Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

[alia jackson]

Tumblr went crazy for Yuzu during Sochi because he looks like Kpop stars (Korean pop) and all the kpop fandom went crazy for him. I'm thinking he must have followers in Korea too...anybody know? I know there is China fan club, and we saw the support for him was strong in CoC, just look at the gifts after the LP.

 

[annca]

Just watched his short at Sochi again, so goodddddd. The quality of elements are amazing . Truly deserve world record.

:agree: amazing quality! ( We're not worthy! LOL)

I have to say, after today, i feel sorry for yuzuru. If it's him, many are shouting inflated or overscored but when its someone other than him getting the same treatment, heaps of praise comes forth even when his performances are far better than the other (only problem is fall)
I feel so ashamed and sorry for his jumps and spins that are not getting the goes that it deserve. Such beautiful quality not getting enough love and are often overlooked since people prefer to focus on his faults.

And i feel sorry for him for having so many misfortunes on his health this season that prevents him from skating to his full capabilty in competitions.

I hope and pray that when he does compete at worlds, that he will be in good health and be able to give performances that he can be proud of.

 

[adelia]

Samsung was the major sponsor at Sochi. And they didn't help Yuna get that 2nd gold despite her making no mistake. Note that I am on the neutral side, whoever might have taken that gold is no concern to me, be it Adelina or Yuna or Caro, since all of them skated so well. They can give that gold to whoever I don't care much. But that leave me something to think.

I know Yuzuru's biggest obstacle is his health, no deny.

But it's more complicated than that, if you're Asian! Live in East Asia... You will understand the nationalism culture here better. I have seen how it was at many Olympic events, for example World Cup 2002, Beijing 2008. Then recently, the Asian game...

I think if all the top contenders at the next Olympic go clean, there's little possibility that they will choose Yuzuru again.

There is a reason for what happened in Sochi and I don't wish to go into that here.

And yes, I have lived in East Asia (altho not at the present moment). And I am in fact of East Asian ethnicity. I'm well aware of what happened at all the events you cited. The best example would actually be boxing in Seoul '88. But in every event mentioned, the home team had a strong contender. Koreans won't have a strong challenger for 2018. The closest to that would be Ten. If Ten and Yuzuru both turn up and skate cleanly however, the ISU will still go with Yuzuru. ISU does not stand to gain that much from sticking their neck out for Ten and the Korean Fed will not put that much effort into swaying them because it is a favour better spent on their speed skaters.

 

[Maria Victoria]

Samsung was the major sponsor at Sochi. And they didn't help Yuna get that 2nd gold despite her making no mistake. Note that I am on the neutral side, whoever might have taken that gold is no concern to me, be it Adelina or Yuna or Caro, since all of them skated so well. They can give that gold to whoever I don't care much. But that leave me something to think.

I know Yuzuru's biggest obstacle is his health, no deny.

But it's more complicated than that, if you're Asian! Live in East Asia... You will understand the nationalism culture here better. I have seen how it was at many Olympic events, for example World Cup 2002, Beijing 2008. Then recently, the Asian game... Koreans might even welcome Russian skaters much better than the Japanese.

I think if all the top contenders at the next Olympic go clean, there's little possibility that they will choose Yuzuru again.

Ah Meoima, I hope you're anti-jinxing him again.

 

[Meoima]

There is a reason for what happened in Sochi and I don't wish to go into that here.

And yes, I have lived in East Asia (altho not at the present moment). And I am in fact of East Asian ethnicity. I'm well aware of what happened at all the events you cited. The best example would actually be boxing in Seoul '88. But in every event mentioned, the home team had a strong contender. Koreans won't have a strong challenger for 2018. The closest to that would be Ten. If Ten and Yuzuru both turn up and skate cleanly however, the ISU will still go with Yuzuru. ISU does not stand to gain that much from sticking their neck out for Ten and the Korean Fed will not put that much effort into swaying them because it is a favour better spent on their speed skaters.

Let's hope so.

I'd say everyday I see terrible comments of my people about the other countries in East Asia about how dirty they are etc etc... Then in turn I read their comments about my people and so funny that all sound the same as my people comments about them. Mutual...hatred or stupidity. But I hope it's not that bad by the time it's Olympic.

 

[Fer]

Tumblr went crazy for Yuzu during Sochi because he looks like Kpop stars (Korean pop) and all the kpop fandom went crazy for him. I'm thinking he must have followers in Korea too...anybody know? I know there is China fan club, and we saw the support for him was strong in CoC, just look at the gifts after the LP.

I think he has lots of fans in Korea too because I saw there were some videos translated into Korean on the youtube. And I remembered someone told me their websites about Yuzuru is also great although I did not check that. There are not many audiences in 4CC this time. I am wondering if there will be more if Yuruzu has come.

 

[Marin]

No, I think you are wrong. And what happened in Sochi is not applicable in this case (I don't want to go into detail abt that in an open forum). The major obstacle to Yuzuru winning a second gold is his health, not the ISU. The ISU would more than welcome a Japanese gold medalist in 2018 because Japan is where most of the sponsorship and money from TV rights are coming from.

Agreed 100 %

 

[shiroKJ]

However, cheer up! Even if Yuzuru doesn't do well at Worlds, it may also be a good thing for him. It's time that JSF realizes they can't mistreat yuzuru and still want him to get gold all the time. I think, JSF should have already learnt a lesson today.

I dont think they would care that much tbh. We can already see that they're pushing for Shoma now since they know that Yuzuru already has tons of fans that they can make money off of. It's the circle of profit lol. It's not like their the only fed doing this, we see it time and time again in other countries as well. It would be a plus for them if their top star keeps winning but if they don't its not a huge problem if they have younger skaters to push for. Kanako and yuzuru experienced this too when they first started out...they probably know how this game is played. In the end you just have to do you. Give it your all and rely on your own abilities.

And i agree that his biggest obstacle is his own health.But I also think it will be extremely hard for him to win in 2018...for muliple reasons.

 

[Meoima]

I dont think they would care that much tbh. We can already see that they're pushing for Shoma now since they know that Yuzuru already has tons of fans that they can make money off of. It's the circle of profit lol. It's not like their the only fed doing this, we see it time and time again in other countries as well. It would be a plus for them if their top star keeps winning but if they don't its not a huge problem if they have younger skaters to push for. Kanako and yuzuru experienced this too when they first started out...they probably know how this game is played. In the end you just have to do you. Give it your all and rely on your own abilities.
And i agree that his biggest obstacle is his own health.But I also think it will be extremely hard for him to win in 2018...for muliple reasons.

Finally someone has the same realistic view as me. :thumbsup:

 

[alia jackson]

:agree: amazing quality! ( We're not worthy! LOL)

I have to say, after today, i feel sorry for yuzuru. If it's him, many are shouting inflated or overscored but when its someone other than him getting the same treatment, heaps of praise comes forth even when his performances are far better than the other (only problem is fall)
I feel so ashamed and sorry for his jumps and spins that are not getting the goes that it deserve. Such beautiful quality not getting enough love and are often overlooked since people prefer to focus on his faults.

And i feel sorry for him for having so many misfortunes on his health this season that prevents him from skating to his full capabilty in competitions.

I hope and pray that when he does compete at worlds, that he will be in good health and be able to give performances that he can be proud of.

I feel you

Meoima today called-out to one of the hater, and just now another posted such a stupid statement in regards to Yuzu's fans on GS. They dragged his name to every competition thread :disapp:

 

[jace93]

:agree: amazing quality! ( We're not worthy! LOL)

I have to say, after today, i feel sorry for yuzuru. If it's him, many are shouting inflated or overscored but when its someone other than him getting the same treatment, heaps of praise comes forth even when his performances are far better than the other (only problem is fall)
I feel so ashamed and sorry for his jumps and spins that are not getting the goes that it deserve. Such beautiful quality not getting enough love and are often overlooked since people prefer to focus on his faults.

And i feel sorry for him for having so many misfortunes on his health this season that prevents him from skating to his full capabilty in competitions.

I hope and pray that when he does compete at worlds, that he will be in good health and be able to give performances that he can be proud of.

It's the problem of being number One: look at Patrick Chan, sure he was overscored and won two wc in a dubious manner, but still plenty of people "hated" him so much that they could never even notice the good aspect of his skating, or admit that sometimes he deserved his wins... the same people at the time had nothing but praise for Yuzu, but now are trying very hard to find every little fault in his skating... you can bet that if Denis or Joshua, or whoever will become number one they will start to try to tore him down too... they aren't hardcore fans, they're hardcore haters IMO...

 

[matmuh]

Finally someone has the same realistic view as me. :thumbsup:

i dont know what you mean by that just because we dont agree with some of your statements doesnt mean our opinions arent realistic or we are dreamers and not living in real world :think:

 

[Eloyse]

And i agree that his biggest obstacle is his own health.But I also think it will be extremely hard for him to win in 2018...for muliple reasons.

I agree that it's extremely hard for yuzuru to win in 2018. However, I feel it's not right to develop a conspiracy theory now. I don't agree that Denis Ten benefited from home inflation today. Just look at sp, Ten and Shoma both got +2 goe for their 3a. Do you think it can be justified? I would say, Ten actually got less inflation than Shoma at this event. Plus, seeing the scores of others, if Ten doesn't get 280+ I think he is comparatively underscored. 4CC scores are generally inflated so there is no need to panic now.

 

[gsyzf]

Most of the fans and the skating community (skaters, coaches, judges and commentators) appreciate Yuzuru’s skills. Only a small number of fans don’t appreciate his skills. (I don’t understand why they wouldn’t. Yuzu’s skills are so obvious.) I will just ignore this kind of fans.

I personally think Yuzuru is better in every aspect (jumps, spins, skating skill) of skating than Denis Ten Denis is good too, but I think Yuzu is better.

I am wondering if the men performed better at 4CC because it’s a low pressure competition that has less prestige. The men performed worse at Europeans because it’s a more prestigious competition, so the skaters felt more pressure.

 

[Meoima]

i dont know what you mean by that just because we dont agree with some of your statements doesnt mean our opinions arent realistic or we are dreamers and not living in real world :think:

I never say that. If anything I'd say some people are too positive. As I have explained in Joshua's thread, less expectation less pain. The political wind within ISU is complicated, we might never know, what if it's true that ISU want to apply taking turn rule in the next Olympic? There's high possibility IMO.

And to be honest with the way JSF pushing new stars, I can see they're desperately trying to find more sercured stars since Yuzuru has been injured so often, and he's stubborn as hell.

Not to mention his health condition, can he stay healthy when it counts in the next Olympic? With the way JSF push him from ice shows to ice shows all the summer? What if he refused all those ice shows? Or even just participate in like half of the 50 ice shows per summer?

I have heard how JSf pushing Dai through ice shows and competitions despite his knees condition, that even his coach, Morozov found it impossible to bear and he had complain to JSF because they kept sabotage Dai's training schedule, but to no avail. That was the same as what Orser complained this summer about Yuzuru's schedule.

I think we all know sport career is no fairy tale. What Yuzuru has been though, ever since that year 2011, are all harships, up and down, so many disappointments and pressure, but what some anti people will just see is that his career is so smooth, so easy and the judges love him etc... He worked so hard to be here today. He competed non-stop in all the years he has joined seniors despite too many injuries.

So for now I don't hope for too many medals or even the next OGM, I only hope that he can be healthy and joyful.

 

[alia jackson]

Back then he already said he would like to rest in the off season due to a lot of shows and competitions. All I want is for him to rest and recover.

I think we should take it day by day, we really don't know what the future is going to offer to Yuzu and the others.

 

[jace93]

Most of the fans and the skating community (skaters, coaches, judges and commentators) appreciate Yuzuru’s skills. Only a small number of fans don’t appreciate his skills. (I don’t understand why they wouldn’t. Yuzu’s skills are so obvious.) I will just ignore this kind of fans.

I personally think Yuzuru is better in every aspect (jumps, spins, skating skill) of skating than Denis Ten Denis is good too, but I think Yuzu is better.

I am wondering if the men performed better at 4CC because it’s a low pressure competition that has less prestige. The men performed worse at Europeans because it’s a more prestigious competition, so the skaters felt more pressure.

honestly it just happens... there are some competitions that seem jinxed (ie for the men world 2013, skate Canada 2013, sochi 2014, euro 2015) where no one seems to be able to skate well and then there are others (like gpf 2012-2013, euro 2013, gpf 2013-2014, worlds 2014, 4cc 2015) that seems to be blessed or something and there are lots and lots of great skates and nearly everyone skate beautifully... obviously these competitions aren't jinxed or blessed or whatever, but probably the quality of the ice, the crowd the atmosphere of the event, the previous skaters performance tend to have an impact on a skater psyche and the men being so inconsistent because of their incredibly technically demanding programs tend to be more affected =)

 

[shiroKJ]

I agree that it's extremely hard for yuzuru to win in 2018. However, I feel it's not right to develop a conspiracy theory now. I don't agree that Denis Ten benefited from home inflation today. Just look at sp, Ten and Shoma both got +2 goe for their 3a. Do you think it can be justified? I would say, Ten actually got less inflation than Shoma at this event. Plus, seeing the scores of others, if Ten doesn't get 280+ I think he is comparatively underscored. 4CC scores are generally inflated so there is no need to panic now.

My personal reasoning has nothing to do with D10. I think he's a great skater but its hard to predict him due to extreme inconsistency lol. Its way to early for conspiracy/inflation theories for the Olympics

And everyone has skaters they don't like/don't enjoy watching, I don't think its a problem unless they're always making unnecessary hateful comments. It's not always because they hate the skater themselves, sometimes they just have different preferences like type of artistry, types of skill, etc. Not all criticism is bad, and some are even welcome IMO :yes:

 

[shiroKJ]

Finally someone has the same realistic view as me. :thumbsup:

 

[jace93]

And to be honest with the way JSF pushing new stars, I can see they're desperately trying to find more sercured stars since Yuzuru has been injured so often, and he's stubborn as hell. Not to mention his health condition, can he stay healthy when it counts in the next Olympic? With the way JSF pushing him from ice shows to ice shows all the summer?

I think it's a little to far fetched say that they are already searching for Yuzuru substitute... JSF didn't dump Dai when Yuzu emerged, nor they dumped Mao during 2010-2011 when she couldn't even medal on the GP circuit while both Miki and Akiko were getting grat results. It's simply that they do not need to push him anymore... he is already the biggest star that's competing right now and he has a pull on the japanese fans second only to Mao, but at the same time if they have more stars they can have more sold out competition, shows and whatever, and possibly avoid finding themselves in a situation like they have now, where there is a single superstar that's more or less selling tickets alone for championships and such (as seen this year at japan open (9where they had an hard time selling the tickets and needed discounts and special offers) and nationals where the ladies competition took more than the usual 5 seconds to be sold out...)

So for now I don't hope for too many medals or even the next OGM, I only hope that he can be healthy and joyful.

This we should all repeat as a mantra everyday =)