Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

[Alba]

I love him. He is beautiful to watch, no matter what.

 

[Interspectator]

I just hope he does well in the free program. Gooo Hanyu.

 

[Meoima]

I'll post my thoughts here and not in the LIVE thread because I want an opinion only from people who loves Yuzuru. I'm disappointed by this program: I'm not talking about the music or the choreo which I find exquisite, I'm not talking about Yuzu's mistakes because they can happen... I'm disappointed with the jumps' concept behind this program. Yuzuru already hit stellar scores with the traditional pattern: 4T - 3A - 3Lz+3T. I don't get where they want to go putting a majestic, reliable 3A at the beginning and the 4T in the second half. Yuzuru is the further thing from an athletic skater, he's fast but he has stamina's problems. Why they want to try something sooooo risky when you don't have the need. I wouldn't call it "progress", I can stand the risks in the FP, I can accept the idea to try the 3S or 3L in the short at most (this is what I call "progress") but I don't get the meaning of putting a toeloop in the second half only to get a little bonus but forcing your skater to push his energy.

That's Yuzuru's idea and no one can change his, even Orser. He thinks FS is about challenging himself. So okay let him do so. All skaters who go out to the rink are taking risk IMO.

He skated it cleanly in ice show before. So it's possible that he still can. Yuzuru is not an early season skater. So I don't worry much about him at this state.

Anyways, I am worried more about his health. He looks so pale today. And he still has the injury on his back.

 

[Pamigena]

.... only to get a little bonus but forcing your skater to push his energy.

whut? "forcing" him? I thought most of his interviews made it quite clear that he's the one who wants to change things up and challenge himself. And it doesn't seem to be too easy to talk him out of stuff like that. Wasn't there something about Orser wanting to take out the 4S and his answer was, I'm paraphrasing, "No way"?

 

[Interspectator]

I'll post my thoughts here and not in the LIVE thread because I want an opinion only from people who loves Yuzuru. I'm disappointed by this program: I'm not talking about the music or the choreo which I find exquisite, I'm not talking about Yuzu's mistakes because they can happen... I'm disappointed with the jumps' concept behind this program. Yuzuru already hit stellar scores with the traditional pattern: 4T - 3A - 3Lz+3T. I don't get where they want to go putting a majestic, reliable 3A at the beginning and the 4T in the second half. Yuzuru is the further thing from an athletic skater, he's fast but he has stamina's problems. Why they want to try something sooooo risky when you don't have the need. I wouldn't call it "progress", I can stand the risks in the FP, I can accept the idea to try the 3S or 3L in the short at most (this is what I call "progress") but I don't get the meaning of putting a toeloop in the second half only to get a little bonus but forcing your skater to push his energy.

I get what you are saying...but he's stubborn and putting the hard jumps at the end is probably something he insisted on.
Imagine the amount of points he'd get when he finally goes clean on this?

 

[HanDomi]

I wonder if working on quad lutz not affected his triple lutz ? Something wrong started to go with this jump for Yuzu :think:

 

[Maria Victoria]

I'll post my thoughts here and not in the LIVE thread because I want an opinion only from people who loves Yuzuru. I'm disappointed by this program: I'm not talking about the music or the choreo which I find exquisite, I'm not talking about Yuzu's mistakes because they can happen... I'm disappointed with the jumps' concept behind this program. Yuzuru already hit stellar scores with the traditional pattern: 4T - 3A - 3Lz+3T. I don't get where they want to go putting a majestic, reliable 3A at the beginning and the 4T in the second half. Yuzuru is the further thing from an athletic skater, he's fast but he has stamina's problems. Why they want to try something sooooo risky when you don't have the need. I wouldn't call it "progress", I can stand the risks in the FP, I can accept the idea to try the 3S or 3L in the short at most (this is what I call "progress") but I don't get the meaning of putting a toeloop in the second half only to get a little bonus but forcing your skater to push his energy.

I get where you're coming from and I too prefer the old jump lay-out. I have a feeling though putting the 4T in the second half was Yuzuru's idea in the same way he insisted last season in having the 4S in his free.

Edit: I see others have the same thoughts.

 

[unico]

I'll post my thoughts here and not in the LIVE thread because I want an opinion only from people who loves Yuzuru. I'm disappointed by this program: I'm not talking about the music or the choreo which I find exquisite, I'm not talking about Yuzu's mistakes because they can happen... I'm disappointed with the jumps' concept behind this program. Yuzuru already hit stellar scores with the traditional pattern: 4T - 3A - 3Lz+3T. I don't get where they want to go putting a majestic, reliable 3A at the beginning and the 4T in the second half. Yuzuru is the further thing from an athletic skater, he's fast but he has stamina's problems. Why they want to try something sooooo risky when you don't have the need. I wouldn't call it "progress", I can stand the risks in the FP, I can accept the idea to try the 3S or 3L in the short at most (this is what I call "progress") but I don't get the meaning of putting a toeloop in the second half only to get a little bonus but forcing your skater to push his energy.

Hmmm, the point of putting the quad into the second half isn't for the tiny increase in BV (like, a miniscule 0.2 or something lol), I don't think, but because he felt that it was needed as training for his LP, that he needs to teach himself how to land his jumps later in the program when he's a bit tired. It's not about point grabbing but self-discipline and training himself for higher goals :yes: And his 4T is still super consistent so I don't think it's much of a gamble, but today was just an off day.

Anyway, people like to bring up his "arc" of how well he does over an entire season, and here I found the graphic again: https://31.media.tumblr.com/99e646255e27413418ee06101de2ae19/tumblr_n502rqeJNu1tzz5b7o1_1280.jpg GP1 is a bit.... haha.

 

[Nomi]

[ Yuzuru is not an early season skater. So I don't worry much about him at this state.

.[/QUOTE]

:agree: Hanyu is not one to skate so strongly at beginning of season, but he always thinks carefully how to improve, and he works so hard to do that.

after the skate he said in interview that he is upset at his performance today and was surprised at the judges marks (he thought it would be much worse), but he said he will focus clearly for tomorrow. Hanyu has power to concentrate and do that! I am so excited for tomorrow! Because of today he can see what he needs to work on; he thinks so intelligently about his skating, and he has a wonderful coach and support. :yes:

 

[alebi]

whut? "forcing" him? I thought most of his interviews made it quite clear that he's the one who wants to change things up and challenge himself. And it doesn't seem to be too easy to talk him out of stuff like that. Wasn't there something about Orser wanting to take out the 4S and his answer was, I'm paraphrasing, "No way"?

I couldn't follow all the off-seasons interviews, but I expected it was Yuzu's fault Yuzuru is a natural warrior but his entourage is made by adult and experienced persons and sometimes you need to slow down the fearless youngster for his health I didn't want to argue, I only hope he doesn't insist on something extraordinary only to be the first to do it

Hmmm, the point of putting the quad into the second half isn't for the tiny increase in BV (like, a miniscule 0.2 or something lol), I don't think, but because he felt that it was needed as training for his LP, that he needs to teach himself how to land his jumps later in the program when he's a bit tired. It's not about point grabbing but self-discipline and training himself for higher goals :yes: And his 4T is still super consistent so I don't think it's much of a gamble, but today was just an off day.

Anyway, people like to bring up his "arc" of how well he does over an entire season, and here I found the graphic again:https://31.media.tumblr.com/99e64625...5b7o1_1280.jpg GP1 is a bit.... haha.

wow that graphic is interesting! thank you
I could also agree with your opinion, until it doesn't hurt Yuzu it's ok

 

[matmuh]

after the skate he said in interview that he is upset at his performance today and was surprised at the judges marks (he thought it would be much worse), but he said he will focus clearly for tomorrow.

thats one of the reasons i love him, he is really honest when he thinks judges give him higher marks than he expects, he isnt like other skaters who win by undeserved scores, and isnt afraid to admit he didnt deserve it

 

[lady_bee]

His under eyes look a bit dark... I guess his placement is a good motivation for tomorrow though. Let us see what his plan b would be...

and his lips
It was the same color I saw when he finished his R&J program at WC in NICE.
I wonder whether he is not sleeping well, or still having some pain related to his injury or asthma. I hope he will be feeling much better tomorrow.

 

[Nomi]

Anyway, people like to bring up his "arc" of how well he does over an entire season, and here I found the graphic again: https://31.media.tumblr.com/99e646255e27413418ee06101de2ae19/tumblr_n502rqeJNu1tzz5b7o1_1280.jpg GP1 is a bit.... haha.

Thank you for this, very interesting to see his history visually

 

[Pamigena]

I couldn't follow all the off-seasons interviews, but I expected it was Yuzu's fault Yuzuru is a natural warrior but his entourage is made by adult and experienced persons and sometimes you need to slow down the fearless youngster for his health I didn't want to argue, I only hope he doesn't insist on something extraordinary only to be the first to do it

nobody's arguing I don't think they'd let him do anything extraordinarily stupid. I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about but I always get the impression that his team is taking good care of him (and how I hate them all for being sane and cautions people and not letting him go to Finlandia because it was the smart thing to do at the time)

 

[Pamigena]

oh thank God, please tell me this is what I think it is

 

[foruiz]

oh thank God, please tell me this is what I think it is

At least it is not gold! We will find out...soon!

Well the crazy layout was Yuzu's own decision... He said before that he want's to step out of his comfort zone lest the new younger skater's out could easily edge him out of the game similarly to his very own experience with Chan. He might get low scores for this competition but I am sure he is thinking of the macro more than the now. Anyway it is still too early in the season and I am sure there will be tweaks here and there...

Here is part of what he said after his program "I have made the program more difficult in order to bring development and growth to myself, instead of trying to get a higher score.I hope that I can challenge something new in this season. " (Translated by Xinyi Wu from the Yuzuru Hanyu FB page

 

[Hanmgse]

Just watched Yuzuru's SP. Well to begin. I have to say I absolutely love this program. Unfortunately the jumps weren't there today, though his 3A was a thing of beauty like always and in general he was a bit off. But well hope he does great in the free

 

[Doublemeat]

oh thank God, please tell me this is what I think it is

Black and white!!!!! Thank GOD!!!!!

 

[treeloving]

I still have great hope for the lp! I have a feeling that he will do well!

 

[shiroKJ]

Sad he didn't do this program justice today, but lets hope he'll nail it by the finals

My thoughts: His spins were off (from his usual quality), he looked like a zombie with his under eye circles/color drained face and his jumps were way off. The popped 4T had good entry and air position so I guess he just hesitated in the middle of it but at least he got in the 3T, which could have been singled The stsq wasn't as good as what we saw during the shows but that's likely due to him being mentally checked out after those 2 failed jump passes. Gorgeous 3A though Tomorrow's another day, so lets look foward to that now