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Because some people get punished harshly on it but some do not get punished at all? People would mind less if Zhenia and Osmond get rightful calls for their flutz. The issue is they don't get called at all makes many people find it wrong and the judging is not trusthy.

Of course, same old judging discussions.

With edge jumps, they're allowed to have pre-rotation to some degree. With toe jumps like Flip and Luzt, there should be none. How about I send you slow motion and see that Yuzuru and Boyang, and Patrick have the least and almost none pre-rotation in Toe Jumps? Heck, US men are the same. Jason Brown (with all the critic against his jumps) does not have pre-rotation in toe jumps as well.

No need. I was just reminding that pre-rotation can happen and sometimes it will, and some top skaters have the less amount of it. It isn't rare. I wasn't refuting your post. :laugh:

I'm not very knowlegeable in jump technique, so what kept him from standing that lutz? It looks like his weight was under him

I think he just lost balance at the landing, he seems too forward. I'm not very sure.
 
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I wonder if quad-quad combo does make sense for the next season's layout. There must be a reason for practicing it, not just to have fun.

Kurt Browning once said a few years ago that he was rumored to be able to do 3 Triple Axels in a row (which he can, I have video evidence, with a Quad Toe in front as well) and Quad-Quad combinations. But he did it for fun before, now I don't know, maybe he will be doing a Quad-Quad next year, who knows?
 
Kurt Browning once said a few years ago that he was rumored to be able to do 3 Triple Axels in a row (which he can, I have video evidence, with a Quad Toe in front as well) and Quad-Quad combinations. But he did it for fun before, now I don't know, maybe he will be doing a Quad-Quad next year, who knows?
Maybe you are right. Now I remember all the crazy things he did at GPF 2016 gala practice... it was just for fun, really.
 
I wonder if quad-quad combo does make sense for the next season's layout. There must be a reason for practicing it, not just to have fun.

If they did reduce it to 7 jumping passes layout
Say : 4Lz 4Lo 3F or 3lz / 4S3T 4Tlo4S 3A2T 3A but the BV should not be much different to 4Lz 4Lo 4T/ 4S3T 4S 3Alo3F 3A2T so it made little sense, I think
 
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Maybe you are right. Now I remember all the crazy things he did at GPF 2016 gala practice... it was just for fun, really.

Quad-quad doesn't really make much sense risk wise because attaching a quad at the end of the combo doesn't really give you any more points BV wise than doing it in isolation. There's no scale for difficulty in combos. Maybe the wow factor could get some more +3 on a combo like that but landing the second quad out of very little speed seems very difficult. As a possibility, it makes a lot more sense post-Olympics, though, when they remove one jumping pass.
 
If they did reduce it to 7 jumping passes layout

If they did that, then it'll be highly unlikely anyone would ever beat Yuzu's FS scores, but in the future maybe the Quad Axel would have already been the norm and people are doing Quints so Idk, but that's highly unlikely I think.
 
If they did that, then it'll be highly unlikely anyone would ever beat Yuzu's FS scores, but in the future maybe the Quad Axel would have already been the norm and people are doing Quints so Idk, but that's highly unlikely I think.

Well, not really, Yuzuru's score was with just 4 quads, a 5/6 quad layout can still beat it. Yuna's SP and FS score was around when Spiral sequence was still a thing and GOE for triples had x1.0 factor. Yet medvedeva can still beat it, even without a 3A. They might tweak the BV a bit too. So fear not, someone would break it :biggrin:


Is he with johnwilson now? I heard he will be working with TCC kids for choreography so we would see him around at CC that's for sure.
 
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It has been such a long time since Morozombie writes a new blog: http://morozombie.blogspot.com/2017/04/on-ecstatic-experience.html#more

To paraphrase David Foster Wallace, watching figure skating on a screen is to live figure skating pretty much as watching pornography is to the felt reality of human love. Nowhere have I been more reminded of this fact than when I witnessed* Yuzuru Hanyu skate his Hope and Legacy long program at the 2017 World Figure Skating Championships in Helsinki last week.

One key aspect of a live figure skating performance that cannot be translated onto the screen is that somewhat vague and underdefined criterion listed in the "Performance/Execution" component of the official Program Components Score explanations: "[t]he skater radiates energy resulting in an invisible connection with the audience." I would say that the "energy" and "invisible connection" parts imply that such a performance becomes more than the sum of its parts by presenting an invitation to participate in something that exceeds the fetters of our immediate experiences, but whatever that criterion means, Mr. Hanyu's performance of his long program at Helsinki last week undeniably embodied it, and embodied it in spades. I have been fortunate to witness a number of indelible figure skating performances in person through the years, but I don't think I've ever had an experience as an audience member quite like what transpired at Hartwall Arena during Mr. Hanyu's long program.

On screen, we can see the audience applaud and cheer, we can share in their obvious excitement despite being thousands of miles away, but that ineffable connection between skater and audience must be experienced in person. How do I even begin to describe what it felt like being in the audience during Mr. Hanyu's long program performance? It was, for the lack of a better word, entirely hypnotizing. The thing I remember most were those tingly moments when it felt like the 13,000-strong audience at the Hartwall Arena was living and breathing as a single, very large organism--for example, the silent, expectant tension that felt like the entire arena was collectively holding its breath when Mr. Hanyu was setting up for his second-half 4S-3T combination and the huge, collective roar and lapse back into regular breathing patterns when he landed it perfectly. The universally ecstatic, deafening applause breaking out when Mr. Hanyu landed his final jumping pass--the 3Lz--that continued unabated until he finally left the ice to enter the kiss-and-cry. Seeing the sheer happiness of the people all around me--Russian, Japanese, Finnish, American, whatever--wiping their eyes, hugging each other spontaneously, and letting out the occasional guttural roar or scream.

Given the attendant peculiarities of the particular context in which Mr. Hanyu skated his long program at Worlds (the fifth-place short program performance, the extremely high level of competition, the quest to regain a long-awaited world title), in retrospect, it's understandable why Mr. Hanyu's long program at Worlds was so spellbinding--simply put, it was one of those otherwordly, possibility-expanding moments in sports that allowed the audience to access certain registers of experience far removed from quotidian existence: excitement, beauty, intensity, awe, suspense, greatness, greatness, and greatness.
 
Quad-quad doesn't really make much sense risk wise because attaching a quad at the end of the combo doesn't really give you any more points BV wise than doing it in isolation. There's no scale for difficulty in combos. Maybe the wow factor could get some more +3 on a combo like that but landing the second quad out of very little speed seems very difficult. As a possibility, it makes a lot more sense post-Olympics, though, when they remove one jumping pass.

People always tend to think it doesn't do anything to the score sheet, but it kinda actually does, not the technical side of things, but the component side of things, as commentators always say if you fall on a jump, it affects the component scores, so if you actually do the opposite and actually land everything, you get a really high component score (assuming you get quite good component scores in the first place), then doing something like a Quad-Quad along side with a perfect program, (let's say Hanyu did this, landed everything plus a Quad-Quad combination), then you would probably be looking at component scores of around high 98's or maybe low 99's or medium 99's.
 
Oh wow Morozombie loves Yuzu again!

Time to open a bottle of champagne and celebrate :laugh2:
 
Well, not really, Yuzuru's score was with just 4 quads, a 5/6 quad layout can still beat it. Yuna's SP and FS score was around when Spiral sequence was still a thing and GOE for triples had x1.0 factor. Yet medvedeva can still beat it, even without a 3A. They might tweak the BV a bit too. So fear not, someone would break it :biggrin:

Plus aren't they also considering changing GOE to -5 +5? That could pad up scores even with 1 less jumping pass.
 
Oh wow Morozombie loves Yuzu again!

Time to open a bottle of champagne and celebrate :laugh2:

It has been a long time no? how come we deserved this....:laugh2:
 
Plus aren't they also considering changing GOE to -5 +5? That could pad up scores even with 1 less jumping pass.

But imagine with the current layout, a 7 Quad or a 6 Quad program with 2 Triple Axel's would still have more points with +3 GOE's right now than later with 7 jumps in total with only 6 Quads and 1 Triple Axel, even with the +5 GOE
 
They will change the factor though. 0.4 for triples and 0.6 for quads, maybe, that's the best. Otherwise it would be a bit unfair don't you think?v

Depends on why they'd want to use the new GOE range for. Whether it's unfair or not, I'm not sure they've figured out what they want. At the time they commented about this, Yuzu had done NHK and GPF and talk was that there should be a wider range of differentiation in GOEs. At this point many skaters get +3 fairly easily without much differentiation so... maybe the +5 is for that?

Then again, it can be utterly abused to.
 
Who is Morozombie?
A good writer-FS blogger who has the tendency to use flowery words (you can read from the post above) and has a love-hate relationship with Yuzuru (and his costumes). One of the rare people who predicted correctly that Yuzuru would win Olympic when he was 17.

Morozombie hates Yuzuru's LP after he moved to Orser (hello I blame you David Wilson). But I guess now Morozombie loves Yuzuru again. Not that I mind if Morozombie turns his head against Yuzuru again though. :rolleye: His love is flicker like the aria La Dona e mobile. :noshake:
 
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