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Yulia Lipnitskaya

Lucinda wow, never heard of her until now but her spins are amazing. I like her positions with the arms...very unique.

Haven't made a Yulia vid in a while...here's Yulia & Yuzuru skating to I See The Light from the animated feature, Tangled. I was planning it as Yulia solo....but after it seemed to work out after all. This type of a rink would be great if this was a real exhibition piece.
 
If you are interested to read what Averbukh has to say about Yulia, yet again.:sarcasm:
Thanks to TAHbKA for the translation.
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...ways-be-the-face-of-the-sochi-olympics.95729/

Very interested, and interesting. Thanks Alba.

This is an important interview, it pretty much spells out what happened last year and confirms what many conjectured. Ilya was too despotic for Yulia, he only frustrated her and eventually they rejected each other. In every comparison he prefers another skater (Sotnikova, Radionova). So far Yulia has been civil enough to say nothing (other than firing him). It appears he had almost nothing to do with her work last year, other than setting the stage for disaster. It's unclear what he did for SL. As usual, he casts himself in a favorable light.

Below are some quotes, each preceded with my take on their significance for Yulia:

skaters should take orders
"For example working with Lipnitskaya it wasn't her I was choreographing for, but Tutberidze, so she would understand what I mean to do, so she would like it. Just that the skater is not always willing to take orders, just like Julia." Q10

however, skaters who take orders may add their own small touches if it improves his choreography:
"The most interesting work was with Elena Radionova. She feels the music so well and sometimes would add some great gestures which integrated perfectly into the programme." Q10

but it seems not taking orders is fine if it wins (plus definition of "introvert" as one who is true to herself):
"In Lipnitskaya's Olympics LP we managed to hit the main point: the right mood. Julia is known for being a bit restrained in her skating. She is an introvert. I.e. she is not trying to capture the audience, which Sotnikova does so well, but as if says `take me the way I am'. It's not an act, it's her. Had Lipnitskaya tried skating the `Schindler's list' playing with the audience the programme would become banal and silly. In our case it caused a huge emotional explosion. It's a very intimate and personal story." Q4

so now it's Yulia's mother who vetoed his masterpiece (remember what Yulia said-- she didn't like skating to his music, and as she tried to skate to it she liked it less and less). This is the most offensive in the history of offensive comments by Ilya. The poorest impression yet of his character. :
"I think Julia should had kept the mood and become one setting the fashion. By the way, the first version of the programme we did, which was never shown, I still think is a kind of a breakthrough. It had a not so known and not an overused music, perhaps a strange and an abstract choreography but am still certain the programme would suit Lipnitskaya. It was about a very closed person who lets herself out into the world and opens completely.
Tutberidze loved the programme, but it was a case when the point of view of Julia's mother who didn't `see' her daughter in the programme had more weight. Julia is very compliant to her mother in that way." Q5

noblesse oblige, again:
"When her coach Eteri Tutberidze called me it was a cry for help. I couldn't decline." Q3

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Also pertinent reflections on choreography vs technique, where he and I are in complete harmony. Based on his priority for choreography I can see why some like his work in general--for those skaters who can take orders. And why he was considered to be choreographer for Yulia.:
"In away yes, though now the programmes became even more primitive - the choreographing freedom is limited by the technical demands." Q1 ...........and..............
"If in singles the choreography might be 20% of the success." Q15
...............and....................
"True, but when there is no life experience, no emotions, when they are not trying to develop and learn something new it turns out quite fast they have nothing to show the audience. Yet it's exactly what we are trying to do on the ice during all our career." last Q
 
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I just find Ilya to be extremely ignorable now. No matter what he is talking about it always seems to me he is really just talking about himself. :laugh:

Even though the results of her trip to Canton are yet unknown to most...I'm just happy to see that it looked like it was a nurturing experience. I don't care about the results as much as I do in her happiness. I think her personality lends itself to extremes and the positive hugs and encouraging words that we all saw appear from this trip could be extremely beneficial. Not only for her on a personal level but even from a creative one.
 
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If you are interested to read what Averbukh has to say about Yulia, yet again.:sarcasm:
Thanks to TAHbKA for the translation.
http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/ind...ways-be-the-face-of-the-sochi-olympics.95729/
Curtsy poisonous snake that upset that you can't reach to bite.
In fact, it's been a year and a half from the day of its triumph, and all its still love and remember. And about him not remembering. Need to remind myself of. Even with scandalous ohms.
He is also upset that no longer get as much profit from their shows because there'll be no Yulia. But Adeline and all others combined are not able to attract so many spectators, attracted her.
 
I just find Ilya to be extremely ignorable now. No matter what he is talking about it always seems to me he is really just talking about himself.
So true, it's all about "my choreography" and "I created that" :disapp:

Yulia will be fine without him.
 
I just find Ilya to be extremely ignorable now. No matter what he is talking about it always seems to me he is really just talking about himself. :laugh:

Even though the results of her trip to Canton are yet unknown to most...I'm just happy to see that it looked like it was a nurturing experience. I don't care about the results as much as I do in her happiness. I think her personality lends itself to extremes and the positive hugs and encouraging words that we all saw appear from this trip could be extremely beneficial. Not only for her on a personal level but even from a creative one.

Ilya is a narcissist, narcissists must control every relationship. In this interview his despotic nature reveals itself. Yulia functions on three levels, music, movement and meaning. Ilya was fine on the first two, he integrates music and movement well. But it has to be his movement, preferably to his music (chossing music is his strongest point). He was unable to respect Yulia's need to express her personal message. Apparently he understood her subjective nature (according to the interview), but then ignored it when working with her. He clearly feels guilty about the outcome, but with characteristic denial, projects failures onto Yulia, once again portraying himself as the victim.

Hugs are a good sign. If you had endured her last year and then saw light at the end of the tunnel, you would definitely hug the one holding the lamp. Marina respects Yulia, recognizes her strengths, and collaborates with her as a coach. Yulia accepts a musical suggestion offered by Marina. Marina is already functioning well on all three levels. The one drawback is that she is not in Moscow. Eteri is the guiding hand, and we can be sure that she will do all that is humanly possible. Even more than last year, the results will determine happiness.
 
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Interesting. I think I was hinting that her happiness could help determine the results. :p
 
I made a long post and deleted it because I don't feel like getting into a long argument with lots of tangents, but I find most of this criticism of Averbukh to be rather ridiculous... she wouldn't be an Olympic Gold medalist without him and so much of the style attributed to Yulia are actually things she learned from Averbukh. I still think it's a good idea for her to go to Zueva though.
 
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I find most of this criticism of Averbukh to be rather ridiculous...

My criticism towards him is the complete change in everything; it was all great when she was winning all the time, she did poorly this season and he starts criticizing her and in this last interview bringing up her mother now is :disapp: . And I feel that airing your dirty laundry with someone through the media is very tasteless and if I was a skater I would think twice about using him because of the way he has handled himself this season when speaking of another skater. From what I've read Yulia has been very classy about everything with regards to Averbukh, its a shame he couldn't do the same - the person handling the 'break-up' more responsibly is the 16 year old not the 41 year old.

she wouldn't be an Olympic Gold medalist without him

I don't think its really fair to say that, because we can't say for certain that it's the case.

I still think it's a good idea for her to go to Zueva though.

Agree, change is a good thing and skaters can learn different things from different choreographers because everyone sees things differently.
 
I made a long post and deleted it because I don't feel like getting into a long argument with lots of tangents, but I find most of this criticism of Averbukh to be rather ridiculous... she wouldn't be an Olympic Gold medalist without him and so much of the style attributed to Yulia are actually things she learned from Averbukh. I still think it's a good idea for her to go to Zueva though.

I fully agree. People grow, some things just stop working. Averbukh is trying to explain things from his perspective, I cannot find faults in that. I enjoyed reading this interview.
 
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I fully agree. People grow, some things just stop working. Averbukh is trying to explain things from his perspective, I cannot find faults in that. I enjoyed reading this interview.

Absolutely. And to be honest, watching Shindlers List & Megapolis and comparing it to R&J or the programs she had in 2011-13, she benefited a great deal from working with him & I'm not sure how smart it was to burn bridges with him the way her mother & Eteri did. We shall see what Marina can deliver, but imo she hasn't done anything original for years.

He still says a lot of good things about Julia, about her Sochi programs, even saying she has the spirit of a champion even when talking about the difficulties they had this year. I don't see any of the anger or bitterness that people in this thread are attributing to him.
 
I think people like myself who are inspired by Yulia and still believe deeply in her find it very hard to not :rolleye: when he says "Yulia may never win another competition" and then a few sentences later say how uncertain the ladies situation in Russia is only to a few paragraphs later say "Elena has a bright future....at least the Korean Olympics is in her future".

It's subtle digs and maybe even subconscious statements of this nature that are making me glad she left him. It's clear he isn't loyal to her or at the very least doesn't believe in her like so many do. I don't and haven't disputed that he has helped Yulia's career and her work with him was mostly successful but it's also clear that he is better suited to work with skaters like Elena who perform to the audience and can finish the choreography for him. Yulia is trying to capture a mood by using peculiar athletics and a more limited set of movements. For me I've always enjoyed watching Elena but it's despite some of her choreography at times. I guess I just prefer a deeper approach where the meaning in a program isn't as obvious as it is beautiful and inspiring in its nature. Not that Lena doesn't inspire people but it is in a very different way.

FWIW....Ilya has a right to tell all and say whatever he wants but let's be clear. At least publicly...Ilya is more Or less the one burning bridges. All Yulia said was she will be no longer working with him and that she may work with him again. She and or Eteri have not come out and said anything negative about him. Not a word about his abilities.
 
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