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Why is Sarah H so unpopular with so many?

I have doubts about the theory that Tara was into skating for the money and fame; first of all, when she first articulated her dream of being an OGM at age 3, was it, I doubt she envisioned anything but skating and being first on the podium. I have, however, heard it mentioned that Tara and her mom were disappointed at how they didn't get the lion's share of the fame and adoration normally lavished upon OGMs, like, say, Michelle would have, as MK was US figure skating's favorite heading into those Olympics, and definitely the overwhelming fan favorite here at home. However, seeing how she threw herself into her training in the decade leading up to Nagano, I find it hard to question her dedication to the sport in and of itself, independently of eventual money and fame...JMHO.

Sarah
 
soogar said:
It wouldn't surprise me if perhaps Tara has lost interest in skating since she cannot do the difficult elements anymore. She probably took great pleasure in mastering new jumps and pushing herself athletically and now that's she's lost that, she doesn't feel motivated to get out there and skate.

I can only imagine the physical and emotional pain she's been through--I'm sure she's been through hell and I would not wish that on anyone. I don't think she stayed with skating for the fame & fortune per se; she was driven, she obviously loved the sport, was good at it, began receiving accolades at a young age, which fueled her all the more. I just think that she expected to be THE beloved one after her OGM (which was probably fueled by her Mother) and was disappointed not to be. On the other hand, she had thousands and thousands of fans worldwide and certainly had her share of adoration--it's not like she was shunted off to the side while fans were mobbing Michelle! I think that it's possible that the Lipinskis didn't understand why they had to SHARE the spotlight with Michelle. They underestimated Michelle's popularity, with or without an OGM.

Sarah was apparently satisfied by her moment in the sun, whereas Tara was not. She really is a mediocre actress at best and I really hope she finds a career path that she finds fulfilling.
 
I never questioned Tara's motives. She loved to skate and that was one of her most appealing qualities. Sure, she had flaws as a skater, but lack of enthusiasm was not one of them. Almost all of her performances were filled with energy and (to me) I always got the feeling that she absolutely loved what she was doing. Her Mom seemed to be of a different sort. But, I don't personally know her, so it would be unfair for me to speculate on precisely what type of person she is. However, I have read several stories and quotes that cast Pat Lipinski in a horrible light. At any rate, she supported her daughter and stood by her through it all. That is commendable, even if some of her actions weren't.
 
Tara also had chronic hip pain after the '98 Olympics. I can't think of anything that will suck the life out of anyone's enjoyment of an activity more than severe pain every time they landed a jump. Besides, Tara was making big bucks with SOI and her name as a figure skater. So she's going to give up that kind of money just because Michelle is richer and more popular? It just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Pat Lipinski may have been unable to accept that Tara won the OGM and Michelle got even more fans and money, but ITA with Bronzeisgolden and Sarahmistral. Tara always seemed to genuinely love the sport and if anything, seemed understandably bewildered, as any 15-16-year-old would be, that she would get so much flack from both certain factions of figure skating fans and the media for doing what she thought she was supposed to do--win.
Rgirl
 
ITA with those who say that Tara obviously loved the sport and that the joy was evident in her performances, interviews, etc...and that she was probably more interested in the difficult jumps rather than expressing herself.

I don't think that she has that same sort of love affair going on with acting at all. She spoke in an interview last year about how much she loved the red carpet, getting her picture taken, etc... I've never heard her comment on any of the films she actually sees at those red carpet events, nor does she ever talk about actors, acting, craft, etc...

I actually think she's come somewhat adicted to the trapings of fame that skating brought her.

I've always find it puzzling when skaters who are much criticised for their artestry try thier hand at an acting career.

As for Team Tara and their reaction to sharing the Oly spotlight: I have a theory. It all goes back to that famous story about Calgary and the tupperware bowl podium. What did the Lipinski's see? They saw Kat win and get lavished with the type of booty reserved for queens. They saw Debi skulk off into the shaddows of bitter disapointment. They saw Liz's winning Lp almost forgotten overnight in the blaze of Kat's 'to the victor go the spoils 'stardome.

I don't think that they really understood the 4plus years of fame and accomplishment that built up to Kat's Carmen corination.

I also don't think they understood Kat's crafty manipulation of the media. I find them naive media wise. They sought out the media and welcomed it into their homes, into their private moments, but then couldn't control it. I see honest disbelief on their faces that they could receive anything but unadulterated adoration. It's like the neagtive side of fame never occured to them.

Tara's reaction to sharing the spotlight with MK? Well, let's not forget she was an only child.
 
Eyria said:
I don't think I agree with the argument that skaters are too exhausted to go to Worlds after the Olympics. Nor do I agree that the skating season has too many events.

I mean, for goodness sake, NBA players participate in 82 games or more a season, traveling all the time. Tennis players play in who knows how many tournaments a season--at least 20--under much tougher conditions than skaters face (extreme heat and sun, multi-hour matches). And baseball players play even more games than NBA players, also while traveling.
Eyria,
The difference I see is that figure skating is a highly specialized, highly demanding individualized sport whereas some of the sports you mentioned, such as basketball and baseball, are team sports. Not that these players don't work hard, but think how many pro, ie, elite, baseball, basketball, football, soccer, etc. players there are vs. how many elite figure skaters there are. The fact that there are only a handful in the world who can consistently skate a clean high-level program speaks volumes, at least to me, about the physical prowess needed and mental pressures on a competitive figure skater. Also, if your team is going to the equivalent of the World Championships for your sport and you get injured and can't participate, the team can still win. In figure skating, the skater is the team, or in pairs and ice dancing, the team can't go on without both skaters.

As for tennis, it is definitely a highly demanding sport physically, but it doesn't carry with it the high-risk elements that figure skating does. Also, figure skaters are younger than most tennis players. And as we've seen with teenage tennis phenoms over the past 20 years, a lot of them can't take the pressure, eg, Jennifer Capriotti.

I'd compare figure skating to a sport such as gymnastics. There are only a few major gymnastics competitions a year for elite gymnasts because of the toll gymnastics takes on the body. Also, like figure skating, the women in the sport are younger than female athletes in other sports, which makes them more vulnerable to injury because the skeleton is not fully developed and less able to handle the mental pressures because of less maturity and also because of trying to balance school with their sport. This seemed to be a factor in Sarah's decision not to go to Worlds.

Finally, elite figure skaters train at a very high level of intensity during the figure skating season. Because of the way things are spread out right now, there's no time that a top skater can really take off for more than a week or 10 days at the most. Because the training sessions are so highly focused--being either just the skater and the coach, choreographer, or off-ice trainer--it's a matter of physical, mental, and emotional stress. I'm not saying skaters are exhausted in the sense that they just can't drag themselves to Worlds. However, if you've ever prepared intensely for anything over a period of weeks--midterms, finals, the SATs, a business deal, whatever--and experienced the post "exam-high exhaustion" that gives you some idea of what figure skaters go through after every competition.

I think what has happened with the increase in number of events is that skaters can only go "up and down" so many times a season before they start to burn out, both physically and mentally. It's not something everyone can control, depending on individual differences. With the super pressure of the Olympics, which is basically like Super Worlds, I think a lot of skaters who win the OGM, crash out after that high and simply can't get it back up in time for Worlds, especially when there is no real incentive to do so. Anyway, I think there are a lot of good things to the GP series and the ISU cheesefests, which I mentioned, but I think they do impact on the number of skaters who choose to go onto Worlds after they've won the Olympics. If a skater's goal is to win so many World championships or so many in a row, eg Yagudin, nothing short of severe injury is going to keep that skater from going to Worlds. But if the OGM is the skater's goal and they've achieved everything else, I can completely understand him/her not going to Worlds. After all, if they do anything less than win Worlds, it tarnishes their Olympic achievement. In those cases, I think the risks outweigh the benefits.


Mathman said:
I disagree about the cheesefests, Rgirl. There's nothing wrong with making money, whether you are a performer or the ISU. Plus, the public gets to see their favorites in a venue that is more for fun than for nail-biting competition (such as the International Figure Skating challenge in Detroit, LOL.) Then, too, if your take on the Grand Prix is the right one -- that it's purpose is to allow younger and less experienced skaters to be seen by the judges -- then the top people could skip this series, as Michelle and others have chosen to do lately.
Mathman,
ITA. That's why I said those things about the GP series. However I think it gets to be a catch-22. A skater starts out wanting to get GP assignments so s/he can get experience, exposure in front of international judges, and hopefully prize money and wants to get invited to ISU events for some of the same reasons--plus as you said, the fans like it and it makes money for the ISU (they hope). Then once the skater becomes top ranked and a crowd draw by doing what they mean to do--win and get lots of fans--they're inundated with offers, not only for the GP and ISU series, but for touring, which, lest we forget, starts right after Worlds. So once they achieve what they want, things may get so demanding that in an Olympic year, they may be too injured or burned out to attend Worlds.

With added touring, it's not as if the top ranked skaters are only skating from September through April; they're skating from September through July, with only August off. Even though the last three months is show skating, touring is exhausting. It's even worse for a lot of skaters who have minor injuries, which may need only about four weeks to heal, but that four weeks can cost them upwards of $50,000.

Okay, then, skip a cheesefest. Okay, then risk being in the doghouse with your federation and the ISU. Sasha is already talking about doing only two GP events next fall instead of all three, and IMO, that's how it should work. But will the venue she decides to skip make waves because they'll lose ticket sales? Same thing with the ISU CFs. If a marquee skater decides to skip one, that venue is going to be POd because they won't have the ticket sales.


Like I said, there are a lot of good things to these added events, but there are also some negatives, and I think skating Worlds after you've won the OGM is one of them for a lot of skaters. Also, if you notice, the one discipline where skaters do not tend to skip Worlds after the Olympics is ice dance. Of the four disciplines, ice dance is the least physical intensity. Ice dancing is certainly difficult, but it doesn't require the kind of high-risk motor skills that singles or pairs skating does. The injury rates in ice dancing are not as great, the injuries are not as severe, and ice dancers both peak at a later age and can skate at their peak longer than the other disciplines. I just think the ISU and the individual federations need to take a look at the all the competitive and show expectations put on top skaters, and reconsider their priorities with regard to the skaters and the competitive events.
Rgirl
 
For some fans, not winning Worlds after winning the OGM may tarnish the gold, but it shouldn't. One really has nothing to do with the other. There are so many competitions per season-no one expects that the OG medalist to win all events leading up to the games, so why expect them to win everything afterwards? IIRC Tenley Albright didn't win '56 Worlds.

I really like to see the gold medalists go to Worlds, but I realize that many have compelling reasons not to go. Fear of tarnishing their gold is (to me) not an acceptable reason. When Sarah didn't go, I faulted her for waiting too long before she withdrew. She didn't give the alternate a reasonable length of time to prepare. Then in '03 when she withdrew from 4CC too late for the US to send 3 ladies, she completely lost me as any kind of a fan. I felt it showed selfishness and a sense of entitlement.
 
Tara and Mrs. Lipinski

Mr. and Mrs. Lipinski were originally from my hometown, and I always felt they have gotten a bad break from the press. In the sort of blue-collar New Jersey atmosphere they were from, there is less of a taboo about talking about money than there might be in other subcultures. I know many people similar to Mrs. Lipinski who will come out and ask people how much they make, and be very open about wanting more,etc. They are not bad people, and do not do it to be rude. It's normal to them, and they see themselves as being very honest about admitting desires everyone has.

As for Tara being an only child--so what? If you ask me, only only children should be pursuing the sport, unless the parents are extremely rich. Would you want to skip your family vacation or something because Mom and Dad spent all of the money on sibling's skating lessons and costumes? I can imagine the resentment that must go on some of these families, even if they don't speak about it to the press.

If Tara was greedy about getting attention and endorsements--and I don't think she necessarily was--it's because of her personality, not her number of siblings.

As for her acting--well, she never really went to school, and she's already probably too famous to just chuck it all and enter another career, so what option is left open to her if she can't skate? Just announcing, which she probably will wind up doing someday.
 
I think Tara would make a great announcer; I found her to be very articulate for a 14-year-old--cf. the incredibly inarticulate 14 year old tennis phenom Jennifer Capriati. Seems the gift of good gab really is a gift:)

Sarah
 
If Tara was greedy about getting attention and endorsements--and I don't think she necessarily was--it's because of her personality, not her number of siblings.

exactly... don't go knocking only children... I'm one(well until recently now that we've almost adopted Duane) and I turned out ok.
 
I agree with you Sarahminstal on Tara's articulateness. She was polished both on and off the ice which might be why she was so disliked b/c she seemed packaged. It's not too late for Tara to do something different with her life. She's only 21 or 22 and she probably graduated high school. If she wants to go to college she'll get in somewhere decent. But why does she need to go? The way I see it, she can do her little acting thing b/c it's not as though she's starving for the money and when she gets tired of it, she'll marry a nice rich man and start a family , do a little commentary. whatever.

Maybe she'll even return to skating.

I do think the Lipinskis got a bad rap. MK's father pushed himself and his daughters just as hard the Lipinskis. I think there was just this need to portray the Lipinskis who are wealthy as evil while the middle class Kwans are saints. Just my 2 cents on that.
 
I do not like Sarah Hughes, I probably never have and probably never will. its just her attitude, and I do think she has changed since the 2002 Winter Olympics. I did think she skated well when she won gold. but now she has seemed to be more stuck up. probably thinking that she is better than everyone else. which from my opinion SHES NOT!
 
probably thinking that she is better than everyone else. which from my opinion SHES NOT!

Angel, we've welcomed you to the board, now comes the Overbearing Adults..... Unless you are a mindreader, you probably DON'T KNOW what Sarah is thinking. From all reports I hear, Sarah has gone out of her way to be "just Sarah" at a school where she could well play off her success and fame.

While I TOTALLY support your right to feel anyway you want to about ANY skater, I would remind you (and anyone else) that unless we KNOW the skaters personally or know someone well that has that kind of close access to be in the know, we can't POSSIBLY know the goings on in someone else's head.

Haven't you ever been TOTALLY misread by someone? Has anyone ever said to you " you know, I didn't like you at first, but once I got to know you I changed my mind and I think you're great?" Almost everyone I know has. How would you like to be labled "stuck up" by someone that only knows you through tv or pictures?
 
I think some fans have the attitude that the elite skaters somehow owe us (the fans) something. It's evident to me through some of the comments of certain "rabid" fans who totally worship certain elite skaters. As a result, some fans feel ownership of individual skaters. So....what I'm getting at is that as a result of this mindset, it is expected by some fans that skaters should follow a certain protocol. I think some fans view Sarah Hughes as having betrayed the sport by her exit.

I was surprised by the poster who expressed a dislike for Sarah and her choices in such brutal way. Sarah is far from my favorite skater of all time but I do admit that this young woman is an outstanding individual. She is pursuing what is best for her and I salute her not only for her fabulous gold medal performance at the Olympics but her determination to seek an education and go after another dream.

These skaters don't owe us anything but the best performance they can give at any given competition or show. They have achieved their elite skating status by hard work and determination. What they do with their lives is not our business. What they choose to share of their personal lives is totally their call.

As far as egos go......all the elite skaters have big egos. No way could they achieve the elite skater status without it. Yes, even Michelle Kwan.

Sarah Hughes is an amazing young woman. Every parent should be so lucky to have such a child.

Dizzy
 
IceAngel2007 said:
another thing, i dont care what people think of me. i really dont.

How charming. As if I don't hear enough bratty teenagers on the Skytrain every day; now I get to read it here too.
 
dfj said:
How charming. As if I don't hear enough bratty teenagers on the Skytrain every day; now I get to read it here too.

im sorry you think im bratty, just because I dont let people put me down w/ words or anything.
 
I think Sarah was berated by some Internet fans simply because they had already coronated their favorite [ And it was not just MK that was coronated. Many had given the gold to Sasha after Nats 2000.] before anyone took ice at SLC. I think it irked them beyond comprehension that Sarah had that skate and their favorite didn't. To add fuel to their rage, Sarah, like all skaters, had faults in her skating. But all in all, I don't think Sarah has been trashed remotely close to other skaters.

On the Tara versus Sarah deal. I think a lot of that is purely perception. I'll give Tara the joy factor, but Sarah certainly served up her own dose of joy in SLC. As far as maturity, I see Sarah as light years ahead of Tara. I think in addition to that, Tara has presented herself, then and now, as a fame monger. Sarah always came across to me as a normal girl who loved to skate, not a girl who loved the fame that came along with it. That to me is more appealing, but what the heck do I know?
 
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