Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[liv]

I am sure that yuzu will get the marks he deserves when he performs better. Frankly, his SC product was not up to his usual standard, from steps to spins, and we all know why this is. He knows he has work, Brian knows he has work, and I am sure he has been doing what he can in the last few weeks. He is now, more than other years, a work in progress so nhk should be better, just as SC was better than ACI.

And about javi... I noticed that this year he has some great transitions into his jumps and elements and, overall, things are well done. Yes, the package is similar to other years, but there is so much more in his long program now, at least that I could tell. Yes, his marks are higher, but his skating is better now too.

I remember reading that Abe encouraged him to go too. Do not remember the source.

 

[mcq]

Please , can you share your source ?

As far as I know Nanami didn’t give any interview after Yuzu moved. This is her last message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEv-bJ96nis
she told Yuzu something like just look towards your own goal, and let’s walk on, one step by one step ( I remember the translation by memory , because she’s my silent hero).

It is from Yuzuru Method, page 103. Yuzusorbet/Angelica Yuzu has shared it before.

http://yuzusorbet.tumblr.com/post/148632005622/bits-from-chapter-2-of-aoi-hono-ii-yuzus-2nd

My own note- I read this in another book ‘Yuzuru Method’ Page103: After his amazing free skate performance at Worlds 2012 in Nice, while he was in the skaters’ waiting room, his coach Nanami Abe told him that for next season, he should look for an overseas coach. Having just finished his performance, it was not the right time to be thinking about next season, but her words were imprinted in his mind.

 

[Lysambre]

A smiling Yuzu always makes the world a better place :luv17:

 

[giulia95]

It is from Yuzuru Method, page 103. Yuzusorbet/Angelica Yuzu has shared it before.

http://yuzusorbet.tumblr.com/post/148632005622/bits-from-chapter-2-of-aoi-hono-ii-yuzus-2nd

Thanks for the reply , this is from a book and not from Nanami herself while her last message, where she said ".... let’s walk on, one step by one step "was recorded after 2012 Nice.

 

[treeloving]

I respect Miss Abe, but whoever thinks that it would be good for Yuzuru to come back to Miss Abe, they're delusional and have no idea about coaching at all. Sorry but I have to say this, Yuzuru outgrew Miss Abe years ago.
People need to remember that at Sendai Yuzuru only had Miss Abe and no one else to coach him properly. And people need to remember that Sendai is not the skating capital of all Japan. If Yuzuru needed top facilities inside Japan to practice, it's not Sendai, it's either at Nagoya or Osaka. And Yuzuru didn't belong to either of these groups in the first place.
You think Mao could go that far without Nagoya team behind her? Do you know they have 2 ice rinks there for their top skaters and it wasn't even enough because Nagoya is too packed with so many skaters now?
I laugh so hard at people who naively think that Yuzuru can just go back to Miss Abe and do better than this. You guys have no idea how Yuzuru has been practicing at CC, how much effort they have put in him. Yuzuru has become the Yuzuru today with the help of many coaches, specialists and choreographers in Toronto. He acknowledges their help, he knows how much he has gotten from them. As his fans, you should be more grateful for what they have done to help him.
Come back to Miss Abe? such a joke.

For me, I do not think he should go back now or that if he go back it will yeild better result. But in the case that he achives all that could be achived ( double ogm for example). If he decide to continue skating in order to wait for next generation to be ready. Then I think learning coaching experience from Nanami while helping to cultivate Sendai skating program and be inspiration for local skater in the place that he grow up would be one available option.

 

[Yatagarasu]

Because, unlike ISU thinks of skating fans, many skating fans can clearly distinguish between greatness and candies...

Yes, we can, without a doubt. But how exactly did that work out for Yuna? Because candies on paper have the same weight, and sometimes they weigh more.

And where are those 2 events again? Canada isn't it?

Yes, yes it was but considering CoC, and the spilling over of inflated GOEs I don't see it the same way I did when it finished. I'm going to continue holding the opinion that he has to have higher difficulty elements with higher degree of execution which carry with themselves higher risks compared to easier, lower quality elements (or in some cases, the total disregard of the rules as with the steps to solo jump in the SP) that end up with very, very similar GOEs (or higher) and that yes, he has to be fully clean to benefit as much as he can, unlike some others. This of course ends up with him pushing himself higher and higher. There's a price for that.

I was told on Friday that I am nitpicking during the SP and what is even 0.40 points? Why bother with that much. Well I bother because I remember the 0.33. And I'll remember Boyang losing to 1.18. Those 0.40 here and 0.70 there and a 0.50 elsewhere add up. Candies, points ... on paper, it's all numbers except to get them they are not being held to the same standards.

 

[SuzyQ]

Today's news clip about NHK Trophy.
Thank you for the uploader.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x52rbm7_161120-絶対王者-y-h-4回転新時代に挑む_sport

 

[mcq]

Yes, yes it was but considering CoC, and the spilling over of inflated GOEs I don't see it the same way I did when it finished. I'm going to continue holding the opinion that he has to have higher difficulty elements with higher degree of execution.

This one I agree. At the end of the day the judges will give the win to the skater who is best at TES and PCS. And for that, that is why I think the judges will reward Yuzuru.

With different panel, sometimes you get underscored sometimes overscored. Yuzuru has his share of being generously scored too. He was not clean at FS in GPF, both 2013 and 2014 (in 2014 he made mistake at SP too) but he received generous PCS and GOE and I remember many skating fans are annoyed and angered at that. His winning worlds 2014 was also debated by some, some even complained about his score at 2015 WC and that he should be placed lower. Now, other people are getting a taste of being generously scored (Javier, Shoma and maybe soon Nathan) but, it will not last forever and you still need to deliver.

Personally, I am not so worried that he will be low-balled at other events. Yuzuru still got the best quality of elements (jumps and spins) and I believe judges won't hold points against him IF he deliver. I don't want to be so negative about it, when he has yet to perform his best and be scored accordingly. I don't think being negative will do him any favor, he has not even skate his best yet! So I will just cheer for him to do his best for now

Thanks for the reply , this is from a book and not from Nanami herself while her last message, where she said ".... let’s walk on, one step by one step "was recorded after 2012 Nice.

Well, this book is Yuzuru's biography so it was technically Yuzuru's own words. It might not be caught and recorded on camera but according to Yuzuru himself this is what she said to him. Besides, I don't know how that message from her contradict anything about her wish for him to switch coach.

 

[daisy616]

Has nobody here read a recent interview of Yoshida-san, a husband of Nanami Abe?
I read it and I hope somebody good at English will translate it though I forgot the name of a magazine.
(I bought so many magazines that I can't find it right now!)

Yoshida-san says he and his wife didn't know about Yuzu's going to Cricket.
He also says his wife often can't see Yuzu's competition live, but she always watches the recording eagerly, and then they talk about his program together drinking sake.
Once, Yuzu asked Nanami-sensei to watch his training (I think it's while he was back in Sendai),
but Nanami told him she couldn't unless Yuzu had a permission from Orser.
At the end of the interview, Yoshida-san says "Both Nanami and I care for Yuzuru as if he were our child. We love him."
Well, it's rare for us Japanese to use the word "love"(愛しています).
I was really touched by his words. I don't know why but I felt happy but also sad after reading his interview.

 

[lappo]

Yes, we can, without a doubt. But how exactly did that work out for Yuna? Because candies on paper have the same weight, and sometimes they weigh more.

You are certainly right and of course for an athlete the gold is the goal, always. But in my opinion there is also something that is really important, not in the short period maybe but when one sum up the whole career. This is why I hear many skater say that Yuna (or Mao or Yuzuru) are their role models and their inspirations and, since I'm aware, I heard no one say that Sotnikova is their myth.
Well, I cannot explain this better but I leave this year, hear what Sandra Bezic says at 00.30: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wazOhkRuySI (also, this performance...). I think it applies to Yuna and Yuzuru, who both have the OGM already.

 

[Marin]

Has nobody here read a recent interview of Yoshida-san, a husband of Nanami Abe?
I read it and I hope somebody good at English will translate it though I forgot the name of a magazine.
(I bought so many magazines that I can't find it right now!)

Yoshida-san says he and his wife didn't know about Yuzu's going to Cricket.
He also says his wife often can't see Yuzu's competition live, but she always watches the recording eagerly, and then they talk about his program together drinking sake.
Once, Yuzu asked Nanami-sensei to watch his training (I think it's while he was back in Sendai),
but Nanami told him she couldn't unless Yuzu had a permission from Orser.
At the end of the interview, Yoshida-san says "Both Nanami and I care for Yuzuru as if he were our children. We love him."
Well, it's rare for us Japanese to use the word "love"(愛しています).
I was really touched by his word. I don't know why but I felt happy but also sad after reading his interview.

He also said that when Yuzu left for Canada once he got message from Yuzu asking to sharpen his blades again, he felt warmth in his heart and also got confused he didn't know if he should agree or not, then went to ask Nanami san and Nanami told him that he should definitely do it, to make him feel more comfortable, give some kind of family support sense of security, after that he always does it for him. I was very touched as well.

 

[mikaboo]

Has nobody here read a recent interview of Yoshida-san, a husband of Nanami Abe?
I read it and I hope somebody good at English will translate it though I forgot the name of a magazine.
(I bought so many magazines that I can't find it right now!)

Yoshida-san says he and his wife didn't know about Yuzu's going to Cricket.
He also says his wife often can't see Yuzu's competition live, but she always watches the recording eagerly, and then they talk about his program together drinking sake.
Once, Yuzu asked Nanami-sensei to watch his training (I think it's while he was back in Sendai),
but Nanami told him she couldn't unless Yuzu had a permission from Orser.
At the end of the interview, Yoshida-san says "Both Nanami and I care for Yuzuru as if he were our children. We love him."
Well, it's rare for us Japanese to use the word "love"(愛しています).
I was really touched by his word. I don't know why but I felt happy but also sad after reading his interview.

I read it, but I didn't buy it so I didn't want to bring it up It's from this magazine.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/フィギュアスケートマガジン2016-2017プレシーズン-B・B-MOOK-1333/dp/4583624697
It was a really good interview and made me happy and sad too. OT, but I was surprised to find out that they have 3 children (I knew they had 2) and the eldest boy is the same age as Yuzuru.

 

[PatricksGaze]

He also said that when Yuzu left for Canada once he got message from Yuzu asking to sharpen his blades again, he felt warmth in his heart and also got confused he didn't know if he should agree or not, then went to ask Nanami san and Nanami told him that he should definitely do it, to make him feel more comfortable, give some kind of family support sense of security, after that he always does it for him. I was very touched as well.

Thank you daisy616 and Marin for sharing this precious info. I've searching for this interview for a while, looking forward to any translations if there're coming.

 

[mcq]

Has nobody here read a recent interview of Yoshida-san, a husband of Nanami Abe?
I read it and I hope somebody good at English will translate it though I forgot the name of a magazine.
(I bought so many magazines that I can't find it right now!)

Yoshida-san says he and his wife didn't know about Yuzu's going to Cricket.
He also says his wife often can't see Yuzu's competition live, but she always watches the recording eagerly, and then they talk about his program together drinking sake.
Once, Yuzu asked Nanami-sensei to watch his training (I think it's while he was back in Sendai),
but Nanami told him she couldn't unless Yuzu had a permission from Orser.
At the end of the interview, Yoshida-san says "Both Nanami and I care for Yuzuru as if he were our children. We love him."
Well, it's rare for us Japanese to use the word "love"(愛しています).
I was really touched by his word. I don't know why but I felt happy but also sad after reading his interview.

They are very nice to Yuzuru and I really like how they care about him. Their comments on him is also very warm :luv17:

Also, I really respect Nanami-sensei for telling Yuzuru to ask Brian for permission first when Yuzuru ask her to supervise his training. There is a lot of mess and drama going on because skaters asking other coach to train/advise them without a clear permission and communication from their current coach. Recently there is a mess with Marina Zueva+Rafael+Nathan. I also remembered back then with Patrick Chan+Christy Krall+Kathy Johnson (and maybe again now with Marina Zueva?). This matter is actually a sensitive thing so I am glad that somehow Yuzuru's split with Nanami-sensei is pretty amicable.

 

[liv]

It shows the wonderful people who have supported him and continue to support him. Abe gave him what she could until he outgrew her skills and then he had to go elsewhere to continue to get better. That kind of thing is always bittersweet, but it must be done. They know he is grateful to them and trusts them and they know he needs all the familiar support that he can get now that he is in the pressure cooker world of being hugely successful in a hugely popular sport. The bit about refusing to observe his practice unless Yuzu got Brian's approval shows she has professional integrity, unlike many others in this sport.

I am sure they knew he was going elsewhere, since he said she told him to look elsewhere, maybe just not that it was Toronto.

 

[giulia95]

Has nobody here read a recent interview of Yoshida-san, a husband of Nanami Abe?
I read it and I hope somebody good at English will translate it though I forgot the name of a magazine.
(I bought so many magazines that I can't find it right now!)

Yoshida-san says he and his wife didn't know about Yuzu's going to Cricket.
He also says his wife often can't see Yuzu's competition live, but she always watches the recording eagerly, and then they talk about his program together drinking sake.
Once, Yuzu asked Nanami-sensei to watch his training (I think it's while he was back in Sendai),
but Nanami told him she couldn't unless Yuzu had a permission from Orser.
At the end of the interview, Yoshida-san says "Both Nanami and I care for Yuzuru as if he were our children. We love him."
Well, it's rare for us Japanese to use the word "love"(愛しています).
I was really touched by his word. I don't know why but I felt happy but also sad after reading his interview.

many thanks for your translation...
it's so heartbreaking to see the truth coming out after 4 years.
please, share your source, so that this myth will come to an end definitely.

Nanami, my silent hero, the unknown coach who was able to recognize a genious kid and to teach him text book jump technique....:luv17:

 

[giulia95]

The story is JSF moved Yuzu to Canada via JOC money and they didn’t inform his coach about the changing.
Based on the interview there was just one thing Yuzu could do and did , he asked Nanami to train him in Sendai but it seems Borser didn’t allow her , did he?

Glad Yoshida san finally talked, Nanami’s silence is heartbreaking.

 

[SuzyQ]

We also know that Brian was surprised when he heard that Yuzuru wanted to ask for his coaching, and asked Javi about what he thought about that. Javi replied he would very welcome Yuzuru, so Brian decided to accept Yuzuru. I'm happy to know the people surrounding Yuzuru are very caring to others :yes:

 

[Meoima]

many thanks for your translation...
it's so heartbreaking to see the truth coming out after 4 years.
please, share your source, so that this myth will come to an end definitely.

Nanami, my silent hero, the unknown coach who was able to recognize a genious kid and to teach him text book jump technique....:luv17:

Truth what? Yuzuru himself said it's Miss Abe who advised him to move to a coach overseas. He had options to tell her which coach he would go or not. If he didn't tell her it's his matter. And it's Yuzuru himself who decided to go. If he didn't go he would have no coaching team who contributed to his current success.
I am fed up with your bashing CC team and always call Yuzuru to come back to Sendai. This is the truth, Sendai has no team to support Yuzuru from gym, steps, levels, choreography, skating skills... no team at all. Coming back there means death end for his career if he wants to continue the highest level of training. Unless he hires all the top specialists to come to Japan for a period of time (like Yuna did), his training would be "no progress".
For the record, this year at Sendai they have to cut lightning display for Christmas to save money, how could they provide Yuzuru with top training resources and facilities? There are only 2 places in Japan could provide him with that: Nagoya and Osaka. And they have too many skaters to care for already.
Stop pushing for the delusional solutions.

 

[Meoima]

The story is JSF moved Yuzu to Canada via JOC money and they didn’t inform his coach about the changing.

Certainly they knew Yuzuru moved to new coach. Even if they didn't need to know who the new coach would be. That is not a big issue.

Based on the interview there was just one thing Yuzu could do and did , he asked Nanami to train him in Sendai but it seems Borser didn’t allow her , did he?

Patrick has had 3 of his coaches FIRED him because he worked with other coaches without their permission. Miss Abe was correct to refuse to look at Yuzuru's training video. She doesn't know Yuzuru's current training methods, she doesn't know his new skills. In short, she doesn't know the way the current Yuzuru is training, it's wise to not give advice.