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Yulia Lipnitskaya

Snow63 said:
Highlights:
1) It looks to me she thinks she was underscored. She's skating better from event to event, got in better shape, but judges regard her with marks 'like a junior'. She obviously means PCS.
2) She was VERY nervous yesterday, nervous 'like never'. Close to scared, she was shaking inside.
3) They got back 3Lz-3T just in three days before the trip to Barcelona.
4) Physically she's not there yet, not even close. Sometimes she can't jump properly, yesterday her legs got tired in the middle of StSq. And she 'has to fight very hard in the second half of her FP' because of that.
5) She give herself room for mistakes now. It's good. She understands it's not possible to always skate good.
6) My main concern: her goal for tomorrow is not to skate clean, but to skate not very bad, fight for every element.
It looks to me that she thinks her skate will not be clean, at least she doesn't expect that. She's more confident now though, and it's important to her to skate with confidence, because if she's going to doubt herself she's gonna make mistakes. She will fight, but she's not sure if it's gonna be enough.

It's my impression. I hope it makes sense for you, guys.
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Well, that's called being realistic. :biggrin:

If she isn't at 100% yet why would she tell otherwise?
I hope she does well though. Being tired at the stepseq in the short, it's not a good sign for the long. :slink:
 
Alba said:
What's wrong with her attitude in this interview? :confused:
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There's nothing wrong in fact. It's Yulia being herself realistic and honest. Sometimes I think she and Eteri go to far in their honesty, they ought to hold back, to much info to the journalists, judges and competitors and they might use it ag. them. As Eteri herself said in an interview from Barcelona some of them are trying to ruin her relationship with Julia. That's the most worrying thing I've read this week not Julia's interview.
 
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Alba said:
Well, that's called being realistic. :biggrin:

If she isn't at 100% yet why would she tell otherwise?
I hope she does well though. Being tired at the stepseq in the short, it's not a good sign for the long. :slink:
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I don't know how to explain, it will be lost in translation. She just seems desperate and resigned in this 'view. And very honest.
But maybe journalist just didn't quote her correctly.

Now I'm just gonna shut up. We will see everything tomorrow :)
 
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waterskiiiepic123 said:
There's nothing wrong in fact. It's Yulia being herself realistic and honest. Sometimes I think she and Eteri go to far in their honesty, they ought to hold back, to much info to the journalists, judges and competitors and they might use it ag. them. As Eteri herself said in an interview from Barcelona some of them are trying to ruin her relationship with Julia. That's the most worring thing I've read this week not Julia's interview.
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I fully agree. Too much honesty there and it's wasted. Most of the journalist are not even interested in technical problems of FS. They just want gossip and drama.
 
Alba said:
I fully agree. Too much honesty there and it's wasted. Most of the journalist are not even interested in technical problems of FS. They just want gossip and drama.
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:cry:
I hate the media but without them we would have no news. Man...
I hope Yulia will do her best no matter what. Screw the judges.
 
Snow63 said:
Highlights:
1) It looks to me she thinks she was underscored. She's skating better from event to event, got in better shape, but judges regard her with marks 'like a junior'. She obviously means PCS.
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I was thinking about this. She defenitely needs to change the costume and hair style for that SP. I love it myself, but it doesn't help the judges not to look at her as a bit like a junior, in this case.
 
Alba said:
Well, that's called being realistic. :biggrin:

If she isn't at 100% yet why would she tell otherwise?
I hope she does well though. Being tired at the stepseq in the short, it's not a good sign for the long. :slink:
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Yulia spoke rather not about full fatigue. Literally: "Still there are times when feet "sit" and not to push yourself, nothing. In the short program so happened somewhere in the middle of the track, but I managed to roll myself (hard to translate slang:))"
 
lenok83 said:
Yulia spoke rather not about full fatigue. Literally: "Still there are times when feet "sit" and not to push yourself, nothing. In the short program so happened somewhere in the middle of the track, but I managed to roll myself (hard to translate slang:))"
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Ah good. Because in Bordeaux she looked better but still you could see that she was tired on the second half of the program. So by now I expect somehow better in that aspect.
 
lenok83 said:
Yulia spoke rather not about full fatigue. Literally: "Still there are times when feet "sit" and not to push yourself, nothing. In the short program so happened somewhere in the middle of the track, but I managed to roll myself (hard to translate slang:))"
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So she didn't ran out of strength but just her feet felt a little tired.
 
Do we know yet why only two of her positions on her final spin counted. At first I heard she lost a level but on the protocols she got a level 4 for all spins but only two of three positions were ratified for the last spin. She does Camel,Cannonball, and Upright I-spin. Which one didn't satisfy a requirement? Sorry of you guys already figured this out :)
 
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Alba said:
Well it kind of is. You lose much more points than one jump with a step-out or a fall.
I don't know which is the right decision though. Technique it's important, so judges should encourage the right tech, but starting from juniors not wake up when they are seniors.
However, there is never a uniformity in the judging and that doesn't help at all.
On the contrary, it makes coaches and skaters even more confused.
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In terms of technique under-rotating(especially if it's on many jumps) is the worst possible mistake. Many times it'll look better but it means you can't actually to the triple jumps because you cheat by finishing it on the ice. Also falls with under-rotation are just as bad because it mean the way you took off was so wrong that you didn't start to rotate properly. When a jump is fully rotated but falls sometimes it's not a problem with the jump itself but trouble holding the landing (I mean that you have the landing edge but for whatever reason you lose you balance sometimes by breaking at the waist or sinking to far down into the knee bend and can't stand back up. Also it can mean that you hit a rut in the ice (from another skater's edges) or you hit the toe-pick hole in the ice. (In those rare cases it's not your fault but would be almost impossible to detect, I think.) When I fall on a double salchow but it was fully rotated I'll go over to my coach and she'll tell me the jump was perfect but when I landed I didn't strongly hold the landing by checking my arms, but just let it fall apart.


A fully rotated well-landed jump that flipped the edge on the take-off is such a gray area. On one hand people are right that it is a flaw however, the skater was fully-intended to take off on the proper edge but sometimes slips back and forth. It is not a cheat in the same way as a chronic under-rotater is, though. I think the best way to handle it would be to treat it like a fall, but not in terms of GOE, that should stay the same. I think they should have a 1.00 deduction for ! calls and 2.00 deduction for e calls. On Yulia's flip for example at COC was worth 6.83 (BV + GOE), at GPF 2.67 (BV + GOE). My way it would be 4.83 (BV + GOE + D). That way the penalty is not worse than an under-rotation but is some aspects is as bad as a fall, but still rewards how incredible the jump was other than the flaw.
 
As I said, the eurosport Ita guy, said that she was short in the first position. Have no idea why though. He has not replied.

One user on FSU was asking the same:
Good question! I've just read through more rules and scale of values and I'm more confused than not! The scale of values doesn't have the spin positions included - so is the score even affected if they say 2 positions instead of 3?

I've just found the correction to the scale of values document (*** the ISU can't just create one master handbook with the latest everything in it is beyond me, you end up having to catch all the corrections and read three different documents to actually put together the rules. She lost a point if they called it wrong and given that the difference between her and Tuk is currently 1.28 point, it is not insignificant.
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I'm still confused. :confused:
 
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Isabel_O'Reilly said:
A fully rotated well-landed jump that flipped the edge on the take-off is such a gray area. On one hand people are right that it is a flaw however, the skater was fully-intended to take off on the proper edge but sometimes slips back and forth. It is not a cheat in the same way as a chronic under-rotater is, though. I think the best way to handle it would be to treat it like a fall, but not in terms of GOE, that should stay the same. I think they should have a 1.00 deduction for ! calls and 2.00 deduction for e calls. On Yulia's flip for example at COC was worth 6.83 (BV + GOE), at GPF 2.67 (BV + GOE). My way it would be 4.83 (BV + GOE + D). That way the penalty is not worse than an under-rotation but is some aspects is as bad as a fall, but still rewards how incredible the jump was other than the flaw.
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That sounds fair to me.

And I fully agree that under-rotated jumps are much worse, and even more so with a fall.
 
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Did she center her Camel within two revolutions?

It seemed strange that she still got such good GOE. I also thought this year when requirements aren't met we'd see a V1 or V2 like this CCoSp2p4v1.
 
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