Yulia Lipnitskaya

[tulosai]

Well here's one of Yulia being gorgeous in the Kiss & Cry.
SP end spin & pose
LP end spin & pose
EX spread eagle
EX spiral

Thanks!

I don't think she should or will move to the US. However, as an American, I disagree with some of your comments, specifically about food and drinking.

Most importantly, it might be a stereotype that Americans are fat, but most Americans actually dedicate their lives to staying in shape, especially young adults! We don't sit around devouring huge burgers and pizzas all day (only a minute percentage of people are as obese in MEMES and other pictures the world uses to bash Americans). Currently as a teenager (17), many of my friends and I at school are in shape without the intense training Yulia endures every week. Her shape and endurance would not be affected by what she would [hypothetically] eat in the US.

My point is, don't use "beer" "pretzels" and "cake"to describe America's diet and the country itself.

A lot of Americans are fat, just not where you are (they are not fat in places where I've lived either for the record, but in places like LA/most of California, Washington DC where I lived most recently, and other cities, people do tend to be devoted to eating healthy and fitness as you describe.

However, in the south in particular (though not solely there), a lot of Americans are morbidly obese. I can site reputable statistics if you actually care but it's not just random memes that give this idea... as just a starting off point, would you agree that the NIH is reputable? http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...tics/Pages/overweight-obesity-statistics.aspx

The poor are also a lot more likely to be obese than the middle class. If you rarely see obese people no matter where you live that's partly due to your socioeconomic standing. Going back to Washington DC, I rarely saw obese people, but if I'd gone to the 'right' part of DC, instead of the middle class neighborhoods I lived and worked in and the museums and other stuff in my free time, they would have been there. How we process our food is also a huge issue, for those who eat processed food. Also, a lot of Americans are overweight (even if not obese) and I think many Americans idea of what overweight is is skewed. I don't think it does any good to turn a blind eye to the fact that the obesity problem is real in America.

However, this actually plays neatly into something else I do want to say- America is a really diverse country. Where Julia would be in Michigan it would probably be a lot of people who care about saying in shape as you describe, because they will largely be university students and educated people who are active.

Also though even in states and socioeconomic groups that are obese there is a lot more to American culture and society than that which was really the point I was trying to make. It is a true fact that in Russia it snows a lot more than in most places, and they drink a lot more vodka than in most places. Would I be right to say someone would not fit in there because all they do is sit inside in the snow and drink vodka? That was more my point.

Anyway this has gotten pretty off topic. Thanks everyone for talking to me about this. It is my real hope that the more our countries, and especially people in our countries, are able to talk to one another, the fewer misunderstandings will persist.

 

[alebi]

This conversation reminds me of some article I've read just few days ago, when american women were wondering how was it possible to see fewer obese women in Italy (than USA) with all the pasta they (we) eat. And the main reason is not even WHAT you eat but WHEN you eat. Obviously if you eat a 100 grams of pasta at dinner and then go to sleep you'll have a completely different effect than if you eat that 100 grams at lunch and then have a whole day to digest it. It was just to say that everywhere you can have a well-balanced diet if you are aware of it, and a professional athlete usually knows what and when he has to eat.

 

[witcher]

Yes she did said she couldn't stand the music after hearing it and skating for a week. I think it's somewhere between October or November pages, when she was asked again about her season and programs. Probably it's after CoC, the interview she gave to Tatiana Flade? :think:

You are the best, of course it is! :agree:

A: The first free program was choreographed, and it kind of worked, but then, when I started working on it, I realized that it wasn't my cup of tea at all. I couldn't even bear hearing the music, asked for it to be turned off. It was while we worked on choreography, when the music plays nonstop.

When we worked on the "Schindler's list", and I liked it more and more, but this time, it was the opposite. In the end, I said I didn't want to skate to it. I was told to bring the new music in a week. I was lost: where do I find it? Decided to ask fans.

Q: Did you get many suggestions?

A: Very. And there were mostly Japanese and Chinese melodies. We decided to try «Mulan» sountrack. I liked the program, but at the test skates everyone said it was awful, not a program at all, needed to be changed quickly. No one liked it. And since there wasn't any time left, we brought back «Romeo and Juliet». Everyone has agreed, we only had to find and cut the music.

Thanks god, I've no amnesia after all.
Maybe I've been reading it in wrong way, but I get clear impression from above words that she liked the program in the beginning or at least was pleased with it. Would she accept it and start practicing it, if she didn't? You all know Julia - she would not.
If so - Averbukh came, presented the idea, Julia's team accepted it, they set in on the ice and that's it. He went on to his shows, we know, he had plenty of them at the time.
She, with or without influence of her mom, changed her mind and that's where problems started to appear. He was busy, feds didn't like another program, preparation time was shrinking, etc..

I know it's all history, irrelevant to the present problems, but the fact is, many fans (including me) were dissing Ilia for "not having time for Olympic champion" and it seems we were not right. He might be a self-promoting classless buffoon, but at that particular moment in time, he was not to blame. That's all I wanted to say, sorry for a throwback.

 

[witcher]

This program is thoughtfully developed, a look back to that sometimes wild, sometimes ridiculous, sometimes tragic period. It is deep in humor, respect and cool. A colorful page of American history brought to us from Russia. Just as Gershwin entitled his tribute to the art culture of 1920's Paris, "An American in Paris," I think of this tribute to 1960's American pop culture as "A Russian in Boston."

 

[sjid]

I need to apologize yet again for an overly long post.

The greatest surprise in Zueva’s interview for me is that the Leningrad program is supposed to be about romance, ships, Scarlet Sails and a girl dreaming on the shore rather than about the blockade during WWII as I had assumed. I wonder if anybody happens to know what the composer had in mind? (I tried googling for it, but failed to find any information.)

Spiral, Ilya is like a spurned lover, it takes time and soul-searching to get over it. Last year he loved substitute #1 Radionova who was his ideal skater, now it's #2 Medvedeva who is a 100% match like no one before her, the future is predictable. Questions from reporters about Yulia provoke him into defending his wounded ego, if they stop asking most of this will disappear from the public domain.

Unfortunately the pattern of good practices followed by poor competitions was also present last year. This is much more complicated than repairing techniques (which we've been told before are solid except when it counts in competitions). Yulia has been through this again and again, which is why she was so upset in Finland where she hoped that things would be different after so much effort in the off-season.

Leningrad is a sophisticated composition that will mean different things to different people, even multiple meanings for a single person. It really doesn't matter what the composer intended. What counts for us is Yulia's reaction to the music as revealed in her performance and how it affects each of us (probably differently). When it comes to art, subjectivity is the most important criterion. Most composers avoid attaching meanings using words (to them words are inadequate abstractions), but they are very interested in how the music is performed. Yulia has reached a level where she really does express her feelings through music, so a lot of her message is from a realm beyond words. So too for the music Leningrad.

If Lipinsky believed her piece was factual, then she got her facts confused. Now remind me, how many journalism degrees has she earned?

Yulia will choose the coach whom she believes can help her most. She will always love Eteri.

 

[sjid]

This conversation reminds me of some article I've read just few days ago, when american women were wondering how was it possible to see fewer obese women in Italy (than USA) with all the pasta they (we) eat. And the main reason is not even WHAT you eat but WHEN you eat. Obviously if you eat a 100 grams of pasta at dinner and then go to sleep you'll have a completely different effect than if you eat that 100 grams at lunch and then have a whole day to digest it. It was just to say that everywhere you can have a well-balanced diet if you are aware of it, and a professional athlete usually knows what and when he has to eat.

When I paraphrased the famous Yulia comments that skaters don't drink alcohol but only sometimes indulge in cake, I was not referring to diets. Rather, I wanted to give an example of the degree of discipline that Yulia requires to succeed as a skater. Often I remind myself how her life is very strictly regulated and a degree of discipline that few of us would long tolerate is her norm. She cloisters herself for skating, her vision of skating.

When we think about Yulia moving, we need to consider her past. The derailment from press and fan attention, the conflict with Ilya. As Plushyfan observes, she needs time and peace. Well said. Everyone performing at her level sacrifices a lot socially, plus she insists on expressing herself which amounts to constant exploring and reworking of ideas in solitude. This skater-artist requires serenity, routine and a conducive environment, the more the better. We have seen what happens otherwise. That concern was behind the cake and alcohol reference, which was no more than a reminder of her reliance on discipline. I hope this puts that remark back in its box.

 

[sjid]

You are the best, of course it is! :agree:

Thanks god, I've no amnesia after all.
Maybe I've been reading it in wrong way, but I get clear impression from above words that she liked the program in the beginning or at least was pleased with it. Would she accept it and start practicing it, if she didn't? You all know Julia - she would not.
If so - Averbukh came, presented the idea, Julia's team accepted it, they set in on the ice and that's it. He went on to his shows, we know, he had plenty of them at the time.
She, with or without influence of her mom, changed her mind and that's where problems started to appear. He was busy, feds didn't like another program, preparation time was shrinking, etc..

I know it's all history, irrelevant to the present problems, but the fact is, many fans (including me) were dissing Ilia for "not having time for Olympic champion" and it seems we were not right. He might be a self-promoting classless buffoon, but at that particular moment in time, he was not to blame. That's all I wanted to say, sorry for a throwback.

It's not a throwback when Ilya keeps resurrecting the corpse. SL was not an adequate test of the Lipnitskaia-Averbuch partnership because the music and much of Yulia's thinking was in place when he belatedly arrived. Whether they initially accepted his free skate program or tried it out is unclear, and to me isn't relevant. What is clear is Yulia's rejection was a major blow to Ilya's ego, after which he resisted collaboration and change (remember he choreographed for Eteri, not Yulia!). He attacked her at every opportunity, and passive resistance (i.e., ignoring her requests for help) is a form of aggression. So witcher, if it weren't for the pattern of aggression I might concede that he was too busy to help. Based on what we know, I am not at all sure. Unfortunately this bizarre ugly mess is relevant to present problems, to the extent that it contributed to the mayhem which she has yet to overcome. I hope they are insulating Yulia from his raving.

 

[Micha]

You are the best, of course it is! :agree:

Thanks god, I've no amnesia after all.
Maybe I've been reading it in wrong way, but I get clear impression from above words that she liked the program in the beginning or at least was pleased with it. Would she accept it and start practicing it, if she didn't? You all know Julia - she would not.
If so - Averbukh came, presented the idea, Julia's team accepted it, they set in on the ice and that's it. He went on to his shows, we know, he had plenty of them at the time.
She, with or without influence of her mom, changed her mind and that's where problems started to appear. He was busy, feds didn't like another program, preparation time was shrinking, etc..

I know it's all history, irrelevant to the present problems, but the fact is, many fans (including me) were dissing Ilia for "not having time for Olympic champion" and it seems we were not right. He might be a self-promoting classless buffoon, but at that particular moment in time, he was not to blame. That's all I wanted to say, sorry for a throwback.

I agree with you.
But even thought it is all history now, it was the point where her struggling started. Maybe there was something more we don't know. I don't believe it was just body changing, last season she looked the same.
To tell the truth, I am not sure wheather she could sucessfully continue with Eteri, because Eteri seems to me be to on Ilja side everytime.
And I don't think that Eteri and Julia like each other too much... as many of you wrote.
I remember Medvjedeva kissing Eteri after sucessfull skate. She looks to be Nr. 1 for Eteri. No wonder that don't love each other. You would love your biggest rival?
But I feel that the relation between Julia and Eteri is (and always was) just on proffesional base. Not with Zujeva, Zujeva admires Julias qualities and speaks about her very nicely (from the last interview) and Julia likes her too.
Sorry for my English.

 

[Micha]

I know it's all history, irrelevant to the present problems, but the fact is, many fans (including me) were dissing Ilia for "not having time for Olympic champion" and it seems we were not right. He might be a self-promoting classless buffoon, but at that particular moment in time, he was not to blame. That's all I wanted to say, sorry for a throwback.

Not having the time is the most common excuse. He simply didn't want to work with her further. Had he wanted, he would surely found the time. But he is not to blame for not working furher with her. The rejections was hers. Most (if not all) of us wouldn't work with somebody, who sometimes likes it and sometimes refuses it. As I said, it was her right to say no, but there was his right to say no too.

 

[tulosai]

Not having the time is the most common excuse. He simply didn't want to work with her further. Had he wanted, he would surely found the time. But he is not to blame for not working furher with her. The rejections was hers. Most (if not all) of us wouldn't work with somebody, who sometimes likes it and sometimes refuses it. As I said, it was her right to say no, but there was his right to say no too.

They both 100% do and did have the right to say no. Either a choreographer or the person being choreographed for can terminate the relationship at any time, provided there is no choreography that has been paid for that has not yet been delivered. The issue is not that he didn't want to work with her anymore- he has the right to not want to work with her anymore, for any reason. It can be because she didn't like the program he made. It can be because he doesn't like her nose. It can be because she looked at him funny once. As long as he didn't 'owe' her any more work contractually, he was always free to stop. The problem is that, after the working relationship was terminated for whatever reason, he decided that he was going to say negative things to the press about her any time he was asked for over a year (and who knows how long it will go on- it could be for 5 years for all we know). This is wrong on quite a few levels, but most importantly it is just unprofessional. This is just not how you act when a professional relationship ends, no matter what happened behind the scenes. If a professional relationship ends it is best to either not comment or, to whatever extent you feel you must or really want to comment, to say at worst neutral things, but ideally nice ones. If you have nothing nice to say, it is best to say nothing.

 

[geiger]

Another drawing

https://cs7065.vk.me/c7004/v7004703/10d65/AjiaIUaBqCE.jpg

 

[tulosai]

Another drawing

https://cs7065.vk.me/c7004/v7004703/10d65/AjiaIUaBqCE.jpg

That is extremely beautiful!!

I wonder if she has or would ever consider selling her artwork? I would buy it... though probably I could not afford what people would actually be willing to pay

 

[geiger]

She does her drawings in a simple notebook - not an auction-able medium by any means But I am catching myself expecting her art posts much like as I am expecting her photos. Like herself, they are very expressive.

 

[Sam-Skwantch]

Yulia's art on a few occasions seems to feature a very pretty face with turmoil all around it. She's very talented. It must be tough with so many well wishers and so many detractors speaking about her publicly. I wish her the best and pray her creative talents continue to shine bright.

 

[Micha]

They both 100% do and did have the right to say no.

I read many times, how he should have found time for an olympic champion.

The problem is that, after the working relationship was terminated for whatever reason, he decided that he was going to say negative things to the press about her any time he was asked for over a year (and who knows how long it will go on- it could be for 5 years for all we know). This is wrong on quite a few levels, but most importantly it is just unprofessional.

OK, lets judge his comments 5 years later, when she will do well. If they will be negative, I will apologize
I often read his comments in press and he says negative things to other skaters too. Not only about Julia. And I can't remember any statement in which he wasn't right.
Or shouln't he comment anyone who he worked with or anyone who is champion?
I don't understand the logic of this.
Maybe the Russians on this forum could tell us wheather they feel that his behavior is tactless. I am from central Europe and this is a normal behavior, not tactless. He just openly says what he thing and is right.

 

[tulosai]

I read many times, how he should have found time for an olympic champion.

I personally never said this, but I do feel like this wasn't my point. When people were saying that, they thought he was still her choreographer. I am sure that if, at the time, one or both of them had said clearly that he was no longer her choreographer, people would not have said he should make time for her- of course if you aren't choreographing someone anymore, you have no obligation at all to make time for them. But my point was only that he didn't need to keep choreographing for her- and of course I don't think anyone thinks that just because she's Julia he should have had to make time for her even if he didn't want to choreograph for her anymore. When people said that, it was believed, due to her comments that she still wanted to work with him and was waiting for him to get back that he was still her choreographer. It appears now that after she made those comments, he made it clear he did not want to work with her anymore, and I have not heard anyone say that this was not his right.

 

[Yuri Shevchenko]

Hi, Yuri! Is it you?

Hi, Roman09!it's me!)))

 

[Yuri Shevchenko]

A big WELCOME to both of you!!!

Yulia has the gift to "transcend" her nationality. She's a treasure for the whole World
We should start a petition to add Yulia to the UNESCO World Heritage list

Hi!
it's a great idea! Julia really treasure the world! She is a man of world's!

 

[Yuri Shevchenko]

Hi Yuri! Hope all is well over in Russia.
Will you be heading to Yekaterinburg for Russian Nationals this year?

Hi, moviebuff! Yeeesss , I fly to the Russian Nationals!

 

[tulosai]

Hi, moviebuff! Yeeesss , I fly to the Russian Nationals!

Wonderful!