Yulia Lipnitskaya

[Spiral]

I've looked at her ask, and was happy to find that somebody had asked her if she'd had a clean run-through of her LP in practice, and she replied, "More than just once or twice." So there's definite progress! I thought it a pity she couldn't compete at SA, but maybe if she did well at COR and then did a B before Nationals, and did well there, it would convince the Rus Fed.

Somebody also asked her about Urmanov's main trait, and she said, "Realibility."

 

[louisinsane]

Really good news. Here is an entry from a few minutes ago on Ask:

Will you watch nightly broadcast with SA?) qu125

I exercise and treatment.

I'd like to fix the translation just a bit )
She said "I've got trainings and regime (meaning sports regimen or schedule)" which means that, hopefully, treatment has already gone

 

[Alba]

I think any forum is the mix: - mix of opinions, discussions, rumors and real information.

Oh no sorry. You are russian and I understand isn't nice to bash your own but that forum is total nuts. :eeking: And this is coming from somebody who loves your country and your FS.


@All: so I am out of the loop here. What happened to my girl? Why isn't she in SA?

 

[mish]

@All: so I am out of the loop here. What happened to my girl? Why isn't she in SA?

Hopefully because she's in a gym, working on her stamina.
Everything else is secondary (or already in place).

 

[sjid]

Oh no sorry. You are russian and I understand isn't nice to bash your own but that forum is total nuts. :eeking: And this is coming from somebody who loves your country and your FS.


@All: so I am out of the loop here. What happened to my girl? Why isn't she in SA?

Yulia fell during practice just before the FS in Bratislava. You may remember there was a lot of concern that she did not complete the FS well. We now know that she dislocated her shoulder and popped it back into place, then skated the FS apparently without medical advice. If you examine the video of KB closely you will see evidence of injury based on movement of left arm after 4 minutes, which is about 30 seconds before the end of the performance (in case there are more than 1 video). Essentially, she attempted to skate while injured, which debunks the criticism about her poor of condition. We heard nothing about her fall and injury until she withdrew from SA at the last opportunity, which was about a week ago. Waiting till the last minute to withdraw is optimistic, it suggests there was a possibility that she might recover enough to go to SA. Since withdrawing she has been in Moscow for medical attention. She said she hopes to continue the rest of the season. All things considered, that seems likely.

 

[sjid]

Her interest is in ice dance, not pairs which she doesn't think is safe. Thank God for that. Her interest dates back to her first trip to Canton with Marina, more than a year ago. She is certain about sticking with singles until at least the Olympics. She talks as if this may be her plan B. She makes no secret of disliking jumps which she refers to as "trifles" and resents that so much of her training is jumps. I would speculate that much of her attraction to dance is that there are no jumps, and the focus is artistic expression. Thus if her jumps are competitve, she will very likely stay where she is. Her major reservation against going to dance is that she may be too old to switch. The one certainty is that she does not want to give up skating. These two links give as complete an insight as we have available:

an interview after her first session with Marina: http://www.sport-express.ru/se-velena/reviews/979675/

a recent interview that describes experience with dance coach Ekaterina Rublev: http://www.sport-express.ru/se-vele...erestala-boyatsya-trenazhernogo-zala-1043944/




also, from Ask, she says that switching from singles is "not a suggestion, it is competent calculation." In case I have been misled again by the machine translation, here is the Russian text:
Видела такую штуку? Тебе сделали предложение, между прочим Знаменитый фигурист сделал предложение Липницкой
Это не предложение, это грамотный расчёт

 

[sjid]

Yulia is very active in her ask today!

Some new photos
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLvnjFqjBW8/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BLwJf1gjeIA/
Driver! - http://akphoto2.ask.fm/195/ecd74/2bca/4667/8610/f63a6d287384/original/1983162.jpg

I rarely comment on photos, but I find these two from instagram so Very beautiful, and for different reasons. The first is painterly; the colors, detail and expression are radiant, as if it were done on canvas. The second is a statement of her acceptance of reality whatever it may bring, and is accompanied by the philosophical comment: Problems? Come, dear ones! How many years, how many winters ... Spoken like a true Russian. Neither of these would have been possible just a year ago. Praise be to Alexei.

 

[sjid]

I'd like to fix the translation just a bit )
She said "I've got trainings and regime (meaning sports regimen or schedule)" which means that, hopefully, treatment has already gone

thank you

 

[mish]

Yulia fell during practice just before the FS in Bratislava. You may remember there was a lot of concern that she did not complete the FS well. We now know that she dislocated her shoulder and popped it back into place, then skated the FS apparently without medical advice.

Says who? Some anon from FSO?

So she skated with dislocated, inflamed shoulder and the best part of her free skate was her upper body movement: perfect arms in Ina Bauer, perfect arms in spins and perfect arms in choreography, while the legs energy was visibly cut off one minute into the program. She has also stumbled during last spin because of arms, right?
Then she sat in the K&C with dislocated, inflamed, aking shoulder and for two minutes had never touched or massaged it. Not even once.
Then she visited "ask" and replied to the precise question, saying she has no injury, "everything is normal and she's just afraid to jump". (because skaters never complain about injuries, right?)


She's working on her stamina. She lost much weight, got super slim, but they realized it's only good enough for a short. She can beat anybody in the world in one program (maybe apart from Medvedeva and Mao with 3A). If we create single-skate world championships, she will medal with 80% certainty.
Thing is we can't, so back to gym!

 

[sjid]

Says who? Some anon from FSO?

So she skated with dislocated, inflamed shoulder and the best part of her free skate was her upper body movement: perfect arms in Ina Bauer, perfect arms in spins and perfect arms in choreography, while the legs energy was visibly cut off one minute into the program. She has also stumbled during last spin because of arms, right?
Then she sat in the K&C with dislocated, inflamed, aking shoulder and for two minutes had never touched or massaged it. Not even once.
Then she visited "ask" and replied to the precise question, saying she has no injury, "everything is normal and she's just afraid to jump". (because skaters never complain about injuries, right?)


She's working on her stamina. She lost much weight, got super slim, but they realized it's only good enough for a short. She can beat anybody in the world in one program (maybe apart from Medvedeva and Mao with 3A). If we create single-skate world championships, she will medal with 80% certainty.
Thing is we can't, so back to gym!

A quick answer: When a dislocated joint is popped back into place, it is functional. It can also be soar and not have normal strength. Dislocation can be partial or complete. The amount of dislocation depends on the strength of the joint relative to the force of impact. If the joint is completely separated, a trip to the emergency room is needed. If the bones are not completely separated, then it is possible to function well after the proper position is restored by movement ("popping"). The information we have indicates a mild dislocation. Apparently she skated without consulting a physician. This is a reasonable assumption given that Moscow specialists took her out of the rink sometime after she left Bratislava. In other words, a specialist would not have permitted her to skate after the fall without therapy. It would be normal for anyone who has fully or partially dislocated a joint by falling, to be afraid of falling again. All dislocations are very painful. As for being able to skate, she must have felt reasonably well after popping and decided to go ahead. She may have believed she didn't have an injury (that the dislocation was gone). The diagnosis put on line was that there was concern about ligaments. Whether it was ligaments or some other connective tissue, every dislocation weakens the joint. Apparently she was able to get through most of the performance before it became so painful that it inhibited movement. That happened about 30 seconds from the end, just after the 4 minted mark on the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdqOrLZMBbw At 4:08 she stops moving arms briefly, and she lowers her left arm after the performance as if there is something preventing normal movement.
It isn't unusual for someone who has popped back a mild dislocation to go back to their normal behavior and feel pretty well. But with exertion or if they should re-injure by falling, they will further damage the joint. This is what happened with Yulia. The joint was restored, it was probably sore but she could do well enough that she thought she could make it. She almost did. One important point, she did not have a dislocation while skating. Even a mild dislocation prevents all movement, she could not have moved, let alone skated, with a dislocation. The danger for her is that without therapy a mild injury can become much worse through subsequent loosening of the joint. She is listening to her doctors, she will be fine. After recovery she can better judge her stamina. I should add that there was mention of a similar old injury. Each dislocation loosens the joint, so she would have been more vulnerable this second time, and will be increasingly vulnerable in the future.

All information came from her. It was discussed a few pages ago. The machine translation was unclear, but a cleaner translation by contributors of this forum established the dislocation diagnosis.

 

[mish]

https://www.facebook.com/RussianJewishCongress/posts/964220393722068

Главным сюрпризом и сенсацией гала-вечера в честь 20-летия РЕК стало появление на сцене российской фигуристки еврейского происхождения, олимпийской чемпионки Сочи-2014 Юлии Липницкой.

Is it true?

All information came from her. It was discussed a few pages ago.

All I see is discussion regarding some post by some some fan on some internet forum, that I can't even display.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

https://www.facebook.com/RussianJewishCongress/posts/964220393722068
Is it true?

Isn't everything on the internet true?

 

[moviebuff]

https://www.facebook.com/RussianJewishCongress/posts/964220393722068
Is it true?

Lol...is it? Does it matter if she's jewish or not?

 

[mish]

Lol...is it? Does it matter if she's jewish or not?

I'd say, in general ethnic origin matters to people, don't you think?

 

[moviebuff]

I'd say, in general ethnic origin matters to people, don't you think?

Well, I was more referring to being defined by one's ethnicity or religious beliefs...or rather NOT being defined by them. If what that FB post is true (and Google Translate is correct), it would imply that Yulia is Jewish by origin/birth(?), but according to much of what we've seen from her on social media she is Orthodox Christian by practice, no? If that's the case, I don't really see the big deal in this...but that's just me. To each their own.

 

[Imagine]

https://www.facebook.com/RussianJewishCongress/posts/964220393722068
Is it true?

No it's a misconception. Pay attention to what's around her neck.

Not like it really matters, but Yulia Lipnitskaya: Not a Jew. Doesn't make her any better or any worse.

 

[sjid]

https://www.facebook.com/RussianJewishCongress/posts/964220393722068
Is it true?

All I see is discussion regarding some post by some some fan on some internet forum, that I can't even display.

That FSO post did introduce the information about dislocation, although there is a possibility it may have referred to a sprain. Most of us couldn't access the site, so that post was copied here in Russian, some of it was translated. Concurrently Yulia reported getting better, preparing, concern about aggravating an old injury, soreness, being in Moscow, hope to return in time for Rostelecom, and a regimen in the gym. She was not specific about what was injured. I hope we'll learn more eventually. Thanks for making me aware that the FSO post is suspicious.

 

[Alba]

I'd say, in general ethnic origin matters to people, don't you think?

Well, I am "people" (I think?:think and it doesn't matter a beep to me.

Don't know what happened with her and why isn't she in SA. Whatever the problem, I hope they will fix it cause I want to see her skate. :hap85:

 

[Yatagarasu]

Don't know what happened with her and why isn't she in SA. Whatever the problem, I hope they will fix it cause I want to see her skate. :hap85:

It's just a few pages ahead of this one. She had a dislocated shoulder and an inflammation of the ligaments with a possible pinched spinal nerve. Then she caught the flu and no wonder they pulled her. She's in therapy now and it seems to be going well, knock on wood.

 

[mish]

"Does it matter" that Julia likes horses?
Is colour of her apartment walls "a big deal"?
Do Averbukh's opinions "make her worse"?

We are talking about those things all the time.

Well, I am "people" (I think?:think and it doesn't matter a beep to me.

That's why I wrote "in general".

No it's a misconception. Pay attention to what's around her neck.

Not like it really matters, but Yulia Lipnitskaya: Not a Jew.

So why Jewish Congress stated she's "jewish-origin athlete" on their official facebook page?
It's like inviting Gracie Gold to skating show in Germany and advertising she's of German origin. Would you consider it OK?

That FSO post did introduce the information about dislocation, although there is a possibility it may have referred to a sprain. Most of us couldn't access the site, so that post was copied here in Russian, some of it was translated.

So it's a copy of a post...
Neither Kogan nor Julia said anything specific about the injury, except it's a minor skating ache (Julia) and that it's "an old injury" that surfaced after the Nepela Trophy (Kogan). She had many problems with her feet, concussions, knocked hips, but I've never heard of Julia having problems with her arms or shoulders. I need more reliable source than some translation of some copy of some post of some user on some internet forum, sorry.