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Yulia Lipnitskaya

QLutz said:
mishin on yulia... http://www.kp.ru/daily/26193/3081239/

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Thanks, Qlutz. He really understands Yulia. He appreciates her aesthetic accomplishment and potential, she's fortunate to be in Russia where those qualities are still broadly respected. He will be another source of strength and encouragement for her. It would be good if he could become directly involved with her development in some way, as an associate coach, or just someone to talk to regularly. He has exactly the combination of qualities to guide her in overcoming the bizarre experience from last year. With continuing expressions of support from powerful figures in ways that recognize and praise her unique qualities, Yulia will continue to discover how far and high her accomplishments have reached. Putin needs to drop by the rink. She is in good hands.
 
waterskiiiepic, If Yulia were turned over to an psychoanalyst who told her she has 110 personalities one of which is a duck, that would be a total disaster. She doesn't need psychoanalysis, she needs a perceptive friend. You are right to be wary and reluctant. Somebody like Mishin (see above post) would do very well. Sorry I didn't appreciate what you were getting at before (about 150 pages ago), when you were against sending her to a psychologist because of the risk of making things worse.
 
sjid said:
waterskiiiepic, If Yulia were turned over to an psychoanalyst who told her she has 110 personalities one of which is a duck, that would be a total disaster. She doesn't need psychoanalysis, she needs a perceptive friend. You are right to be wary and reluctant. Somebody like Mishin (see above post) would do very well. Sorry I didn't appreciate what you were getting at before (about 150 pages ago), when you were against sending her to a psychologist because of the risk of making things worse.
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Mishin is OK and might help Yulia in some aspects, but I still think Eteri is the best because she knows Yulia inside out. In my opinion it's better if Eteri could use some of his knowledge but I don't want to see Yulia working with Mishin directly. Believe me, nobody from the other Russian trainers have the wish and will to bring Yulia to the top.
 
waterskiiiepic123 said:
Mishin is OK and might help Yulia in some aspects, but I still think Eteri is the best because she knows Yulia inside out. In my opinion it's better if Eteri could use some of his knowledge but I don't want to see Yulia working with Mishin directly. Believe me, nobody from the other Russian trainers have the wish and will to bring Yulia to the top.
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I meant both Eteri and Mishin, with Mishin in a subordinate and specialized role. Eteri doesn't just understand her, she is like a twin. She is indispensable.
 
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Maybe Yulia could go to Mishin's summer camp?

sjid, I agree with you on your remark about Eteri, and as great as I think it is, I feel that an outsider's look could maybe be more objective. Hopefully with a new choreographer, things will sort themselves out. I still would like Yulia to see a sports psychologist - if it is anything like normal therapists, she may leave the session in tears, but eventually will feel better IF the sports psychologist is a good one - some just make people cry with no feeling better afterward.
 
bellflower said:
Maybe Yulia could go to Mishin's summer camp?

sjid, I agree with you on your remark about Eteri, and as great as I think it is, I feel that an outsider's look could maybe be more objective. Hopefully with a new choreographer, things will sort themselves out. I still would like Yulia to see a sports psychologist - if it is anything like normal therapists, she may leave the session in tears, but eventually will feel better IF the sports psychologist is a good one - some just make people cry with no feeling better afterward.
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I still agree with you that she (and everyone on her level) should have regular access to someone to talk through personal issues. Many serious problems could be avoided that way. I think Mishin would have the qualities she requires because he understands her very well and admires her specialness, he is wise, articulate and experienced, and she would listen to him (keep in mind her reluctance to open up to strangers). Not sure how the inevitable father figure would complicate the situation. If my impression of him is correct, he would be as good as a psychologist for Yulia. We could count on Yulia to let him know if it would work at all.

Here is a similar example. Martha Argerich, who is a great pianist with Yulia's charisma, unconventionality and cult-like following, went into a 3-year writer's block at age 20. She spent three years watching TV and nothing else. The wife of one of her teachers got through to her over a period of months, and within the year Argerich won the Chopin competition, the most competitive in the world. The wife had no psychological background, but understood pianists, believed in Argerich, and was sympathetic to her plight. I think either a carefully chosen psychologist or Mishin would help her make sense of what has happened. She doesn't need analysis, she could benefit from guidance with the right person.

We might start a fund on this thread, rent an apartment across from Yulia's rink. Call it The Sanctuary, and staff it with you and a few other perceptive contributors to this thread. She and her friends could visit during lunch and before going home. Soon they would properly understand why they are so special. A multi-dimensional approach to skater training is preferred.
 
bellflower said:
Maybe Yulia could go to Mishin's summer camp?

sjid, I agree with you on your remark about Eteri, and as great as I think it is, I feel that an outsider's look could maybe be more objective. Hopefully with a new choreographer, things will sort themselves out. I still would like Yulia to see a sports psychologist - if it is anything like normal therapists, she may leave the session in tears, but eventually will feel better IF the sports psychologist is a good one - some just make people cry with no feeling better afterward.
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Attending Mishin's summer camp would be a smart move. He could quadruple camping fees if she were to attend, split the difference with her. The new choreographer is essential, and even more important is for her to find music she relates to. They need someone from the outside, as we could see from her experience this year. All good suggestions.
 
sjid said:
They need someone from the outside, as we could see from her experience this year. All good suggestions.
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I'm getting more and more convinced to that idea. Not another coach obviously, just an outside helping hand/eyes/mind/opinion of some kind.

Not sure how the inevitable father figure would complicate the situation.
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Now, that's really intriquing subject. Rather unsuitable to be discussed on the sport forum, but perhaps of fundamental importance.
Of course, not being psychologist or close to Julia, I am an imposter with good intentions here.
 
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sjid said:
Thanks, Qlutz. He really understands Yulia. He appreciates her aesthetic accomplishment and potential, she's fortunate to be in Russia where those qualities are still broadly respected. He will be another source of strength and encouragement for her. It would be good if he could become directly involved with her development in some way, as an associate coach, or just someone to talk to regularly. He has exactly the combination of qualities to guide her in overcoming the bizarre experience from last year. With continuing expressions of support from powerful figures in ways that recognize and praise her unique qualities, Yulia will continue to discover how far and high her accomplishments have reached. Putin needs to drop by the rink. She is in good hands.
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I think he would be valuable in helping her improve her jumps. That seems to be his strength, and she could use some help in that area.
 
sjid said:
waterskiiiepic, If Yulia were turned over to an psychoanalyst who told her she has 110 personalities one of which is a duck, that would be a total disaster. She doesn't need psychoanalysis, she needs a perceptive friend. You are right to be wary and reluctant. Somebody like Mishin (see above post) would do very well. Sorry I didn't appreciate what you were getting at before (about 150 pages ago), when you were against sending her to a psychologist because of the risk of making things worse.
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There are many different types of therapeutic approaches, and very few practice psychoanalysis these days. Multiple personalities only emerge if there was severe abuse (usually sexual abuse) at a very young age (prior to about age three.) When people are suggesting a psychologist, they mean a sports psychologist, which is a specialization in its own right. Sending someone to a psychoanalyst or trauma specialist for a sports issue would be like sending someone with cancer to a cardiologist.
 
peg said:
There are many different types of therapeutic approaches, and very few practice psychoanalysis these days. Multiple personalities only emerge if there was severe abuse (usually sexual abuse) at a very young age (prior to about age three.) When people are suggesting a psychologist, they mean a sports psychologist, which is a specialization in its own right. Sending someone to a psychoanalyst or trauma specialist for a sports issue would be like sending someone with cancer to a cardiologist.[/B]
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That's for sure. I was kidding about the multiple personalities, an extreme example to make the point that she doesn't belong in analysis. If we know this, it's safe to say they won't make such a mistake. Clearly you have a good background. It seems to me that much of her problem was inability to relate to R&J, for musical reasons and/or because it followed SL which she feared she couldn't equal. The other issue was to deal with fame. Do you have thoughts on what she should do and how these things might play out over time?
 
bellflower said:
I still would like Yulia to see a sports psychologist - if it is anything like normal therapists, she may leave the session in tears, but eventually will feel better IF the sports psychologist is a good one - some just make people cry with no feeling better afterward.
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she'll be ok. a sports psychologist will be concerned with performance psychology and won't be talking about personal demons or past traumas. they really shouldnt even call themselves psychologists because that word has an unfair stigma. they should instead be called sports or performance therapists.
 
QLutz said:
she'll be ok. a sports psychologist will be concerned with performance psychology and won't be talking about personal demons or past traumas. they really shouldnt even call themselves psychologists because that word has an unfair stigma. they should instead be called sports or performance therapists.
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Thanks for making this clear. After some thought, I was reluctant to call a person whom Yulia might consult anything other than counselor. So it's good to know that they are psychologists in title more than in practice. Is it common for Russian skaters to work with them?
 
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