Yuzuru Hanyu: 2016-17 Season

[liha]

ever since the 4cc fs... sometimes when I mentally go through his program layouts... I imagine him spontaneously changing that last 3Lz... to a 4Lz...

 

[mcq]

Apparently Shoma is adding a 4S, probably to Worlds - I mean good on him to be able to do that but given that he has yet to go clean in both his short program and free skate... Well it does seem like a bit of a weird priority? I mean good to get milage I guess?

What if actually Yuzuru just goes "fu*k it" and decides to learn the 4A right now out of competitiveness...?

I doubt it will affect him so much. I think he is the type who goes after his own pace and ideals. If he changes his layout, I think it is mostly because he is uncomfortable with it and think he will have a better success rate with the new one (like he did in Chopin). Keep in mind that he still keep his original layout from the beginning of season in AC and not change a single thing, even though many around him upgrade/change their layout. I doubt he wants to gamble for worlds too. He didn't last season and I doubt he will this season. If there are changes, I would assume at best it has something to do with that *blasted* 4S3T.

 

[Yatagarasu]

The more things keep happening in men's division, the more I think about that very old French saying of as one makes one's bed, so one finds it or the more common English version you've made your bed, now lie in it.

If there are changes, I would assume at best it has something to do with that *blasted* 4S3T.

This is my best guess too. If there are changes, then it'd be a change to make sure he goes clean. He's not the type to be driven into panic mode, he'll do his thing. Of course it's anyone's guess what happens instead of the 4S-3T. There is the easy way and then there are other ways :roll9:

 

[IcePrincessEllyze]

Quick question:

Does Yuzuru using the new quad (4Lo) affect his salchow as both are edge jumps? I mean, did it have any effect on his quad sal since the sal has been quite consistent for past competitions prior to this season?

I am just one curious newbie in figure skating. Hope my question makes some kind of sense

Thanks in advance to whoever will answer

 

[Floria]

ever since the 4cc fs... sometimes when I mentally go through his program layouts... I imagine him spontaneously changing that last 3Lz... to a 4Lz...

I was imagining something like this before 4CC... But in reality it was 3A!

I doubt it will affect him so much. I think he is the type who goes after his own pace and ideals. If he changes his layout, I think it is mostly because he is uncomfortable with it and think he will have a better success rate with the new one (like he did in Chopin). Keep in mind that he still keep his original layout from the beginning of season in AC and not change a single thing, even though many around him upgrade/change their layout. I doubt he wants to gamble for worlds too. He didn't last season and I doubt he will this season. If there are changes, I would assume at best it has something to do with that *blasted* 4S3T.

I don't expect any changes at all for Worlds, not even anything about 4S3T. But I expect a more elaborate backup plan, not an improvised one. Not that I didn't like it, it was awesome, but it is just to feel more confident.

 

[mcq]

The more things keep happening in men's division, the more I think about that very old French saying of as one makes one's bed, so one finds it or the more common English version you've made your bed, now lie in it.

This is my best guess too. If there are changes, then it'd be a change to make sure he goes clean. He's not the type to be driven into panic mode, he'll do his thing. Of course it's anyone's guess what happens instead of the 4S-3T. There is the easy way and then there are other ways :roll9:

Yeah, agreed. Going for quads is the trend now, but who knows what will happen in the future. It was like that in SLC but quiet down a bit after Yagudin was injured and Plush is basically running away with gold almost everytime. I mean, during and after vancouver, many basically almost abandoning quads since you are somewhat made to think you don't need them to win. Now people are made to think that you have to stack your layout with them if you ever want a change to be on the podium. But let's say, if it backfires (like for example, splatfest or *knock woods* injuries), they would be up and arms again quads again. This is why I kept saying how some are so reactive over 1/2 competitions and missed the big picture.

For Yuzuru, he learned the hard way about overtraining and overexerting himself, so at this point I just wish he would take care of his health. Honestly I don't know what he will do to his layout, though I have a wishful thinking he would change it a bit just to have a fresh start and not having that *blasted jump" be his mental block.

Quick question:

Does Yuzuru using the new quad (4Lo) affect his salchow as both are edge jumps? I mean, did it have any effect on his quad sal since the sal has been quite consistent for past competitions prior to this season?

I am just one curious newbie in figure skating. Hope my question makes some kind of sense

Thanks in advance to whoever will answer

I doubt it. His 4S is still fine. He landed all his solo 4S in FS in all competition. It is just that 4S3T in LP that seems problematic. If there is anything that is not its usual quality, it is his 4T. I have yet to see him land a good one in competition this season. but hey, it is in the second half and he has not been training it a lot due to his lisfranc.

 

[Sydney Rose]

At 4CC medal ceremony he looked at the top of podium in such a way... it broke my heart

He was probably already plotting how he wasn't going to let that happen again.

Behind all that adorableness is one fierce competitor. :luv17:

 

[NordEsque]

Haha yes, sorry I didn't mean to imply that he would try to learn and include 4A for Worlds, just that perhaps straight after, due to his competitive streak, he might seriously go for it. Instead of after PC18, but yes you guys are probably right - even though he is pretty competitive he is quite good at pacing his progress and it doesn't make much sense to go after it so soon.

He seems to want that World title, which is the only reason I think he might change his layout (2S-Lo-4S?)

 

[NordEsque]

I don't expect any changes at all for Worlds, not even anything about 4S3T. But I expect a more elaborate backup plan, not an improvised one. Not that I didn't like it, it was awesome, but it is just to feel more confident.

Yes, I think that he might be practicing the 2S-Lo-4S quite seriously, problem is though if that's the case it could just result in more overthinking...

 

[Altie]

Quick question:

Does Yuzuru using the new quad (4Lo) affect his salchow as both are edge jumps? I mean, did it have any effect on his quad sal since the sal has been quite consistent for past competitions prior to this season?

I am just one curious newbie in figure skating. Hope my question makes some kind of sense

Thanks in advance to whoever will answer

I was wondering the same thing

 

[xeyra]

He seems to want that World title, which is the only reason I think he might change his layout (2S-Lo-4S?)

If he changes to a -4S combo he should train 3S-1lo-4S. Would not change his BV at all and maybe entering that jump with the expectation of a triple first would solve the mental block issue. Plus he could make history with the first -quad jump on competition!

I'm sorta kidding. Maybe...

 

[Floria]

He was probably already plotting how he wasn't going to let that happen again.

Behind all that adorableness is one fierce competitor. :luv17:

This is what gives me hope for Worlds! He wanted so badly to jump on the top of that podium!

Yes, I think that he might be practicing the 2S-Lo-4S quite seriously, problem is though if that's the case it could just result in more overthinking...

It may be more overthinking or something new with no mental block attached and it actually may work.

 

[NordEsque]

Quick question:

Does Yuzuru using the new quad (4Lo) affect his salchow as both are edge jumps? I mean, did it have any effect on his quad sal since the sal has been quite consistent for past competitions prior to this season?

I am just one curious newbie in figure skating. Hope my question makes some kind of sense

Thanks in advance to whoever will answer

I was wondering the same thing

I am no expert, but I do remember reading (sportymags I think?) that Yuzuru basically started practicing the 4Lo as a way to stabilize his 4S, which was very inconsistent in competition for quite a while. So I think the 4Lo is not a problem, also because he has been landing the solo 4S in the free skate (and the 4S-combo in the short).

 

[Lambari]

Quick question:

Does Yuzuru using the new quad (4Lo) affect his salchow as both are edge jumps? I mean, did it have any effect on his quad sal since the sal has been quite consistent for past competitions prior to this season?

I am just one curious newbie in figure skating. Hope my question makes some kind of sense

Thanks in advance to whoever will answer

I assume you wasn't there when 'planned'-4S fall was his tru trademark. jk

Don't be afraid to ask questions.

I believe that in 2015-2016, the only season where his 4S became somewhat consistent, even though he's having a quite consistent first 4S this season, and we can make a case for 2014-2015 but not much, he said that training 4Lo, even though he didn't yet put on any program, helped him to get consistent on the 4S. As i've said, before it was a major mental block. Most fans/skating enthusiasts were doubting his strategy of going to the Olympics with the 4S even though he had fallen in most of them to the point that people expected it to happen. Most of them thought that he kept it because he still got points for the rotated 4S, however the true reason was that with the 4S he was able to add his 3A combinations that ultimately made the difference, and he had hope of landing the 4S each time since he was consistent enough with it in practices but it didn't work out at the actual competitions. Basically 2 seasons to get it consistent. Comparing it with the new 4Lo at this season, he's fairing way better. His nemesis now is the 4S combination, but I don't think it's technique related since his first 4S is most of the times fine.

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[shiroKJ]

I think some people are taking his tongue and cheek comment about the 4A (and 4F) a little too seriously Just rotating the jump is a huge hurdle. Maybe he'll try it after the Olympics but it's not going to happen before that.

 

[gladiolusc]

Pretty H&L Yuzu zoomed in slow-mo. So. Pretty.

 

[sallycinnamon]

Pretty H&L Yuzu zoomed in slow-mo. So. Pretty.

I can't see it, it says the page doesn't exist

 

[gladiolusc]

I can't see it, it says the page doesn't exist

Argh. She removed that tweet, now I'm afraid to close that page out because it's still on loop in my screen :>

https://twitter.com/laylahoshii/status/836605799426240512 <-- seems to be back

 

[ralucutzagy]

He's so cuuute and his costume shines so nice ...

 

[sweetwater]

Quick question:

Does Yuzuru using the new quad (4Lo) affect his salchow as both are edge jumps? I mean, did it have any effect on his quad sal since the sal has been quite consistent for past competitions prior to this season?

I am just one curious newbie in figure skating. Hope my question makes some kind of sense

Thanks in advance to whoever will answer

I was wondering the same thing

I am no expert, but I do remember reading (sportymags I think?) that Yuzuru basically started practicing the 4Lo as a way to stabilize his 4S, which was very inconsistent in competition for quite a while. So I think the 4Lo is not a problem, also because he has been landing the solo 4S in the free skate (and the 4S-combo in the short).

Here’s an interview he gave at backstage of Stars on Ice tour in 2014. He had just landed 4Lo for the first time in one of the shows and talked about it and 4S with Nobunari Oda.(from 4:00) Actually he did not start practicing 4Lo for 4S, but it did stabilized his 4S. According to him, the key points for successfully landing 4Lo are also applicable to 4S, and probably to 4T. So, as NordEsque said, 4Lo is not the problem. In an interview after 4CC, he said that in his mind 4S and 4Lo are still something new to him. However, he also said that he has been landing the 4S-3T in practices, and what he has to do is making it his confidence and using what he learned at 4CC at Worlds.

Someone has translated the first interview.