with 3 years veteran 2 times WC medalist, 2 times GPF champion + 1 time GPF silver medalist at that time

http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2009/wc09_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf (4 points higher TES, 1.66 lower PCS, +8.5 GOES, which would be worth = + 5.7 GOEs by today's standard)
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2009/wc09_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

vs a newbie in her first year with an unremarkable SP at GPF 2016.. can't wait for WC2016

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/gpf1516/gpf1516_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf (4 lower TES, 1.66 higher PCS, +7.1 GOES, which would be = +10.2 GOEs by Pre Vancouver scoring standard)
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/gpf1516/gpf1516_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

Bear in mind they have adjusted the scale value, 3T has increased by 0.2, plus there's a half way bonus now. So a 3t/3t is worth 0.44 higher than prior to Vancouver while all other difficult combos reduced their stock by 0.44 in comparison on a relative basis prior to half way point except 3A and 3A combos.

Anyone is interested in stats and trends.. why not review all the protocols and plot trends since the inception of COP and map it according to by nations. It will not surprise me which particular nations sees their skaters climb fastest, which is most obtuse.

The same goes for Men's protocols vs today's +3 GOEs... Yeah, kids ... these are what GOEs used to look like

http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2009/wc09_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2009/wc09_Men_FS_Scores.pdf

Vs today

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/gpf1516/gpf1516_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/gpf1516/gpf1516_Men_FS_Scores.pdf

although it must be said... Men's today simply are

 

[4everchan]

not just GOEs too look at ... PCS too... i am sure it has been mentioned already... but here it is.... PCS ARE GONE MAD

Well even with anonymous judging, there are still enough data to speculate the trends. Economists/Property developers can't proof anything either, but they can observe trends, weigh stocks and make analysis to see if such rates are inflated or overvalued, out of synch with reality.

Here are the protocals for WC2009 with possibly one of the greatest short program of all time in ladies figure skating with a 3 years veteran 2 times wc medalist, 2 times gpf champion + 1 time GPF silver medalist at that time

http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2009/wc09_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf (4 points higher TES, 1.66 lower PCS, +8.5 GOES, which would be worth = + 5.7 GOEs by today's standard)
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2009/wc09_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

vs a newbie in her first year with an unremarkable SP at GPF 2016.. can't wait for WC2016

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/gpf1516/gpf1516_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf (4 lower TES, 1.66 higher PCS, +7.1 GOES, which would be = +10.2 GOEs by Pre Vancouver scoring standard)
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/gpf1516/gpf1516_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf

Bear in mind they have adjusted the scale value, 3T has increased by 0.2, plus there's a half way bonus now. So a 3t/3t is worth 0.44 higher than prior to vancouver, while all other difficult combos reduced their stock by 0.44 in comparison on a relative basis prior to half way point excep 3A and 3A combos.

Anyone is interested in stats and trends.. why not review all the protocals and plot trends since the inception of COP and map it according by nations. It will not surprise me which particular nations sees their skaters climb fastest, which is most obstuse.

The same goes for Men's protocals vs today's +3 GOEs... Yeah kids ... these are what GOEs used to look like

http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2009/wc09_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2009/wc09_Men_FS_Scores.pdf

Vs today

http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/gpf1516/gpf1516_Men_SP_Scores.pdf
http://www.isuresults.com/results/season1516/gpf1516/gpf1516_Men_FS_Scores.pdf

although it must have been said... Men's today simply

 

[moriel]

The GOEs seem pretty fair, specially considering the edge calls