Yulia Lipnitskaya

[witcher]

He has some kind of grudge against Julia now, I would not take anything he says too seriously either.

It is serious matter though.
We all accused him of not having enough time for Julia in the beginning of last season, thus of being indirect cause of Julia LP struggles. If he's saying the truth, we were wrong and unfair towards him. :disapp:

 

[winky97]

I don't think either that Eteri made those comments. She would poison the relationships between her, Yulia and Evgenia all the same time as well as present herself as gossipy. I don't believe she is that stupid. In my view it's more likely that Tara made this up or blew a comment out of proportions to put Eteri and her group on the defensive. It would be more dangerous to her if she had talked about a US group, but the Russians are an easier target.

Sorry, but do not think Tara is making this up or using Russians as the target group. Why would she want to put Eteri and her group on the defensive? Tara and Johnny are usually pretty supportive of the Russian ladies. This is not being said about a US group because the top US skaters who compete against each other don't generally train together. The idea that Tara would want to start something makes no sense to me. I think it is more likely there is a problem between the girls and Eteri said more than she should have, possible because she was annoyed at the moment.

Yulia seems to have a great relationship with the other Russian skaters, like Liza and Lena, but she is not training with them. It has to be somewhat difficult for her to be going through the transition that she is going through while training with the next big on the rise skater who is now her competitor. If these two young ladies are having problems it does not make them bad or spoiled, it makes them human. Heck, sometimes people just don't like each other. Maybe Yulia finds Evgenia to be annoying, who knows. Not that big a deal IMO. They don't have to like each other.

The larger problem is Eteri needs to keep family business in the family. She should not have put any information about this on the street and she likely regrets it now.

On a different note, I got to see SA live and would like to share an observation. After Yulia's long program, I sensed some disappointment from her, but even in the face of that, she skated over to the boards to greet her young fans and graciously receive the gifts they had for her. She was one of the first skaters all weekend to acknowledge her fans like this. There was a lot of love at SA for her and I think she felt it and appreciated it.

 

[Alba]

It is serious matter though.
We all accused him of not having enough time for Julia in the beginning of last season, thus of being indirect cause of Julia LP struggles. If he's saying the truth, we were wrong and unfair towards him. :disapp:

You need to refresh your memory. Mulan wasn't finished when presented at the closed Russian skate and he was busy with his show in Sochi during the summer and September. That's why many thought he didn't have much time for her. The program he's talking about it was before and she didn't like the music. It could be a masterpiece but if the person who's gonna skate a program the whole season doesn't like it that's it. There is no room for acting like a petulant child because it's not the end of the world. You either leave that skater, if you don't like to work with him/her anymore, or if you keep going you keep your mouth shut. You don't go around on every occasion being mean about a skater you're working with, and you continue that even when you're not working with her anymore. I'm sorry but I don't think we were wrong or unfair towards him and he is only confirming this every time he opens his mouth. I love the works he's done for Yulia and now with Evgenia. I do not like or appreciate anything about him as a person or a pro. towards Yulia.

 

[FSGMT]

I don't know about the choreography but Yulia's FD (after Mulan if I'm not mistaken or before?), was a different movie soundtrack (I don't remember the title right now) not the one Evgenia is using and Yulia said she couldn't stand the music. I'm always against mom's getting their nose in these things but still, nothing justify Ilia's attitude and words that he spent against Yulia since last season. If this is the problem he had with her than he's worse than I though. Only a petulant and prickly person would act like this just because his ego was touched. For god sake Ilia, stop acting like you are some kind of Petipa or Balanchine.

I don't know anything about this matter, but Evgenia's FS music is actually a movie soundtrack: it's from W.E. (which, if I'm not mistaken, was directed by Madonna), and it's a superb soundtrack (Paul/Islam used it during the Olympic season).

 

[Alba]

Sorry, but do not think Tara is making this up or using Russians as the target group. Why would she want to put Eteri and her group on the defensive? Tara and Johnny are usually pretty supportive of the Russian ladies. This is not being said about a US group because the top US skaters who compete against each other don't generally train together. The idea that Tara would want to start something makes no sense to me. I think it is more likely there is a problem between the girls and Eteri said more than she should have, possible because she was annoyed at the moment.

Yulia seems to have a great relationship with the other Russian skaters, like Liza and Lena, but she is not training with them. It has to be somewhat difficult for her to be going through the transition that she is going through while training with the next big on the rise skater who is now her competitor. If these two young ladies are having problems it does not make them bad or spoiled, it makes them human. Heck, sometimes people just don't like each other. Maybe Yulia finds Evgenia to be annoying, who knows. Not that big a deal IMO. They don't have to like each other.

The larger problem is Eteri needs to keep family business in the family. She should not have put any information about this on the street and she likely regrets it now.

I do agree with you. That's what I think too. TBH though I don't think Yulia and Evgenia were ever friends, even when Yulia was the rising star in Juniors and Seniors. So I don't think their relationship has anything to do with what Yulia is going through these last two seasons. As you said, nobody has to like everyone. With some we go along very well and with some we don't. Sometimes we just don't like a person even without a real reason. It doesn't make either of us bad persons or spoiled. I don't see any problem with that but I do see a big problem with Eteri not keeping her mouth shut. I can't trust a person who can't keep the inner circle things to herself, and it's even worse when this is your coach. There is a saying in italian, you wash your dirty clothes in your home not in public.

On a different note, I got to see SA live and would like to share an observation. After Yulia's long program, I sensed some disappointment from her, but even in the face of that, she skated over to the boards to greet her young fans and graciously receive the gifts they had for her. She was one of the first skaters all weekend to acknowledge her fans like this. There was a lot of love at SA for her and I think she felt it and appreciated it.

She is always very nice and available with her fans. She was like this at TEB last season when I saw her, at the arena and at the hotel.

 

[Alba]

I don't know anything about this matter, but Evgenia's FS music is actually a movie soundtrack: it's from W.E. (which, if I'm not mistaken, was directed by Madonna), and it's a superb soundtrack (Paul/Islam used it during the Olympic season).

Yes I know that. I said that the program he did for Yulia, which he's now saying it was for Yulia, was set to the music of a different movie soundtrack and I finally found the title. It was Perfect Sense, with Eva Green and Ewan McGregor. In anycase, it doesn't matter if it's a beautiful music or not. If a skater doesn't like it, it just doesn't work. No point in dragging the story and feel so touchy about it as Ilia's is doing.

 

[Meoima]

Sorry, but do not think Tara is making this up or using Russians as the target group. Why would she want to put Eteri and her group on the defensive? Tara and Johnny are usually pretty supportive of the Russian ladies. This is not being said about a US group because the top US skaters who compete against each other don't generally train together. The idea that Tara would want to start something makes no sense to me. I think it is more likely there is a problem between the girls and Eteri said more than she should have, possible because she was annoyed at the moment.

I also don't think Tara makes it up. But there are coaches and specialists working in their group, it doesn't have to be Eteri?

 

[koatcue]

Averbukh once again gave an interview and I get now why he is so bitter about Yulia...He said that Evgenia's long program was created for Yulia but her mother said that it can not be performed in competitions, so 1 year later he gave this choreography to Evgenia and isimmensely glad about it, because, from his words, he "feels Evgenia better"

 

[witcher]

You need to refresh your memory. Mulan wasn't finished when presented at the closed Russian skate and he was busy with his show in Sochi during the summer and September. That's why many thought he didn't have much time for her. The program he's talking about it was before and she didn't like the music. It could be a masterpiece but if the person who's gonna skate a program the whole season doesn't like it that's it.

He says she skated it very well and everything was fine though. I also remember Julia saying in interview, that she liked the program in the beginning, but had disliked in with time.
It's interesting when Julia's mom expressed her opposition towards the program. Was she against it from the get-go or just reacted later to Julia's complaints?

 

[Alba]

He says she skated it very well and everything was fine though. I also remember Julia saying in interview, that she liked the program in the beginning, but had disliked in with time.

Actually no, she said she couldn't handle to listen the music for more than a week. Obviously, she didn't said bad word about the program itself. She's not Ilia to trash people.
As I said, it might've been a masterpiece and she might have skated very well - in his opinion anyway. I doubt he would say she wasn't good for a program he apparently is still bitter - but if she didn't feel it like hers that's it. Besides, even if it was Yulia's mother who took that decision doesn't this make Ilia's behaviour worse? So you are still bitter and acting mean against a young skater just because she listen to her mom? Is that it?:sarcasm:

Averbukh once again gave an interview and I get now why he is so bitter about Yulia...He said that Evgenia's long program was created for Yulia but her mother said that it can not be performed in competitions, so 1 year later he gave this choreography to Evgenia and isimmensely glad about it, because, from his words, he "feels Evgenia better"

And Elena R, just not Yulia. But hey, how dare she turns down his masterpiece.
And he waits till Evgenia win her first competition to tell us about the story. How strange.

I also don't think Tara makes it up. But there are coaches and specialists working in their group, it doesn't have to be Eteri?

And why would she name her if she wasn't that person? Besides, only two people from their group were in SA, Eteri and Dudakov (which I doubt speaks english or that he spoke with Tara in anycase).

 

[EdgeCall]

The larger problem is Eteri needs to keep family business in the family. She should not have put any information about this on the street and she likely regrets it now.

There is no proof that Eteri made those comments, but you are already portraying it as a fact? Just because Tara said so? :sarcasm:

I still consider the propability of the comments being real as rather low. What motivation could Eteri have to make the inner problems in her group public? She would only hurt herself and make her own work more difficult. Tara however has little to worry about. As a commentator she is in the talking branch of the entertainment business and gossip is part of her job. It does not need to be true as long as it is entertaining. The yellow press makes billions of dollars each year with stuff like that. Tara will hardly be sued because of a report about an alleged catfight in group Tutberidze.

 

[Alba]

Interview of Zoueva about Yulia.

 

[Aestheticprawn]

I don't think either that Eteri made those comments. She would poison the relationships between her, Yulia and Evgenia all the same time as well as present herself as gossipy. I don't believe she is that stupid. In my view it's more likely that Tara made this up or blew a comment out of proportions to put Eteri and her group on the defensive. It would be more dangerous to her if she had talked about a US group, but the Russians are an easier target.

I think at worst Yulia asks not to skate with Evgenia because she makes her feel uncomfortable. When I skate with people that are better than me (not saying that Evgenia is better) I feel awkward. Here's a good question, if Yulia and Evgenia never speak then why does she make faces at her? There are a few girls at my rink that I don't talk to and I never feel comfortable enough to make faces at them without looking like some crazy person.

 

[tulosai]

Interview of Zoueva about Yulia.

Thanks for this one!

 

[Alba]

I think at worst Yulia asks not to skate with Evgenia because she makes her feel uncomfortable. When I skate with people that are better than me (not saying that Evgenia is better)

They were never friends. Not even when Yulia was feeling comfortable and shining. Why is this becoming an issue all of a sudden after SA? Is it so strange not to like someone, even if it's in your same group?
They most probably don't train together anyway. As I said many top skaters don't train in the same group.

The issue it's not that these two don't like each other, or even if it's only Yulia not liking her. I don't care about that. The issue is if Eteri said those things to Tara.

 

[minze]

Tara also said that in practice Eteri favors Egvenia. I don't know if Tara is making things up, but if true this is a case of a coach puting top skaters against each other. Mishin did it to Plushy and Yagudin.

I hope Yulia can find support from her federation and a coaching team, she needs time and I hope she gets it.

In many ways Yulia finds her self in a similar situation to Mao when Mao was 19. Yulia is younger and has time to work out her issues before next Olympics.
Mao was able to work on her issues because, she had a supportive coach who gave her all the attention she needed it. Her federation was supportive at least in public.



What ever happens Yulia has accomplished more than many skaters who competed longer. World medal, Olympic medal.

 

[Alba]

Tara also said that in practice Eteri favors Egvenia. I don't know if Tara is making things up, but if true this is a case of a coach puting top skaters against each other. Mishin did it to Plushy and Yagudin.

I hope Yulia can find support from her federation and a coaching team, she needs time and I hope she gets it.

In many ways Yulia finds her self in a similar situation to Mao when Mao was 19. Yulia is younger and has time to work out her issues before next Olympics.
Mao was able to work on her issues because, she had a supportive coach who gave her all the attention she needed it. Her federation was supportive at least in public.



What ever happens Yulia has accomplished more than many skaters who competed longer. World medal, Olympic medal.

I hope she takes Mao's example. She always competed, difficult times included. She never gave up and had a long and great career. Look at her now, it seems the best it's yet to come. It's just amazing.

 

[Amei]

I'd like to see Julia in Michigan all of the time :yes: It could open a whole new world for her in so many ways and give her a nice breath of fresh air. I think it would be so good for her to get away and re-identify herself.

Either that or it's time to go to CSKA

Sorry Eteri and I have no Ill will but she looks checked out to me

Agree, and I seem to remember that Diana, Eteri's daughter, had made some not so nice comments about Yulia in the off-season. However, at least when Yulia first moved to Moscow - she and her mother both said it was either she skated with Eteri or they would quit, so the big question would be, has THAT changed?

 

[Alba]

Agree, and I seem to remember that Diana, Eteri's daughter, had made some not so nice comments about Yulia in the off-season. However, at least when Yulia first moved to Moscow - she and her mother both said it was either she skated with Eteri or they would quit, so the big question would be, has THAT changed?

It might have changed. First of all many years have passed since than and she is growing up now in all senses. Second, the rumors last season (after the RN) about her wanting to change coach and then they had that meeting at the Ministry of Sport together with Eteri. We will see though, she maybe very loyal to Eteri and weather the storm.

 

[mat]

The issue is if Eteri said those things to Tara.

It seems that Tutberidze put Julia up to this. As Averbukh before. Tutberidze doesn't know how to lift Julia up to the level that was Yulia before. Tutberidze decided that Julia will likely never get on the podium. The current failure of Julia in America strengthened Tutberidze and Averbukh in this opinion (Tutberidze always been considered the opinion Averbuch). And she spoke without looking back.