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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

Meoima said:
Thanks to Vanshilar who has calculating the jumps of several skaters at GPF 2014, I have calculated the average of Yuzuru, Javi and Voronov's jumps, and here's the data:

1) All the jumps except the single loop and luzt. Had Yuzuru didn't fall on that 3luzt at the end, the his height average must be higher a bit.
Yuzuru: 4S+4T+3F+3Lz+2T+3A+3T+3A+3S+3Lo+3Lz= 477/11 (jumps) = 43.4 cm average on each jump
Javi: 4T+ 3S+2T+3A+4S+3F+3S+3Lo+2T+3T=407/10 (jumps) = 40.7 cm average on each jump
Voronov: 4T+3A+2T+3T+3T+3lutz+3A+3S+3Lo+2T+2Lo+2A = 499/12 (jumps) = 41.6 cm average on each jump

2) But if we ONLY count the different types of jump, then
Yuzuru (he jumps all 6 types of jumps): 4S+4T+3A+3F+3Lz+3Lo= 296/6 (types of jumps) = 48.83 cm average on each jump
Javi (he singled the luzt at GPF, but let's assume his lutz is as high as Yuzuru's which is 50cm): 286/6= 47.66 cm average on each jump
Voronov (he only jumped 5 types of jumps, no flip): 4T+3A+3S+3luzt+3lo= 235/5 = 47 cm average on each jump
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Thank you for averaging it out for us. It would be interesting to see how Patrick and even Kovtun stacks up as well... :think: How exciting would it be if Patrick, Yuzuru, and Javi are all in top form next season :drama:
 
shiroKJ said:
Thank you for averaging it out for us. It would be interesting to see how Patrick and even Kovtun stacks up as well... :think: How exciting would it be if Patrick, Yuzuru, and Javi are all in top form next season :drama:
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For sure Patrick vs Yuzuru rivalry next year can bring back some good wars on GS between fans of both as Tatsuki retired :laugh2:

I can already see thread "Patrick Chan vs Yuzuru Hanyu: Round 1" :laugh2:
 
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HanDomi said:
For sure Patrick vs Yuzuru rivalry next year can bring back some good wars on GS between fans of both as Tatsuki retired :laugh2:

I can already see thread "Patrick Chan vs Yuzuru Hanyu: Round 1" :laugh2:
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Round 1 went to Hanyu last season. Its going to be Round 2 next season, so get ready to ding the bell for a rematch! :popcorn:
 
cruzceleste said:
Looking for information on Nanami sensei (I know she does choreography in Sendai an I think she still works at Sendai rink), I found this old post from Morozombi, I have been dying laughing:
From 2011 also this
About this year SP, man, I´m dying :rofl:, specially this part:
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I really think that Jeff Buttle did amazing choreo for Yuzuru to Chopin. What I would give to see LP choreo from Jeff for Yuzuru :bow:
 
shiroKJ said:
Thank you for averaging it out for us. It would be interesting to see how Patrick and even Kovtun stacks up as well... :think: How exciting would it be if Patrick, Yuzuru, and Javi are all in top form next season :drama:
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I think Kovtun might have the highest jumps, but not the longest jumps. As the documentary has pointed out. Russian skaters belong to the jump-up-and-down-group, while Yuzuru, Patrick, Carolina, Han Yan... belong to the jump-across-the-ice-group.

So I think in term of height, Kovtun, Gachinski, Plushy, Yagudin, Kulik...might edge other out. But in term of jumps that have good ice coverage, Yuzuru and Patrick, Han Yan...will edge them out.

Let's not forget that Yuzuru was not in his top form at GPF (and I think maybe Javi as well), had both him and Javi were super clean, I am sure their height might be even more amazing.
 
Meoima said:
I think Kovtun might have the highest jumps, but not the longest jumps. As the documentary has pointed out. Russian skaters belong to the jump-up-and-down-group, while Yuzuru, Patrick, Carolina, Han Yan... belong to the jump-across-the-ice-group.

So I think in term of height, Kovtun, Gachinski, Plushy, Yagudin, Kulik...might edge other out. But in term of jumps that have good ice coverage, Yuzuru and Patrick, Han Yan...will edge them out.

Let's not forget that Yuzuru was not in his top form at GPF (and I think maybe Javi as well), had both him and Javi were super clean, I am sure their height might be even more amazing.
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I think one of his problems with 4S is that he travels a lot in the air. Actually Javi is jumping 4S more straight in the air, while Yuzuru is taking huge speed to it and exploding across with 4S like crazy, and if there is something not perfect with it he is going to be unable to control landing. It looks spectacular when he lands it, but it would be more reliable if he would be able to do it more straigth up and down I think :scratch:
 
HanDomi said:
I think one of his problems with 4S is that he travels a lot in the air. Actually Javi is jumping 4S more straight in the air, while Yuzuru is taking huge speed to it and exploding across with 4S like crazy, and if there is something not perfect with it he is going to be unable to control landing. It looks spectacular when he lands it, but it would be more reliable if he would be able to do it more straigth up and down I think :scratch:
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Yes, as the documentary has pointed out, the up-and-down jumps are often easily to keep your axis straight, thus you might land better.

But I guess the type of jumps also have to do with technique you have learnt from young and it's not possible to change at this point. It's not like you can switch from the jump-across-the-ice type to up-and-down type that easy. So I guess they will have to live with their type, find peace with it.
Of course with some revelation... Who knows.

Anyways at GPF he had had more time to practice, relax and the abdominal pain was not there, and he had landed 4S in GPF practice. We all heard that at Nationals practice he lacked practice and didn't landed the 4S in practice. He did minimum jumps and moves on ice as well (due to his abdominal pain I guess). So I think there's high probability at Nationals it also had to do with lack of practice.
 
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HanDomi said:
I think one of his problems with 4S is that he travels a lot in the air. Actually Javi is jumping 4S more straight in the air, while Yuzuru is taking huge speed to it and exploding across with 4S like crazy, and if there is something not perfect with it he is going to be unable to control landing. It looks spectacular when he lands it, but it would be more reliable if he would be able to do it more straigth up and down I think :scratch:
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i dont know , it might be easier and safer way to land the jump but i feel like when you jump up-down it would have more impact on your body than across the ice,i think when you jump across the ice it will reduce the impact considering the angles, its like when you dive into the water vs riding waterslide ( i dont know if i am making any sense, sorry :laugh: )
 
Mii9000 from the other forum has posted part 2 of the documentary about Yuzuru's jump:
Thank you soooo much Mii9000 :cheer:
Mii9000 said:
I added the rest of Part II. I hope these make sense. Skating terms are difficult to translate for me (pika14)

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Data Man Part II
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2dnf8h_データ-後半_sport

Mr. Himura tried to jump. Takeshi did a double jump on land.
Talked about the edges of skates.

The edge work affects the speed of skating before jumps.
Yuzu’s skating speed before 4TL jump is 6.90m/sec. The reason why he can skate that fast lies in his three turn.

If the curve of the three turn is gentle, when you turn, more friction is caused to slow down the skating speed. ((Why did they have to compare Brian Joubert to Yuzu?)) Yuzu’s curve is sharp, so he can keep the speed.

Less slowing down → faster speed going into a jump → a good jump
A three turn with sharp curves is possible by deep edge work.

(7:20~) to experience edge work
The time it takes to skate a rink without using edges takes = 1:15
The time it takes to skate a rink using edges = 0:36

Yuzu has been further improving on his skating skills since 2 years ago in Canada. They compared his three turn two years ago with that at Sochi. The difference is clear. (10:41)

Takeshi’s comment: To have a deep edge, you need to tilt your upper body, but it becomes more difficult to keep balance. But if you have a deep edge, you skate better.

This also makes it possible for him to jump in a flow (he does not need a long preparation before jumping).

Landing
They looked at the angle of inclination of Yuzu’s body when he lands his 4TL.
When a skater jumps, he/she not only jumps up vertically, but also jumps away horizontally. It causes momentum to move to the direction the skater jumped to. To land, the skater needs to stop the momentum/to absorb the shock by using your knee and ankle. If that is not enough, you move your upper body toward the front of your body to kill the momentum. Like Denis’s jump, if you bend your upper body deeply, it kills the speed too much and hence it does not give you a good flow out of the jump. The deeper the tilt is, more you slow down.

The angle of inclination of Yuzu’s landing posture is 43 degrees.
The angle of inclination of Patrick’s landing posture is 60 degrees.
The angle of inclination of Denis’s landing posture is 79 degrees.

The speed of running edge out of a jump does not slow down much in Yuzu’s case. This also makes his jumps beautiful.

The professor said Yuzu must have developed his inner muscles to support his upper body to make that landing posture possible and have practiced many times to be able to keep that posture.
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matmuh said:
i dont know , it might be easier and safer way to land the jump but i feel like when you jump up-down it would have more impact on your body than across the ice,i think when you jump across the ice it will reduce the impact considering the angles, its like when you dive into the water vs riding waterslide ( i dont know if i am making any sense, sorry :laugh: )
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Interesting point! If he takes off with a lower angle to the ice (he travels more horizontally than vertically), then his vertical speed would be less than it would be if he were to take off at a higher angle (travel more vertically than horizontally). Logically speaking, less vertical speed would minimize impact on his body, I think? However, this is hard to say because although Yuzuru has much greater speed horizontally, his vertical speed is still comparable to that of a skater who jumps up-down. In other words, I think Yuzuru suffers less impact compared to if he used a different technique (i.e. higher angle takeoff), but compared to other skaters, I imagine he suffers around the same impact (not considering body type) just because his jumps have so much speed in general.
 
owl said:
Interesting point! If he takes off with a lower angle to the ice (he travels more horizontally than vertically), then his vertical speed would be less than it would be if he were to take off at a higher angle (travel more vertically than horizontally). Logically speaking, less vertical speed would minimize impact on his body, I think? However, this is hard to say because although Yuzuru has much greater speed horizontally, his vertical speed is still comparable to that of a skater who jumps up-down. In other words, I think Yuzuru suffers less impact compared to if he used a different technique (i.e. higher angle takeoff), but compared to other skaters, I imagine he suffers around the same impact (not considering body type) just because his jumps have so much speed in general.
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i was just guessing using my little knowledge of physics:biggrin: , of course should ask someone actually does it,it seems to me that its just because he can jump higher and longer? he can decrease the affect of vertical impact and land his jumps beautifully, when you look at up-down jumpers they dont have the same running edge as he does, its like kurt browning said about his landings " right amount of height for the right amount of distance so that your body comes down like a float plane onto a smooth lake and no flow is lost", right technique is everything i guess :laugh:
 
matmuh said:
i was just guessing using my little knowledge of physics:biggrin: , of course should ask someone actually does it,it seems to me that its just because he can jump higher and longer? he can decrease the affect of vertical impact and land his jumps beautifully, when you look at up-down jumpers they dont have the same running edge as he does, its like kurt browning said about his landings " right amount of height for the right amount of distance so that your body comes down like a float plane onto a smooth lake and no flow is lost", right technique is everything i guess :laugh:
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Didn't he also say something about Yuzuru's jumps "dropping from heaven" or something? :laugh: I totally agree though :agree:
 
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