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Just my opinion, but Yang and Peng look much better together. They seem to match more. Sorry folks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbDS1YuNvMg
I love it, so much personality from both of them!
Yu/Jin & Peng/Zhang switch partners
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I love it, so much personality from both of them!
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They look like they have more chemistry, maybe it's just me, I don't know, haha.
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Yeah, I've watched the Peng/Jin program several times already. They are doing so well together in such a short time and it's a great program (just not sure why the music gets so fast at the end when they're doing the lift, I'd change that).
Yeah, "enough already" is dismissive to me. And nobody said Hao Zhang is an enemy, he just doesn't seem to care about his partners- that is a common opinion. And when a girl doesn't feel that her partner cares about her well being and performs a throw based on technical aspect only- I do what I was taught to do, if she falls that is her mistake- that is visible. I had that feeling before from a few pairs, even from Volosozhar when she skated her last two seasons with Morozov who now coaches her- I just hate to cringe in my seat when I see that kind of attitude and fear for a girl.
I've been reading and listening to a few interviews from girls who experienced this kind of mistrust towards their partners and had decided to either switch do dance or single skating and I think I understand what they feel. Sport is dangerous and when you skate with a partner you need to trust each other therefore you get to feel safe. That's all. This is where my concern is.
So sure we will see if our fears were right or wrong when they compete. But... if there is this kind of attitude in a partner which was present there for at least two previous partnerships- it is very unlikely that it will change. So good luck to Yu, she really needs to be strong and if skating is the only option for her right now- she really needs to train hard and be the best athlete she can be.
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I'm looking forward to watching a Chinese pairs skater perform now
I think their body lines match more, like their knee action, and their height difference looks like a better match as I think Peng is just a little shorter, I believe, than Yu, not that I've followed watching them a lot, but I recall Yu has long legs and looks taller just standing next to Jin. Yu seems a strong skater though (she is slender, but she doesn't look fragile), which is probably why (I'm just guessing), perhaps, the Chinese Fed decided to pair her up with Zhang.- Joined
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Dan Zhang always had good things to say about Hao. I believe she trusted him very much. People used to refer to them as "Beauty and the Beast" and Dan disliked people calling them that, saying "he is handsome and kind." Also, in Turin, after Dan's awful fall on the quad throw, Hao was as caring and supportive as any pair partner could be, when helping her off the ice.
Ohh, that was a nasty fall. I thought she wouldn't be able to skate after that. I wish I could see more of that attitude from him. I don't remember any.
On Russian threads Hao is called Daddy and his partners are called daughters. Due to age difference and visuals too. Doesn't add positive vibes to overall Pair image. Hao looked much better with Dan. And she always seem to be strong to me, like she matched him a lot.
On Russian threads Hao is called Daddy and his partners are called daughters. Due to age difference and visuals too. Doesn't add positive vibes to overall Pair image. Hao looked much better with Dan. And she always seem to be strong to me, like she matched him a lot.
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Not yet until the new season is finally arrived as this is off-season. Many FS fans tend to take a break during the time, so I guess this news will be still the very first time encounter for them. I feel sympathy for them already...
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So feeling bad for the girl that made it known she didn't like the switch is now a bad or stupid thing?
Exactly this. I don't think Zhang hurts his partners on purpose - and I don't think any one here thought that - but he's not coming off very supportive to me (with the prime example being P/Z's 2016 worlds SP). But that's not all of it - I think the whole situation that comes with him (which he is not directly to blame for either) is making it so difficult for any of his partners now. He's definitely the star of the team. Because he's been around the longest and brought home medals before. So instead of really "being" Peng or Yu, they are basically Zhangs partner. And even if the people watching them don't feel like that, I'm sure the girls do. And then they are under so much more pressure to perform well compared to skating with someone like Jin. This doesn't add up well, and if you then enter a partner who just shows the slightest signs of caring for you less then for your placement and medals, it's bound to mess with your head.
And given how much better Peng already looks, I can't help but think it's confirmation of that. Now Yu on the other hand - as much as I love her - she isn't that much stronger a jumper than Peng is. It might have well been having a better partner/being in a better situation. And now, with all that much pressure, I'm not sure she'll deliver better than Peng did. Which would mean Zhang will have gained nothing. And the question if P/J have more potential than Y/J is kind of irrelevant - we've seen Sui/Han and Yu/Jin being held back to benefit Zhang before, I'd expect the same to happen to P/J. Having a better pair to be held back isn't really worth all that drama.
I think the competitions results would be very telling if the switch really benefited anyone. But I think that Yu has to become a little warrior and fight for herself. Like I said- if she cannot give up skating and there is no other option other than Hao Zhang- make the best of it, learn, adapt, overcome. It is not easy. But it is easier when you know why you are doing it, when you have a target and you go towards it, when you want to reach that target as much as other members of the team do. She needs to sort this in her head first and get the inner motivation. Many people face the situation when they do what they love being under constant stress- it is not always rewarding and it is hard. But if it's what you want to do- do it. The circumstances may change, they may not. It is always good to keep going rather than stop and stagnate. It does not mean she shouldn't be honest with her feelings because they matter. But she can fight the situation back, she really can, she just have to believe in herself. And I hope she could make her partner adjust to her too if he really wants to win with her.
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I see what you mean and I also feel for Yu, but I also felt for Peng before ... sometimes you just can't keep what you want - it's out of your hands. But Yu has a huge chance in the next two years that she wouldn't have with Jin and I just hope that she'll be able to make the best out of it. I think that Yu/Zhang really do have potential.
What impressed be most about Peng/Jin's SP was that it was so unexpected. I asked that before, but no one answered - does anyone know wether David or Lori choreographed their SP? I think that it was David, athough the funny poses and stuff looks like something Lori would make a skater do. I don't know, but I think the idea was brillant. I didn't think that Jin would have it in him, but we have seen moments where Peng was very expressive in the past. It's obviously a very natural thing for them. Remember how Lipnitskaya struggled with her lightweight and a bit tacky (and I mean that in a positive way) SP at the beginning of last season? That's not an easy thing to do for any skater. I'd say it's the most difficult thing for some. The choreography gave Peng/Jin a personality of their own, people and judges are going to remember them for it. Yu/Zhang's SP is very well put together and it fits them well - but it's certainly not something I'm going to remember in five years (exept for the drama it involved). But I'll remember Peng/Jin's SP for sure.
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David choreographed YZ's SP and PJ's LP. Lori choreographed YZ's LP and PJ's SP.
Thanks. Sometimes Lori really is brillant.
Here is where I have a completely different viewpoint. To me funny programs should be done with a lot of artistry and not just a bit of good mood and smile to be remembered. Like EX Cappellini Lanotte did last season. That was brilliant. Do I remember funny competitive programs? Emm, Savchenko Szolkovy had Pink Panther, that one was good and fun to watch and it was very artistic.
And all the dramatic programs are easily forgotten either. If you watch the competitions for years you tend to forget anyway. Only very few amazing ones stay out, especially from those you admire the most. So I don't expect anything unforgettable in every way from both teams at this moment. But who knows...
I wish I knew who choreographed both new pairs SP's too. I saw a few pictures over the internet (from weibo) of former Russian dancer Ekaterina Reazanova and she works in China right now. I saw Yu I think at one of the pictures too. So maybe (maybe) she contributes to those little funny poses too, she was all smily and shiny during her career with Ilya Tkachenko years ago.
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I think it's more difficult to be engaging and funny (without being childish) in a competitive program. I'm more into competitive programs and I tend to remember the programs I liked. We have seen beautiful and/or techniqually great Chinese pair teams in the past. Sui/Han are a bit different and pair teams have to be a bit different to stick out if they want to be successful. So when they're going to skate their first competion this is going to make a huge difference. They're not going to be the new pair made up by the weaker skaters of their previous partnerships, but the nice new pair who's having a blast out there. Maybe the audience and the judges are not going to remember the program, but they're going to remember that.Here is where I have a completely different viewpoint. To me funny programs should be done with a lot of artistry and not just a bit of good mood and smile to be remembered. Like EX Cappellini Lanotte did last season. That was brilliant. Do I remember funny competitive programs? Emm, Savchenko Szolkovy had Pink Panther, that one was good and fun to watch and it was very artistic.
And all the dramatic programs are easily forgotten either. If you watch the competitions for years you tend to forget anyway. Only very few amazing ones stay out, especially from those you admire the most. So I don't expect anything unforgettable in every way from both teams at this moment. But who knows...
I wish I knew who choreographed both new pairs SP's too. I saw a few pictures over the internet (from weibo) of former Russian dancer Ekaterina Reazanova and she works in China right now. I saw Yu I think at one of the pictures too. So maybe (maybe) she contributes to those little funny poses too, she was all smily and shiny during her career with Ilya Tkachenko years ago.
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I do think the split would have received some negative responses from fans no matter what, most likely questioning whether it even helped in terms of getting better results and whether it was fair to judge Yu/Jin's potential since they've had success despite a lack of support. Many who have been observing the Chinese pairs in the past few seasons have questioned whether Yu/Jin even had proper attention and care since they were relegated to lower tier. Examples of that include: not getting new routines, getting "less-than" costumes and choreography, and then denied a spot at Worlds after consistently placing higher than Peng/Zhang this season just so the favorite Zhang can go and to probably help prepare for this split, which would have been more difficult had Yu/Jin went and had a respectable placement.
However, I don't think the reactions would have been as strong as they have been if wasn't for Yu's own comments regarding the split (and how she's continuing to make similar comments). It raised a lot of red flags for people, and the way the Chinese Fed reacted wasn't the best way to do damage control. I don't think that simply fanned the flames, but created even more fires.
However, I don't think the reactions would have been as strong as they have been if wasn't for Yu's own comments regarding the split (and how she's continuing to make similar comments). It raised a lot of red flags for people, and the way the Chinese Fed reacted wasn't the best way to do damage control. I don't think that simply fanned the flames, but created even more fires.
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Zhang at the show looked much older and fatigued than usual which means his showings last season. Of course he is several month older from himself at Worlds. Some can say that he might have no time to take a rest by adapting to the new circumstance, but that also happened the same to the other three skaters. I don't know what is his actual age, but given the look, I can't picture that he will be with Yu at Beijing Olympics regardless of his strong will and the federation's hope. His body can not hold the strength he currently has by the time the Olympics starts (6 years from now). That is the nature of life. Therefore, I think his best shot will be at Pyeongchang in my opinion, but the top contenders already can do higher technical contents and establish their high PCS. If the new team can stand on the podium at the Olympics, it would be a big upset, but doubtful. At Beijing, things will get much harder. I hope that the federation doesn't push Yu to acquire more difficult contents until Pyongchang in order to make the new team be the No. 1 Chinese team. I still think that the federation is very short-sighted.
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I've just seen the new SPs and the 'say something' EX (I didn't do it earlier because I wasn't sure my heart would handle it)....and I was pleasantly surprised: I think Peng/Jin are awesome together, Yu's regal quality matches pretty well with Zhang and their twist is already superb. I loved the exhibiton too, but knowing the background made it a bit uncomfortable to watch. To be honest Xiaoyu's sad face made me die a little bit inside, but apart from that it wasn't as disastrous as I expected....which is kind of essential since I would like to see three Chinese teams at Olympics and Sui is still on a wheelchair!
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