Loved the interview. She is such an intelligent, gracious, courageous and talented girl. She should have no regrets as she gave us so much already in her performances. I thank her for speaking up so honestly about eating disorders, which so many young athletes (and other people) probably struggle with. It must not have been easy, so I really appreciate her sharing. I wish her the very best. Also, so happy to hear her shout out to Urmanov. I knew he was one of the good guys :thumbsup:
Yulia Lipnitskaya
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OE: Ok, start talking.
YL: Lets start with the TV show, after which my mom became white haired, I probably grew a couple of white hairs as well, but the TV editors got their numbers. They were talking to a person named Zanozin. That person said I got accepted to MGU and it's a sure thing. I was only planning attending the university and will be great if it works out. I only plan applying and doing the exams in a year. I would like to become a sports manager. I'ts interesting and it would be related to my previous life.
This interview is her finest. Her intellectual clarity is typical of very bright people who have been through some level of analysis. She is profoundly focused. With proper emotional support her problems could have been avoided, her career extended. No one knows this better than Yulia. Before Alexei she had often talked of quitting but couldn't quit because all she knew was skating. The clinic provided strength to leave skating, at the clinic she learned first hand how exploring emotions is vital to sound choices and well-being. I believe her career choice of sports manager grew out of this experience at the clinic. The authorities, the current sports managers, should look closely and learn from Yulia's ordeal. They should act. Her struggle should never have been allowed. Skaters need more than skating skills. These are children, they are entitled to acceptance as children, protection from excess, and help in understanding their own feelings. Above all, it is criminal to discard them without emotional support when their coaches decide they have lost their competitive edge. The clinic gave Yulia the comforts of self-awareness, acceptance and empathy.
Yulia ended by thanking everyone who supported her. She talks about love, support, faith, patience from her fans, how she was comfortable with Alexei. These positive qualities, together with the opposite experience that came before, her healing at the clinic, and the example of her mother (a tower of support and wisdom) will underpin her career in sports management. She has the experience, intelligence, energy and charisma to change skating again, to create a golden age where children can develop physically and mentally in the best way possible. As a sports manager she can use her "previous life" to do the greatest human good, she can dedicate herself to a life's work that is worthy of someone of her stature. She has found the calling where she can invest all that she is for the benefit of others.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY8C6f0lDdMHAzHKlY6Cw2jW4pYtG_7bw5zCE00/?hl=en&taken-by=sunnylipnitskaya
YL: Lets start with the TV show, after which my mom became white haired, I probably grew a couple of white hairs as well, but the TV editors got their numbers. They were talking to a person named Zanozin. That person said I got accepted to MGU and it's a sure thing. I was only planning attending the university and will be great if it works out. I only plan applying and doing the exams in a year. I would like to become a sports manager. I'ts interesting and it would be related to my previous life.
This interview is her finest. Her intellectual clarity is typical of very bright people who have been through some level of analysis. She is profoundly focused. With proper emotional support her problems could have been avoided, her career extended. No one knows this better than Yulia. Before Alexei she had often talked of quitting but couldn't quit because all she knew was skating. The clinic provided strength to leave skating, at the clinic she learned first hand how exploring emotions is vital to sound choices and well-being. I believe her career choice of sports manager grew out of this experience at the clinic. The authorities, the current sports managers, should look closely and learn from Yulia's ordeal. They should act. Her struggle should never have been allowed. Skaters need more than skating skills. These are children, they are entitled to acceptance as children, protection from excess, and help in understanding their own feelings. Above all, it is criminal to discard them without emotional support when their coaches decide they have lost their competitive edge. The clinic gave Yulia the comforts of self-awareness, acceptance and empathy.
Yulia ended by thanking everyone who supported her. She talks about love, support, faith, patience from her fans, how she was comfortable with Alexei. These positive qualities, together with the opposite experience that came before, her healing at the clinic, and the example of her mother (a tower of support and wisdom) will underpin her career in sports management. She has the experience, intelligence, energy and charisma to change skating again, to create a golden age where children can develop physically and mentally in the best way possible. As a sports manager she can use her "previous life" to do the greatest human good, she can dedicate herself to a life's work that is worthy of someone of her stature. She has found the calling where she can invest all that she is for the benefit of others.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BY8C6f0lDdMHAzHKlY6Cw2jW4pYtG_7bw5zCE00/?hl=en&taken-by=sunnylipnitskaya
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Haha!!! That furry hat!!!
Has anyone else seen the drama going down at FSU in the translated interview thread. Lordy
Haha!!! That furry hat!!!
Has anyone else seen the drama going down at FSU in the translated interview thread. Lordy
Booooy, they are saying some things I'm really holding back saying, simply because I don't like throwing accusations lighty.... But yes!! Let's blame a child for the way adults are handling her!!!
I'm sorry but I can't stand people putting all the blame on Yulia. I'm sure that ET isn't a devil, but when someone says "I'm so proud (of Yulia), she is very strong, she can go days without eating if we need her to lose weight..." then that someone is part of the problem. I hope that this whole ordeal showed her what went wrong, she now does things differently, and she won't think again that putting a child on a powdered diet is a good idea. Her school's technique is miles better, her girls are doing great, she seems to have grown as a coach... I hope so.
And what is that user's problem on FSU??? They really like to create a mess like no other smh
Haha!!! That furry hat!!!
Has anyone else seen the drama going down at FSU in the translated interview thread. Lordy
A poorly constructed fiction of a deranged internet troll....and not even good fiction at that. :roll5:Tsk tsk. LOL....when you can't even properly source baseless tabloid media (Tahka's takedown had me
) you'd think this individual would have more pressing issues to worry about, like one's own education.
A poorly constructed fiction of a deranged internet troll....and not even good fiction at that. :roll5:Tsk tsk. LOL....when you can't even properly source baseless tabloid media (Tahka's takedown had me
) you'd think this individual would have more pressing issues to worry about, like one's own education.
They seem really happy hating on Yulia, while saying that they like her. Some people like to drag others down so they feel better about themselves
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They seem really happy hating on Yulia, while saying that they like her. Some people like to drag others down so they feel better about themselves
"I'm not Yulia's hater, but..." (c)
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My advice to all is don't mess with Tahka :eeking:
Haha!!! That furry hat!!!
Has anyone else seen the drama going down at FSU in the translated interview thread. Lordy
Thanks for the tip, Sam. That thread reminds me there is a danger that we ignore her greater ordeal as we focus on anorexia. We need to remember the scope of her struggle, of which anorexia was just one part. In fact, Yulia's anorexia was not the ordinary nervosa variety, though potentially as lethal. It was more a business decision, a competitive strategy that got way out of hand. Recently the business closed, the pantry opened, and Yulia seems blissfully comfortable with her normal body. Hallelujah.
She's dealt with a mountain of problems that would crush most of us. Injuries since age 12, inexplicable failures with FS, fame, serious conflicts with Averbukh, a deteriorating relationship with her former ally Eteri (success changed Eteri for the worse), separation from her mother when her life became too painful for mama (they are 100% together again), no one to turn to until Alexei, lack of success in spite of Alexei, abandoning skating career with nothing to fall back on, etc. I can't think of a time when Yulia complained. Never, not once. She answered questions honestly and completely without straying or dramatizing (some things were so bizarre that no dramatizing was needed). The tragic irony for me is that Yulia is a great person admired by millions, yet there was virtually no effort to help when she suffered, until Alexei. This I will never understand.
http://www.team-russia2014.ru/article/14516.html There is full interview where Eteri talked about this powdered diet. It seems that she just didn't know how to handle Yulia's jumping weight. Eteri said she is very sorry that Yulia had to endure so much, but she couldn't help it and also that Yulia's jumping weight caused injuries. Eteri mentioned about New Year's break which lasted 10 days, Eteri was scared Yulia could go back with extra weight but she didn't and her weight was lower than before (so people who was with her during this break probably knew about this crazy diet).
And Eteri also said : She [Yulia] realized that it is only possible to compete with rivals in equal conditions if she strictly watches her weight.
http://www.eg.ru/sport/48027 I haven't read this one from 2015 before and I don't even know if it is reliable but this article mentions about Yulia's eating disorder.
Thank you, this actually makes me feel kind of better about this, hopefully things likes this will be avoided in the future
"I'm not Yulia's hater, but..." (c)
No, it's different for every skater. With Yulia's passive aggressive haters it goes along the lines of "I love and care for the girl, but...."
*inserts shade-talk about her mum*
*cherry-picks details and rumours about her career and personal life*
*bashes her introverted/blunt persona*
*rants on how terrible it must've been for Eteri, Averbukh and Spongebob to deal with her*
and often ending with...
"...and she deserved it because of all of the above. Oh, and I wish her well."
Have I missed anything? :sarcasm: I don't post much outside of this board, but....SOME OF Y'ALL NEED TO GET YOURSELVES CHECKED!
^^^ You have touched all the major issues, sadly there is a lot more. There are only three sources that we can trust to give a clear picture. Interviews of Yulia, Eteri, and Averbuckh (plus Alexei and Zueva in the past). Yulia for facts, Eteri and Averbukh for attitudes and atmosphere but not facts. If one really wants to understand Yulia, stop right there.
At the top of my list of things to check is the pejorative use of the term introvert. Yulia devoted herself to skating from age 4. What do we expect her to talk about at a dinner party? Social isolation is common among top artists, for example top classical pianists know everything about their repertory, but typically little else. Yulia lamented the departure of her dear friends who always went away, beginning with Shelepen. Other top skaters have the same complaints about active friendships, are they all introverts? Her distrust of strangers is normal given the treatment she has received. Not wanting to be in the public eye is not introversion, and I can't find a thing wrong with wanting to spend some time alone with a book. Would we prefer her to be glib and superficial? Introversion is not a mental disorder, each of us has a level we are comfortable with that should be respected. It's past time we show some respect and drop this one.
At the top of my list of things to check is the pejorative use of the term introvert. Yulia devoted herself to skating from age 4. What do we expect her to talk about at a dinner party? Social isolation is common among top artists, for example top classical pianists know everything about their repertory, but typically little else. Yulia lamented the departure of her dear friends who always went away, beginning with Shelepen. Other top skaters have the same complaints about active friendships, are they all introverts? Her distrust of strangers is normal given the treatment she has received. Not wanting to be in the public eye is not introversion, and I can't find a thing wrong with wanting to spend some time alone with a book. Would we prefer her to be glib and superficial? Introversion is not a mental disorder, each of us has a level we are comfortable with that should be respected. It's past time we show some respect and drop this one.
" jump high or die" Eteri is only getting worse. We don't know what it was like in the rink except that Yulia described it as very cruel. We didn't hear much from Eteri until Yulia left, but then she unleashed streams of vitriol like a long-dormant volcano. Try this one, her latest: "Lipnitskaya will never come back to me. She will never do that. It took her so long to leave... Besides, she knows I would not change. We have to work. Why would I take her back if she will not work? To be there for the statistics? She is not the girl for the statistics only." It took her so long to leave. .... Eteri's ambition seriously impairs her judgment. How many more children's lives will Eteri ruin?
Yulia was baffled by her falls in competitions. So was I. Until I heard the 37kg bomb. That changed Everything. I asked a friend who knows a lot about health, what does 37kg at 5'2 suggest. She said, near death. The body mass is off the bottom of the chart. It changes everything in the body, including bone density. Remember the 7 stress fractures in a season? It is Eteri's duty to understand the ramifications of her regimen. Of course the child skater and her mother will take the word of the expert. Eteri needs supervision. Formerly I thought it was child abuse, now it is more like attempted murder. I see where Shcherbakova is out for much of the season after two fractures. If this is the best they can do, close down the elite rinks and cancel participation in the Olympics. I am stunned by the cruelty. It's approaching a pagan rite where the most beautiful maiden is sacrificed, in this case to the God of Vanity. If this occurred in a public school or organization, the perpetrator would be in jail. What does this say about our attitude toward these young athletes? I believe this is why Yulia wants to be a sports manager, if so I admire her so much for the choice.
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At risk of repeating a post ( I may have posted this before eons ago), Yulia may be an "outgoing introvert" personality like so many of us... (me included..). We value our "alone" time and our privacy, but enjoy being in the world, especially with close friends and activities that we find meaningful and are passionate about. My feeling is that Yulia was trained as a skater so young, before she really could make the choice herself on her own terms which may explain her seeming ambivlance regarding some parts of the sport. What she does next will be of her own chosing and it will be a passionate choice, no doubt giving it everything she's got.. she is on the threshold of a new dream.
https://www.themuse.com/advice/yes-outgoing-introverts-do-existare-you-one
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I agree with almost everything you wrote in the two posts above. Except that the skater and the mother were very ambitious as well. It's quite possible that the mother was troubled but just couldn't actively destroy the dreams of her daughter ... because what would have been the alternatives? Leaving the group at 15, when she was so very successful? The Olympics were the ultimate goal after all. You see things very differently when you are successful, the trouble often starts when there's no success.
Very low weight can be very dangerous and can cause lifelong health issues in young females. We know that. I think Eteri doesn't seem to think that she's responsible for the health of her students, the question is - is she responsible? Are there persons in her group who are responsible? Is there a medical team? What's the Fed's opinion on that matter? Is the Fed happy as long as there are results or do they actually care about their skater's health?
As long as we don't have answers to those questions I don't think we can solely blame Eteri. Students and parents chose her because they want to see results. Quick results. Eteri delivers. This seems to be a systemic problem and as long as Eteri delivers no one will really look into that.
Elite sport is often very cruel. I'm very glad that Yulia seems to be fine at this point in time (and I'm still sad that she had to end her career), I'm sure that a couple of 2nd or 3rd tier skaters are not.
I agree with almost everything you wrote in the two posts above. Except that the skater and the mother were very ambitious as well. It's quite possible that the mother was troubled but just couldn't actively destroy the dreams of her daughter ... because what would have been the alternatives? Leaving the group at 15, when she was so very successful? The Olympics were the ultimate goal after all. You see things very differently when you are successful, the trouble often starts when there's no success.
Very low weight can be very dangerous and can cause lifelong health issues in young females. We know that. I think Eteri doesn't seem to think that she's responsible for the health of her students, the question is - is she responsible? Are there persons in her group who are responsible? Is there a medical team? What's the Fed's opinion on that matter? Is the Fed happy as long as there are results or do they actually care about their skater's health?
As long as we don't have answers to those questions I don't think we can solely blame Eteri. Students and parents chose her because they want to see results. Quick results. Eteri delivers. This seems to be a systemic problem and as long as Eteri delivers no one will really look into that.
Elite sport is often very cruel. I'm very glad that Yulia seems to be fine at this point in time (and I'm still sad that she had to end her career), I'm sure that a couple of 2nd or 3rd tier skaters are not.
^^^ psusanne, Agreed, both Daniela and especially Yulia were very ambitious. It's interesting that Yulia had dual goals as a skater, self-expression and Olympic gold. These mostly conflict, which was a source of more anxiety. Ending her career as a competitive skater did not negatively affect self-expression (to the contrary, enhanced it). Sticking with the competitive career to the bitter end indicates that the Olympic goal trumped the self-expression goal.
Based on what Yulia has said and her deep affection, I have a very high opinion of Daniela. As far as I know, she and Yuiia discussed everything but in the end she always respected Yulia's wishes. Everything Yulia has said confirms your remark that mama was troubled, but couldn't destroy the dreams of her daughter. Daniela agreed to distance herself from Yulia's skating life shortly after the Olympics. Eventually Yulia turned to her aunt for guidance, apparently Yulia's experiences had become too painful for Daniela even to discuss. As for Daniela's alleged outspoken animosity toward Eteri (I haven't seen any credible reports), who among us would act differently in that situation? Averbukh reviled Daniela, she was his second favorite target. Everything was done out of love, Yulia understood this. For years, skating separated Yulia from the most important person in her life. Daniela can again participate fully in Yulia's life. May they live closely and happily ever after.
i am really concerned about long-term issues, but I don't like to think or talk about it. It's done and Yulia is in good, competent hands. As for Eteri, she has primary responsibility. Unfortunately she lacks many requisite qualities including conscience. After this tragedy, I would hope your suggestion of medical (including psychological) monitoring would be imposed for benefit of every skater. The fed seems passive, maybe it's political distancing. Without the authorities intervening the chances of improvement are slim. Yulia can't do anything to change her experience, I believe she wants to help future athletes avoid this trap. I bow to her.
I've wanted to write to you for about a month regarding a discussion we had last year. It seems you were in large part correct about the physical basis for Yulia's falling in competitions. As soon as I learned about her weight, I knew that you were correct. Her anxiety also played a role, but not the primary role. If I had known earlier, our discussion would have been altogether different.
Based on what Yulia has said and her deep affection, I have a very high opinion of Daniela. As far as I know, she and Yuiia discussed everything but in the end she always respected Yulia's wishes. Everything Yulia has said confirms your remark that mama was troubled, but couldn't destroy the dreams of her daughter. Daniela agreed to distance herself from Yulia's skating life shortly after the Olympics. Eventually Yulia turned to her aunt for guidance, apparently Yulia's experiences had become too painful for Daniela even to discuss. As for Daniela's alleged outspoken animosity toward Eteri (I haven't seen any credible reports), who among us would act differently in that situation? Averbukh reviled Daniela, she was his second favorite target. Everything was done out of love, Yulia understood this. For years, skating separated Yulia from the most important person in her life. Daniela can again participate fully in Yulia's life. May they live closely and happily ever after.
i am really concerned about long-term issues, but I don't like to think or talk about it. It's done and Yulia is in good, competent hands. As for Eteri, she has primary responsibility. Unfortunately she lacks many requisite qualities including conscience. After this tragedy, I would hope your suggestion of medical (including psychological) monitoring would be imposed for benefit of every skater. The fed seems passive, maybe it's political distancing. Without the authorities intervening the chances of improvement are slim. Yulia can't do anything to change her experience, I believe she wants to help future athletes avoid this trap. I bow to her.
I've wanted to write to you for about a month regarding a discussion we had last year. It seems you were in large part correct about the physical basis for Yulia's falling in competitions. As soon as I learned about her weight, I knew that you were correct. Her anxiety also played a role, but not the primary role. If I had known earlier, our discussion would have been altogether different.
Yes, I remember. She skated so beautifully in the SP! Light as a feather ... and it just seemed to me that she didn't have the energy to do the FS. You could really see how much she wanted it. This must have been a devastating moment for her, it was so sad to watch.
But I still watch that SP sometimes, it's sad and engaging at the same time. It shows her total dedication and sacrifice to the sport.
But I still watch that SP sometimes, it's sad and engaging at the same time. It shows her total dedication and sacrifice to the sport.
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