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Liza's SP from CBC (there's a minor glitch for a second at the 00:50 second mark, oops)
Thank you a lot!
Liza's SP from CBC (there's a minor glitch for a second at the 00:50 second mark, oops)
Thank you a lot!
They also showered Kovtun with praise, who many people feel should never get the PCS he is getting.Not quite. In this competition, they were somewhat critical of Kanako, who some felt should have placed above Satoko.
However, my point being, if Satoko jumped so horribly as you say, I'm sure there would have been some mention of it. They've always called jumps as they see it.
Not quite. In this competition, they were somewhat critical of Kanako, who some felt should have placed above Satoko.
However, my point being, if Satoko jumped so horribly as you say, I'm sure there would have been some mention of it. They've always called jumps as they see it.
Kurt: "It doesn't matter how many triple axels Evgeni Plushenko landed, he never got a kiss when he got off the ice."
IDK, I don't think Wagner needed to go to 4CC to prove herself to the international judges. She still achieved the fourth highest PCS, and that was with multiple errors. No doubt she would have been 31-32 on the PCS if she was clean. If Wagner came here and skated to win, she probably would have been in second right now.
They also showered Kovtun with praise, who many people feel should never get the PCS he is getting.
Slow motion videos (plural) of Satoko's jumps everywhere can show you that her jumps are flawed in technique.
Why did I did the frame by frame screenshot? Because Satoko's fan call Kanako's jumping technique as flaw. Note that I am not a big fan of Kanako or something. But for Satoko's fans to call out Kanako's jumping technique just to defend Kanako = Pot. Kettle. Black!
With the same height Katen Chen and Midori Ito jump much much bigger, so being small is not an excuse for poor jumps.
Kanako rotates very fast, so people rarely notice her take-off, they sense that there is something not right about her jumps, but they couldn't tell because they only focus on the landing.
I can make frame by frame screenshot comparison to show you. Most ladies with okay jumps have just 1/4 pre-rotatation while with Satoko it's more than 3/4 or almost the whole first revolution. Liza (I have just screenshot her Flip by setting 0.25 in the slow motion) has just below 1/4.
Liza's SP from CBC (there's a minor glitch for a second at the 00:50 second mark, oops)
That is also my point right from the beginning. I often say I think Satoko is underscored in PCS as her SS and musicality are very great. So if they reward her more in PCS I'd have no problem. I also think Satoko should be higher than 60, but she should be below Kanako whose jumps I'd never call flawless.Hi Meoima, I watched Sam Skwantch's jumpamatron on Satoko and also your frame by frame. I doubt that the tech panel has access to and the time to frame shot every move and it is true, Satoko does rotate very fast. Even on slo-mo, the 3Lz-3T looked only borderline and I am assuming that the tech panel gave her the benefit of the doubt. The 3F to me was not short on the landing but the pre-rotation does bother me and I agree it should be < but I guess that the tech panel simply didn't have the evidence within the time frame to justify giving a < since they were borderline. However, what I agree with you is that it should be mostly 0 GOEs, not 1 and 2.
That said, outside the jumps, I think it is very easy to underestimate Satoko whose bladework, steps and musicality is great. IMO, her TES should be lower, about 33-34 due to GOEs (not BV as it was evidently hard to spot < without your frame by frames), I do think her PCS should be higher as her SS and PE certainly should be as good as Gracie if not better. Overall, her scores should be about ~65.
The problem I have with the tech panel is mostly about the TES. They say Shin Amano is very strict so I expect more than that from him. He did call Mao's jumps many times mainly because of pre-rotation. Let's assume he was right about Mao's jumps I'd have no problem with it. Then why did he spare Satoko's jumps when it's more obvious to notice her flaws?
And I didn't capture those screenshots manually. I use Video to JPG converter and set option "every frame" to all skaters and the different in angle is obvious. But even without that, in the replay I already notice her pre-rotation toe pick already. And I think people in the tech panel should have noticed it better, as they're all specialist.
My conclusion is that the tech panel was too lenient, and Shin Amano is not strict and not even consistent. I don't know his reasons. Why he didn't call Satoko as he did to Mao? Maybe he spared Satoko because JSF couldn't afford to lose 3 spots at Worlds for ladies? When it was Mao's time, even though he was strict to her, they didn't have to worry about that 3 spots.
I really don't like Rika's posture...
The British commentators also have almost nothing but praise for Kovtun. Just saying... they're positive to anyone.
Not picking on your comment in particular, but I've heard this line about Rika's "posture" so many times and it's really strange. Is this ballet on ice? Should figure skaters practice their routines while balancing a book on their heads?
Not picking on your comment in particular, but I've heard this line about Rika's "posture" so many times and it's really strange. Is this ballet on ice? Should figure skaters practice their routines while balancing a book on their heads?
It's not strange at all. Posture/arms/carriage are the basics of any movement. A hunch as bad as Hongo's is a very legitimate weakness in skating.
It's not strange at all. Posture/arms/carriage are the basics of any movement. A hunch as bad as Hongo's is a very legitimate weakness in skating.
People have different postures. There is no 'correct' way, unless you are using a posture that is seriously detrimental to your long-term physical health.
Care to elaborate on the "very legitimate weakness in figure skating" point? Is there a mark for posture, or a GOE awarded for this? Evidently, posture does not currently count for much (or at all) in figure skating, as Rika has been incredibly consistent/successful in competition this season... even a threat to the podium at Worlds right now.
As far as Ashley and Gracie having 'good posture and graceful arms'... well, how far has that gotten them when they can't execute the fundamental elements of figure skating? (There is nothing graceful about falling on the ice, popping jumps, bad landings, etc.) Those are of a much bigger concern to get corrected for the competitive figure skating sport.