Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[Yuaz]

For some reason, I think I deleted my post when I'm meant to edit it. Haha

So reposting this to include the first category:

I think the influx of Yuzu fans can be categorized as follows:

-The pre r&J1 fans era (as per Marin, The VETERAN Category)
-The post R&J1 fans era (The Young Romeo era )
-The post Sochi fans era I belong here (The boobskirt era )
-The post YOI fans era (The YOLO quad and axel era)

And our family is getting bigger and bigger

-The post YOI fans era (The YOLO quad and axel era) ◀ I belong here but I'm not here because of YOI, I never watch YOI The fate leads me here.. Lol ..random video recommended in youtube brings me here.. I don't regret to watch that random video now I have Yuzu as my new happy vitamin.

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Well, people expect more from him, and it is (partially) because his early events were in Canada. He received 86 PCS and 88 PCS at ACI and SC, respectively. And the FS at AC + SP at SC were not good and kind of a disaster, I have to admit (other than that his other events are fine). That somehow worked as a baseline for his PCS afterwards, where he got 92 in a more neutral place. Javi actually skated really well at his early events like JO, CoR and TDF and it left the impression to the judges that he is in a good shape even from the beginning of the season; Shoma too. Yuzu only started putting out good skates by NHK; and by that time, Boston-AC-SC back-to-back left an impression that he was not in top shape (like hello ofc he was not, he broke his ligament :hopelessness

I am still 50-50 on his next layout. It seems like he is still doubting whether it is better to YOLO all the quads or go for the safer route (the interview Marin translated clearly said so). He would train the 4Lz at the off-season that is for sure, but I am still 50-50 now about his 4Lz in his layout. :think:

About Javi, like... I understand his frustration. But it is a bit funny coming from him because the judges were more than ready to give him the title and all the points at Helsinki. It was because he did not land his things, not because others out-quad him and received higher PCS. I am sure under the circumstances where he's clean and Nathan landed 6 quads, the judges would still give it to him in the end. And had he not improve his SS I don't think he would have received >90 PCS (I meant many even still argue that his current PCS now is still too high compared to someone like Chan, for example).

Lol, I don't even count AC True, his skates there were pretty disastrous, but I just kinda feel like by now, people should know that that is how he starts the season. And Javi didn't get a hit in PCS or anything after his GPF LP (which was also a disaster, but at an important competition). The buttom line is, I don't think adding a 4lz next season and having consistency trouble due to that would be a bad strategy because of potential PCS loss. He can't control the PCS he gets anyway unless he'd be really consistent - and I don't expect several nearly clean competitions in one season from him, not with 'only' his current layout either. That's just not really how he seems to function... some people have a relatively good form throughout the whole season, but maybe don't peak as high. Yuzu peaks very, very high if eh does (and pretty fast), but he can't maintain it for as long. So IMO, upping the difficulty is actually the better fit for him than trying the "I'll stick to my guns and deliver all the time" route. (At least in the LP. I'm sure he doesn't need to be in peak form to get out clean SPs, so maybe that would be a different story).

I think Javi means that rather in general, and not necessarily because he didn't win. And yes, it's a bit weird since his PCS aren't exactly the most approved between a lot of fans either, but IMO, he still kind of has a point. The fact that he messed up his LP as nothing to do with what he says here (and the fact f he won or not doesn't either). Anyway, I really just wonder if there's talking about it between Javi and Yuzu. They are very different, and right now, one could say Yuzu's 'upping the tech' approach won over Javis 'plaing it safe'.

 

[sallycinnamon]

It is, even the british uncles - no2 boyfans commentators (no1 are the italian uncles IMO) were talking about him after SP like he was already in the past. I didn't liked it at all. Like he's not allowed to make mistakes! Weird, indeed!

Yes, Simon and Chris seemed a bit less enthusiastic this season than previously. I also mean their FS commentary even when they praised Yuzu and said that it was possibly the greatest skate ever. Maybe they are getting old or something, idk

 

[mcq]

I think it might actually be easier to train the 4Lz, which he already is, than training a -3Lo combo...

For this one I agree, more points too. And it seems less strenuous for the hip overall. It is less changes in his layout too, it is practically the same layout just that his 2 opening jumps are 4Lz and 4Lo now (I don't think doing 3A3T instead of 3A2T would be any much different for him)

Lol, I don't even count AC True, his skates there were pretty disastrous, but I just kinda feel like by now, people should know that that is how he starts the season. And Javi didn't get a hit in PCS or anything after his GPF LP (which was also a disaster, but at an important competition). The buttom line is, I don't think adding a 4lz next season and having consistency trouble due to that would be a bad strategy because of potential PCS loss. He can't control the PCS he gets anyway unless he'd be really consistent - and I don't expect several nearly clean competitions in one season from him, not with 'only' his current layout either. That's just not really how he seems to function... some people have a relatively good form throughout the whole season, but maybe don't peak as high. Yuzu peaks very, very high if eh does (and pretty fast), but he can't maintain it for as long. So IMO, upping the difficulty is actually the better fit for him than trying the "I'll stick to my guns and deliver all the time" route. (At least in the LP. I'm sure he doesn't need to be in peak form to get out clean SPs, so maybe that would be a different story).

I think Javi means that rather in general, and not necessarily because he didn't win. And yes, it's a bit weird since his PCS aren't exactly the most approved between a lot of fans either, but IMO, he still kind of has a point. The fact that he messed up his LP as nothing to do with what he says here (and the fact f he won or not doesn't either). Anyway, I really just wonder if there's talking about it between Javi and Yuzu. They are very different, and right now, one could say Yuzu's 'upping the tech' approach won over Javis 'plaing it safe'.

Oh boy he has had disastrous first GP every single season and people still act surprised every.single. time. (goldfish memory lol). I also did not expect him to have clean skates all season, but I think he has been doing REALLY WELL in increasing his average performance. Really, NHK +GPF + 4CC + worlds are all good to outstanding skates. I also think he + his team has finally achieved success in terms of delaying his peaking.

For me personally, I actually think he should do the 4Lz. 1) It is really beneficial for his BV 2) he has more time to train it compared to the time he trained 4Lo this season 3) it will help him peak later, I think 4) worst case scenario he could always take it out after/before Nats and adjust (though this is something he'd unlikely do).
But I am just guessing from his perspective, the benefit and risk of adding them, he seems to really contemplate about what to do.

Yeah, I did not say that I disagree with him, but in a sense I think he is the one who imo benefit the most from working on SS (his PCS rise really well compared to before). Beside, Boyang is squeaky clean with 6-quad and he is still not close to the score that Javi has gotten the year before with a fall on the SP with just 5 quad. Also, you can work both on your skating + your tech. Yuzuru did. He already received 98.5 pts on PCS the year before; he can't expect more from it realistically no matter how he improve his skating; PCS has a ceiling, but TES does not.

 

[NordEsque]

I think it might actually be easier to train the 4Lz, which he already is, than training a -3Lo combo...

Yes, but I remember Max saying that Yuzuru's best jump is the Loop... As someone (probably mcq thank you (also for the BV calculation) ) has told me before though it is pretty different in combination. His good technique though kinda gives me some hope that it might be possible...

To suggest something crazy(?): 4Lz 4Lo /// 4T3T 4SLo3S 4S 3ALo3Lo(humanly possible?) 3A

 

[xeyra]

Yes, but I remember Max saying that Yuzuru's best jump is the Loop... As someone (probably mcq thank you (also for the BV calculation) ) has told me before though it is pretty different in combination. His good technique though kinda gives me some hope that it might be possible...

To suggest something crazy(?): 4Lz 4Lo /// 4T3T 4SLo3S 4S 3ALo3Lo(humanly possible?) 3A

You mean 4Lz 4Lo 3F // 4T3T 4SLo3S 4S 3A3Lo 3A? can't forget that 3F, come on!

 

[Li'Kitsu]

I think so.. This season he had a good result. Now he also had a good 4Lo and more consistent as we seen at World's, it's perfect!

4Lo3T? How about 4S3T (will he remove it for next season? As we know the rate of success he land it at the competition was low)? Is it risky to use 4Lo3T? Which one is hard?

Technique-wise a 4Lo3T is way harder than a 4S3T because of the jump mechanics... the loop is generally not a good jump to put into combination since it usually doesn't lend itself to having good speed coming out, and it's also easier to do combinations with more similar jumps (for example a combination with 2 toe jumps rather than one toe and one edge jump. However, there are other factors too of course Before someone suggests 4Lo3Lo, no! that would be really, really ridiculous!
We have seen Yuzu practice 4Lo3T before, so I doubt he hasn't been thinking about it at all. Also, given that this is Yuzu, he might simply do better with the more difficult thing like when he just upped Chopin to 2 quads and - bingo, clean!

This is a really interesting layout, huge BV :shocked:

Risk/reward assessment: 4Lz - seems to be a jump where it is more normal to fall rather than pop, I think? (though Yuzuru has singled his 3Lz :gaah? Also difficult due to the jump's technique to get good GOE perhaps? 3Lz3Lo - would probably be difficult to get good GOE for. Also if he pops any of the two jumps that is a huge point loss (and if trying to improvise there's a great risk of Zayak). Is it weird that I find him having 3A as his last jump kinda calming?. I really wish there was some footage of Yuzuru doing two-jump combos with -3Lo. GPF16 practice does suggest that he has been thinking of it as an alternative...

What is the absolute highest BV possible with his three quads right now if doing a four quad program? Perhaps with a -3Lo combo. I will go and try to work it out. Don't think he can move 4Lo to the second half, nor do I think he will do 4Lo3T if I'm honest. He stated that he still needs to work on the jump. He does seem to quite seriously consider the 4Lz though... I mean 60% is not bad Also how stressed will we be if he falls on his 4S-combos at WTT?

Having a similar BV is good in my opinion since the risk of not going clean is high amongst all the top skaters due to their tech difficulty, but at the same time Yuzuru, even though he probably deserved higher GOEs at World, still gets quite a lot of GOE-points, and (I think) relative to the rest of the field? Maybe we should calculate the average amount of GOE-points the different skaters get...

I'd rather say the 4Lz would lend itself well to getting really high GOE. His lutz is huge, the 4Lz we saw in a video is huge, and if he lands it I'm sure the runnign edge coming out would be amazing... it's just the question what transition he could use. Spread eagle? Twizzle?

And yes, it would be really calming if his last jump was a 3A. By normal jump difficulty standards, that makes no sense, but since Yuzu is Yuzu...

 

[xeyra]

And yes, it would be really calming if his last jump was a 3A. By normal jump difficulty standards, that makes no sense, but since Yuzu is Yuzu...

As long as it's not at a gala. In that case the 3A gives me stress.

 

[NordEsque]

You mean 4Lz 4Lo 3F // 4T3T 4SLo3S 4S 3A3Lo 3A? can't forget that 3F, come on!

Haha Yes, let's say I did (and not that I completely forgot momentarily the number of combination rule ). And I've really liked the 3F this year But yes, your update looks much better

EDIT: Think the BV would be 114.74 (if 3F in second half)?

 

[Li'Kitsu]

As long as it's not at a gala. In that case the 3A gives me stress.

I actually love his... ehm, smooth 3A saves this season.
When we went to our seats before the gala, I said "I bet he's gonna mess up the 3A today", and my friends look at me like "what, why?". I said I'm not sure, it's just one of these times when it's gonna happen... I should have put money on that

I don't know, I guess I'm a bit weird when it comes to Yuzu and 3A mistakes. It was also during the LP warm-up, when he fell on his 3A, that I felt like "okay, this will be a great skate". There is just something so ridiculous about Yuzu falling on a 3A, I kind of expect him to blow the roof of afterwards

 

[Floria]

I really don't think that was it. The men are pretty much all inconsistent, and truth be told, I actually think Yuzu had a really good season. It's not as if we had clean skates by the men all the time. He never had any real disasters, closest being the GPF LP but he still won that event... Javi was way more inconsistent, but his scores didn't go down at all. Maybe the judges really 'didn't like' H&L, but honestly, that's a really dumb argument too :think:

Anyway, I was sure he'd add 4Lz next season at the beginning of this, and I still think so. But I thought he might stick with 4 quads in the LP, and now I doubt it. Right now, I'd bet on 4lz and 5 quads and I wouldn't even be surprised if he repeats the 4Lo and goes for 4Lo3T in the 2nd half

Given Javis latest interview (where he directly said he wonders if his time focusing on skating skills was wasted because 'now another skater with quads but no skills gets the PCS'), I wonder if they sometimes talk about stuff like that. I have this mental image of Javi dragging Yuzu to a bar after an event to toast with PChiddy to the good old time when 90+ PCS was rare and special

GPF FS wasn't that bad imo, I wouldn't call it a disaster with 3 quads landed including 4lo. SP at SC and FS at AC were much worse and did most of the PCS harm.

I think so.. This season he had a good result. Now he also had a good 4Lo and more consistent as we seen at World's, it's perfect!

The result is excellent! The most important of all is that he is reigning World champion now!

 

[AmudoBun]

-The post YOI fans era (The YOLO quad and axel era)

And our family is getting bigger and bigger

This is also me - though I am not here thanks to YOI as well. I got I would say re-introduced to skating thanks to Misha Ge, when I saw his video on youtube skating to EXO song. (That was actually quite some time back.) And now during my no school/just exams time in school I was procrastinating and followed trail in recommendated videos on youtube which braught me to Yuzu and others as well. For some time now I have been kinda silently stalking some threads on this forum and yesterday finally decided to register xD.

PS: My first post - YAY~

 

[Yuaz]

Imo, yuzu need 4Lz. Yes it was risky. We don't know if adding the 4Lz to his layout will make a bad result or not before he try it. But clearly with 4Lz, it will scare his rivals or at least makes them worried. Especially, if yuzu can do it well. However, if it's become difficult, he can change it or remove it. but yuzu is yuzu. There is no turning back

 

[YuzusHydroblade]

For some reason, I think I deleted my post when I'm meant to edit it. Haha

So reposting this to include the first category:

I think the influx of Yuzu fans can be categorized as follows:

-The pre r&J1 fans era (as per Marin, The VETERAN Category)
-The post R&J1 fans era (The Young Romeo era )
-The post Sochi fans era I belong here (The boobskirt era )
-The post YOI fans era (The YOLO quad and axel era)

And our family is getting bigger and bigger

Hello, i should have been here earlier (February 14, 2014 to be precise) but i fought against it I'm still post Sochi tho...
Also, i had this very anxiety inducing dream (because of the speculation lol) where someone had caught Jeffrey Buttle on video rehearsing Yuzu's new SP we had like 40 pages in one day and everyone on twitter was over analyzing the little 40second clip the person had uploaded

 

[nekun]

For some reason, I think I deleted my post when I'm meant to edit it. Haha

So reposting this to include the first category:

I think the influx of Yuzu fans can be categorized as follows:

-The pre r&J1 fans era (as per Marin, The VETERAN Category)
-The post R&J1 fans era (The Young Romeo era )
-The post Sochi fans era I belong here (The boobskirt era )
-The post YOI fans era (The YOLO quad and axel era)

And our family is getting bigger and bigger

maybe I'm come from the worse fandom, originaly I'm onehallyu user, a kpop forum, last December the site went down for a week and I was so bored so after a long time I checked Twitter, suddenly everyone and their mother talked about YOI, so yeahh..I checked it too on YT but becouse I'm not an anime fans, I was kinda 'meh' with the anime.

than, Yuzu PW Olympic showed up in my YT recomendation, (too much checking YOI content maybe ) so here I'm right now in Yuzuru fan fest, and now I barely visit Onehallyu...

 

[itiahs]

Somehow it's really calming to see now the discussion of potential layouts and BVs, numbers calm me I'm just curious to see what other features he's going to add to the 3F to try to get full GOE. Maybe land it right in front of the judges and stare into their eyes...

 

[xeyra]

Somehow it's really calming to see now the discussion of potential layouts and BVs, numbers calm me I'm just curious to see what other features he's going to add to the 3F to try to get full GOE. Maybe land it right in front of the judges and stare into their eyes...

He needs to 'tano it. Only solution. Works for Zhenya!

 

[NordEsque]

So 4Lz 4Lo // 3F 4T3T 4SLo3S 4S 3A3Lo 3A would result in BV 114.74. Is it possible with 3A3Lo, is that the "safest" combo choice if 3Lo would be included? I mean the BV would be huge... and if he fudges up the combo he could try again to the last 3A....

 

[Li'Kitsu]

Somehow it's really calming to see now the discussion of potential layouts and BVs, numbers calm me I'm just curious to see what other features he's going to add to the 3F to try to get full GOE. Maybe land it right in front of the judges and stare into their eyes...

Lol, steal Evgenias arm variations of course

Before someone has a heart attack, it's a joke. If he does it with both arms over the head it could be really though...

 

[sydney]

suddenly everyone and their mother talked about YOI, so yeahh.

that's one is good

well for me I'm from Sochi era the Yuzuru v Patrick drama was quite "interesting" to watch lol