I see. Goldenskaters have advocated for that long before.
Let's say a skater's jump sequence is like this: 4S-2T, 3A-2T, 3Lz-2T-2Lo.
How do you calculate the BV of 3Lz-2T-2Lo?
Only 3Lz or 3Lz + 2Lo?
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I see. Goldenskaters have advocated for that long before.
Let's say a skater's jump sequence is like this: 4S-2T, 3A-2T, 3Lz-2T-2Lo.
How do you calculate the BV of 3Lz-2T-2Lo?
Only 3Lz or 3Lz + 2Lo?
Yuzu's secret dream is to redo Lysacek's Olympic winning programme, but upgrading all the triples into quadruples and upgrading all the doubles into triples.
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Yuzu's secret dream is to redo Lysacek's Olympic winning programme, but upgrading all the triples into quadruples and upgrading all the doubles into triples.
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Can anyone stop Hanyu now? Wow. Still I am not sure the push for more and harder quads is making skating better. A very hi pc skater if clean without a quad could challenge 88 pts. Mind you I think Hanyu will get it together because he is invincible. Unless injury happens he should win gold. I can't see how Fernandez, Chan,Umo,Aaron,Brown, Ten or Boyang can beat this - he has it all.
Yep, he can stop himself by overtraining like he did for the past two season injuiring himself before Worlds
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There's also Nathan Chen with his 4F and 4Lz. There are so many variables though that we can only predict what will happen. Mostly that jumps aren't popped/fallen upon and Yuzuru's health. The quad loop, however, looks to be here to stay.
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Yup... I wondered why he went for 3a-1t-1l instead of 3a-1/2l-3s.... actually, he had already done 2t twice (3s-2t and 3a-2t) so he probably realized too late that he couldn't do a 2T after that second 3A.... I think he will need to sit down 2-3 minutes and look at what happens. The first jumps aren't the issues much as what to use for combos.... He is planning to do 4s-3t. So then, 3a-2t (cannot be 3t) and definitely, we will find out if he is indeed going to go back to his half loop combo or his 3S one. I would think that the halp loop combo is safer against zayaks... I think that it is smart to not put the 3L in the layout, in case he pops the quad loop. He really needs to save opportunity for his 2 3A and his 24S. I am not worried for him at all thoughand since the rules for Zayak are less harsh this year, he may lose credit for the end of a combo at one point (a 2T) which is no big deal.
It is so "weird" how one year and a rule change how different the results could be. It means there could be like 8 pts more or whatever to a score with the "error" in the Zayaked combo which wouldn't have counted last year.
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I wonder if Patrick Chan is ready to give up or is he really skating for himself? I say that because with Hanyu's latest quad addition and already Hanyu had the salchow and a better axel how can Paddy even come close - while I think Hanyu's pcs/skating skills et al are inflated more than Chan's now in general for what is done there is no way Chan can come close. And with Chen, Shoma, boyang, Fenrnadez et al doing such tech difficult jumps it makes up for the pcs. I wonder now if consistency will be the key, guess it was always, and if pops will play a bigger role in results. Bigger jumps, higher risks right.
I think there was some talk going around about Patrick adding a 4S? Of course he would still be behind technically, but he is betting on going clean (or being the one with less mistakes), and the 4S will reduce the gap. It worked for him at SC, GPF (he was 3rd in the FS but Shoma had a better SP) and 4CC. If Javier or Yuzuru are anywhere close to clean, they would most likely win over him, since they do get higher PCS than Patrick and even if they didn't, the gap would easily be closed with their TES (unless they make some big mistakes like pops in their quads or zayaking, and Patrick is absolutely flawless). But I wonder how much will Shoma and Boyang's PCS grow this season. Last year, even though he was clean with 4 quads, Boyang couldn't break 200 in the FS, while Patrick did with two quads. But now Boyang is the World Bronze Medalist and that will boost his scores. And even though he fell in a 4T, Shoma was less than two points away at JO.
Right now, I still think that only Hanyu and Fernandez can beat a clean Chan, but I'm only saying this now, before the GP starts. I guess we'll have to wait for SA and SC to get a better picture.
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But we assume that Yuzu wants to do the 4S twice as well, right? So I think that even with Daphenaxa's suggestion he would still break the rules if he downgraded his 4T to 3T and then jumped 3A+2T, because in that case he would have repeated 3 different jumps: 4S, 3A and 2T. Skaters are allowed to repeat only two different jumps, right?
4Lo, 4S, 3F, 4S+2T, 3T, 3A+2T, 3A-1/2Lo-3S, 3Lz
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no the doubles don't count in that rule.
For example take Asada's layout from last year : 3A 3F3L 3Lz 2A3T 3S 3F2L2L 3L the two jumps repeated are 3F and 3L still she can do 2L twice
other example Medvedeva's layout: 3F3T 3Lz 3Lo 3F 2A2T2T 3S3T 2A two repeated are 3F and 3T still she does two 2A and two 2T
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The actual rule for repeated jumps should be stated as only 2 different quad or triple jumps can be repeated and at least one should be in a combo jump.
The double jumps are not counted in this rule but by itself can be only be repeated once (meaning a particular double jump can only be performed two times in a long program, and both can be solo jumps, not necessary at least one in combo. Thus a skater can repeat as many different double jumps as he/she wishes. e.g. 2A, 2A, 2Lo, 2Lo, 2T, 2T can all appear in the same program without the skater being penalized. If you do three or more of the same double jump, the third and subsequent jumps are not counted, famously committed by Mariah Bell in the US nationals 2016.)
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