Yulia Lipnitskaya

[sjid]

Freud was a not psychologist (someone that might be useful to an athlete), he was a psychoanalyst (little use to anybody)

Psychology is a science.

Whereas Psychoanalysis is fruitloopery. (Or a pseudoscience if you want to be diplomatic). Its theories have no proper scientific basis. Real scientists generally pay it no heed, and the few psychoanalytical theories that have been properly scientifically tested, have resulted in them being disproven (most famously, the Oedipus complex).

Psychoanalysis does let us see qualities of thinking and has value in that regard. If you read or watch something that has emotional meaning but can't put your finger on exactly why it makes you react, a psychoanalytic approach will often give insight in a satisfying way by revealing subtexts. Subtexts are the poetic side of art and the substance of deep relationships. Here are some examples: Solitude Standing by Suzanne Vega; the movie Like Water for Chocolate; the dance called Serenata ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1C34xqImuo ). Psychoanalysis can provide awareness in art, but is rarely useful in applied science. It's like looking at a shakey bridge and feeling afraid by the rotted steel. Just knowing why you are scared won't make the bridge safe.

In confronting her dilemma, Yulia will find nothing useful in psychoanalysis. I do believe that as she develops expressively, we will see performances so rich with meaning that subtexts could be very important. Try to explain what it is in Yulia's programs that makes us watch them over and over, that makes them so expressive emotionally, why people cry. There is a lot going on both consciously and unconsciously, everything contributes to her genius.

 

[sjid]

I think now the problem is not in the Julia. Yulia strong character and she will cope with the difficulties with the help of a psychologist or without such assistance. The problem Tutberidze.
This is Julia lost confidence in Tutberidze. This confidence was a common support, which suddenly disappeared. Keywords Julia during the losing streak: I don't know what to do. You have got to know the coach. And she didn't know. Julia knew it is the cause of the conflict.
We can only hope that Tutberidze found ways to restore Yulia. These paths were convincing to all who participated in the meeting in the Ministry. Julia believed her also.
Sorry if I again expressed not understand English - I completely alien to English phraseology.

I have the same perspective. In Yulia's eyes, this season definitely took the magic out of Eteri. A more realistic image of Eteri will be positive in confronting future problems. Yulia will be less disappointed-angry and more collaborative. Yulia recently said they learned a lot this year, and also that she never thought of changing coaches. Yulia never doubted that Eteri is best for her, and now both of them are aware that Eteri can't do it all. Their future approach will undoubtedly take this into account.

Don't worry about the language, your ideas are what's important. English isn't the most elegant language.

 

[sjid]

I wasn't speaking about you in particular sidj. His name was mentioned by others as well in another forum, FSU, also.

My day-dream was inspired by that sugary interview that Mishin gave on Yulia. If I were an innocent young girl and such an elegant man knelt down before me and said all those personal compliments so sweetly, I'd say yes yes yes in an instant. A blind marriage. I wouldn't even ask to see the ring.

That's the only reason I could see her leave Eteri. Indeed she does has too many high level skaters.

It will take surgery to divide the twins. Eteri says that Yulia has much more potential. Eteri and I think alike. None of us are going anywhere.

 

[sjid]

Well, there is some deep s*** going on in Julia's career, so no wonder we're freaking out.

We're all doing our best to write a happy ending.

 

[sjid]

One for them being her own 12yo daughter, who I guess, is hoping to enter international junior ranks in 1-year time...

Btw., my heart is all-in for Eteri. I adore that proud, brave and beautiful Georgian lady.
It's just I have hard time with imagining how she manages that number of elite students under her reign in the (near) future.

The secret is not to use a rein, use a whip. Seriously, Eteri recently said she wants more skaters, young ones.

 

[Sandpiper]

Freud was a not psychologist (someone that might be useful to an athlete), he was a psychoanalyst (little use to anybody)

Psychology is a science.

Whereas Psychoanalysis is fruitloopery. (Or a pseudoscience if you want to be diplomatic). Its theories have no proper scientific basis. Real scientists generally pay it no heed, and the few psychoanalytical theories that have been properly scientifically tested, have resulted in them being disproven (most famously, the Oedipus complex).

Thank you.

I've been slow catching up with the thread due to US/Canadian Nationals. To bring things back down to earth: We're still floundering in fog here. Ultimately, we don't know how exactly Yulia and Eteri are getting along right now. We don't know if it must be Eteri or nobody. We don't know what their plans for next season are, if they've even decided on one. I don't trust any "interviews" that come out because we know all the coaches politic like crazy. And I don't trust those journalists further than I can throw them (see their twisting of Evan Lysacek's tweet in the exact same article).

It's natural to try to write a happy ending, but I don't think we fans have enough resources to work with... It's up to Yulia to find her own happy ending.

 

[Meoima]

So US Nationals thread is fueled up with Pooh bear and obituaries, then Yulia thread is fulled of Freud....
I don't know anything anymore...

 

[Sandpiper]

So US Nationals thread is fueled up with Pooh bear and obituaries, then Yulia thread is fulled of Freud....
I don't know anything anymore...

Freud is in everything! Fruitloopery never dies!
His theories may be dumb, but his influence you can't deny!

 

[Meoima]

Freud is in everything! Fruitloopery never dies!
His theories may be dumb, but his influence you can't deny!

My college days was all about Freud and Jung... just find it funny how things escalate so quickly everywhere!

 

[Sandpiper]

My college days was all about Freud and Jung... just find it funny how things escalate so quickly everywhere!

I'm fond of Jung. I think he makes a lot more sense than Freud (However, they're equally useless to elite athletes trying to win gold medals).

 

[peg]

At the risk of completely hijacking this thread, I think Freud actually had a lot of valuable insights given the tools he had to work with. While the detail of his theories was completely off (due to poor research methods and a really whacked sample for basing his theories on) he was right about the fact that much of our behavior is dictated by the subconscious and the fact that the patterns for our behavior are largely determined in early childhood. Advances in the field of neuroscience over the last two decades support that - in fact the wiring and structures of our brains are largely determined by environment and in particular our social environment and our relationships with or primary caregivers. That's a field of research that has just exploded with better brain imaging techniques.

That said, I would suggest that if we want to further discuss this issue, we start a thread in the cafe instead of clogging up Julia's fan thread.

Though at least we can say Julia has well-educated and intelligent fans

 

[Meoima]

I'm fond of Jung. I think he makes a lot more sense than Freud (However, they're equally useless to elite athletes trying to win gold medals).

I am fond of Jung, too. His Memories, Dreams, Reflections is one of my favourite. But surely Yulia might not need him to win medals.

 

[Sandpiper]

At the risk of completely hijacking this thread, I think Freud actually had a lot of valuable insights given the tools he had to work with. While the detail of his theories was completely off (due to poor research methods and a really whacked sample for basing his theories on) he was right about the fact that much of our behavior is dictated by the subconscious and the fact that the patterns for our behavior are largely determined in early childhood. Advances in the field of neuroscience over the last two decades support that - in fact the wiring and structures of our brains are largely determined by environment and in particular our social environment and our relationships with or primary caregivers. That's a field of research that has just exploded with better brain imaging techniques.

That said, I would suggest that if we want to further discuss this issue, we start a thread in the cafe instead of clogging up Julia's fan thread.

Though at least we can say Julia has well-educated and intelligent fans

As I said, "His theories may be dumb, but his influence you can't deny!" Freud certainly was right about the subconscious. But the rest of his theory was sheer fruitloopery, as YesWay said. He took his own experiences and projected them onto the rest of humanity.

Anyway, back to Yulia. I wonder what she'd do for programs next season... Should she keep the SP, since it's been very steady for her, or should she change everything to forget about this season? I guess she should definitely ditch the LP, no matter how much it breaks my heart to never see it clean... Should she give Mulan a try, since that seemed to be where her heart was? Should she try something upbeat and extroverted, so the audiences/judges take another look at her? :think:

 

[borzaya]

Anyway, back to Yulia. I wonder what she'd do for programs next season... Should she keep the SP, since it's been very steady for her, or should she change everything to forget about this season? I guess she should definitely ditch the LP, no matter how much it breaks my heart to never see it clean... Should she give Mulan a try, since that seemed to be where her heart was? Should she try something upbeat and extroverted, so the audiences/judges take another look at her? :think:

That would be just great to see Megapolis and Mulan as her programs next season...

 

[Pippuripihvi]

I find it strange that people think that Yulia needs some kind of sports psychologist. I don't think her problem is mental.
In some interviews she complained that she simply loses stamina in the second half of her LP and stops feeling her legs. I guess this is just growth issue. Something similar happened to Zijun Li a year or two ago. But Zijun is gaining her form now, so I assume we just have to be patient.

 

[waterskiiiepic123]

Thank you.

I've been slow catching up with the thread due to US/Canadian Nationals. To bring things back down to earth: We're still floundering in fog here. Ultimately, we don't know how exactly Yulia and Eteri are getting along right now. We don't know if it must be Eteri or nobody. We don't know what their plans for next season are, if they've even decided on one. I don't trust any "interviews" that come out because we know all the coaches politic like crazy. And I don't trust those journalists further than I can throw them (see their twisting of Evan Lysacek's tweet in the exact same article).

It's natural to try to write a happy ending, but I don't think we fans have enough resources to work with... It's up to Yulia to find her own happy ending.

Ya, it's only natural for the fans but it's up to Yulia to decide what she actually wants. When you've achieved so much at such age it's difficult I remember Martina Hingis at 16-17 was on the top of tennis, she was winning everything was very talented in tennis but her heart was with her horses. At that age she also started dating, so it's complicated for this wonderkids. She's happy now but she admits she regrets some of the choices when she was 17-18. They're growing up in front of the world it can't be easy the most important thing is to stay healthy and positive, she'll find her way in this world without the help of Freud.

 

[solani]

I find it strange that people think that Yulia needs some kind of sports psychologist. I don't think her problem is mental.
In some interviews she complained that she simply loses stamina in the second half of her LP and stops feeling her legs. I guess this is just growth issue. Something similar happened to Zijun Li a year or two ago. But Zijun is gaining her form now, so I assume we just have to be patient.

That she stops feeling her legs at some point doesn't sound good to me, this could be a bunch of different thinks. (A friend of mine, a climber, looses feeling in his legs and arms when he strains himself heavily while climbing or swimming. After two years or so the doctors finally found out that it was an neural issue, he strained his neck too much. It got a lot better with physical therapy.) But I guess she's receiving excellent medical treatment.
She was so successfull last year! I really look forward to seeing her next season again.

 

[sjid]

Anyway, back to Yulia. I wonder what she'd do for programs next season... Should she keep the SP, since it's been very steady for her, or should she change everything to forget about this season? I guess she should definitely ditch the LP, no matter how much it breaks my heart to never see it clean... Should she give Mulan a try, since that seemed to be where her heart was? Should she try something upbeat and extroverted, so the audiences/judges take another look at her? :think:

Regarding music selection, the two crucial factors are liking the music and time to prepare. Mulan is ideal if she still wants to use it. She is attracted to Oriental themes, she has had successful Oriental programs in the past. Anything connecting her to past success is desirable at this point in time. Megapolis is okay for SP if she can't come up with something fresh within a comfortable time frame. I'd prefer that she bury Megapolis along with everything else connected with this year, at least temporarily. Megapolis would be a smart choice for the Olympic year if she still likes it. Music formerly used in exhibition is a good place to look for her new SP. Alba will agree, I'm sure. Good luck to her in finding the perfect fit.

 

[sjid]

That she stops feeling her legs at some point doesn't sound good to me, this could be a bunch of different thinks. (A friend of mine, a climber, looses feeling in his legs and arms when he strains himself heavily while climbing or swimming. After two years or so the doctors finally found out that it was an neural issue, he strained his neck too much. It got a lot better with physical therapy.) But I guess she's receiving excellent medical treatment.
She was so successfull last year! I really look forward to seeing her next season again.

This is probably psychosomatic. It is not consistent and it occurs under stress.

 

[sjid]

I find it strange that people think that Yulia needs some kind of sports psychologist. I don't think her problem is mental.
In some interviews she complained that she simply loses stamina in the second half of her LP and stops feeling her legs. I guess this is just growth issue. Something similar happened to Zijun Li a year or two ago. But Zijun is gaining her form now, so I assume we just have to be patient.

Sports psychology is more than just psychology. It includes many techniques both mental and physical, and is a desirable supplement to training. It is beneficial to competitive athletes regardless of their state of mind. For one example of sports psychology, please read this article and peg's post #4916. http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/sport_psych/a/aa091700a.htm