2022 CS US International FS Classic Men's Free Skate

[elbkup]

Well that was a roller coaster!!
I need sleep..Night all .. this was fun

 

[Jeanie19]

Asking for accurate judging doesn't mean someone was offend by a performance. I admire both Ilya and Kevin. I just wish the judges accurately rewarded each for their different strengths. That didn't really happen here but , it didn't change the final result so it's nothing to be too offended about.

Correct. Its not the placement, its just Kevin's score is too low. He would still be in second but by 12 points, not 21.

And who is judge 1?

 

[cheerknithanson]

I am so *censored* happy right now....I'm going to have a hard time falling asleep.

 

[Jeanie19]

Well you can also go and subtract 15 marks off Ilia for offending artistic fans or whatever and he'd still win!

No. Ilia's score is fine. Its just Kevin's was low by about 10 points, the placement doesnt change, just Kevin's seasons best score.

 

[el henry]

I mean it’s not showing on the stream.

Another wonderful choice by Peacock (not).

Ilia did a great job coming back from his SP and I hope he is content. He did the DMV proud again!

 

[cheerknithanson]

Another wonderful choice by Peacock (not).

Ilia did a great job coming back from his SP and I hope he is content. He did the DMV proud again!

Oh heck yeah. I'm thrilled. I'm going into work tomorrow with a huge grin on my face.

 

[TontoK]

I think Ilia should have won. But Kevin's scores were too low. That was at least a 160 skate.

I don't know. Looking at the protocols, there is a 40 point TES gap. Yes. 40 points.

And, looking at how each element was scored, I can see exactly why. It's really not a mystery when it's laid out in black and white.

Compounding the issue of the 30 point deficit in base value, Kevin had five of seven jumping passes with negative GOE.

 

[moonvine]

I am—they are happening now

Yes, because you are there. Peacock did not show them.

 

[Greengemmonster]

I am so *censored* happy right now....I'm going to have a hard time falling asleep.

I haven't been following skating news (trying to get back into it) so I only saw his SP and how upset he was. I didn't expect him to try the 4A today so it was a completely delightful surprise for me!!!

I was just hoping he wouldn't crash and burn today!!!

 

[auser]

Here is a link to a VK Russian stream if anyone wishes to watch/rewatch Men FS:

VK.com | VK

vk.com

 

[readernick]

I don't know. Looking at the protocols, there is a 40 point TES gap. Yes. 40 points.

And, looking at how each element was scored, I can see exactly why. It's really not a mystery when it's laid out in black and white.

Compounding the issue of the 30 point deficit in base value, Kevin had five of seven jumping passes with negative GOE.

No doubt. But, the difference in performance, choreography, and SS (to a certain degree.. he has better SS than Ilya but it isn't Kevin's major strength) is as great as the TES difference between them. The scores should also reflect that. Giving Ilya higher PCS than Camden is also very very questionable. SS-wise there is no comparison. Or , higher PCS marks than Jimmy Ma. He really deserved the same PCS score as Gogolev and Kevin deserved higher PR and Choreo marks. Yes, the final placement is fair. But, the scores aren't. (and I like Ilya. He's got a cute smile and incredible spins and jump technique. )

 

[moonvine]

Here is a link to a VK Russian stream if anyone wishes to watch/rewatch Men FS:

VK.com | VK

vk.com

I don’t ever want to see that hot mess again. Or think about it.

 

[Greengemmonster]

I hope for great things for Ilia but no matter what the future holds: FIRST 4A EVER!!!!!! HISTORY!!!!!!!

 

[readernick]

I hope for great things for Ilia but no matter what the future holds: FIRST 4A EVER!!!!!! HISTORY!!!!!!!

It's incredible. And, he is going to have a great future!

 

[cheerknithanson]

I'm eating leftover cheesecake to celebrate.

 

[reader3]

I'm eating leftover cheesecake to celebrate.

send me some

 

[el henry]

and most importantly of all:

A comp with the men's SP and FS, with skaters I want to see, *IN MY TIME ZONE*



Because yes, it is all about me

Now if only Peacock would have replays, what the actual bleep is that?

 

[Greengemmonster]

Random observation: I wonder how hard that 3Lz-3A was?

Because it was a very profitable jump for Ilia. 15.something in BV! And he received good GOE on it too!

 

[moonvine]

and most importantly of all:

A comp with the men's SP and FS, with skaters I want to see, *IN MY TIME ZONE*



Because yes, it is all about me

Now if only Peacock would have replays, what the actual bleep is that?

We have to find out who at USFS to complain to and do so.

 

[TontoK]

No doubt. But, the difference in performance, choreography, and SS (to a certain degree.. he has better SS than Ilya but it isn't Kevin's major strength) is as great as the TES difference between them. The scores should also reflect that. Giving Ilya higher PCS than Camden is also very very questionable. SS-wise there is no comparison. Or , higher PCS marks than Jimmy Ma. He really deserved the same PCS score as Gogolev and Kevin deserved higher PR and Choreo marks. Yes, the final placement is fair. But, the scores aren't. (and I like Ilya. He's got a cute smile and incredible spins and jump technique. )

If Kevin's program had been a minute shorter, I'd concede your point handily. But the last minute of that seemed really labored. I thought he ran out of gas... which is why I made an early comment (before scores) that I wasn't sure it would hold up. And I thought there would be a significant TES gap, but not that large, at least in real time.

I like both these guys, and it's hard to be totally objective when discussing skaters we like. While I definitely enjoyed Kevin's program better than Ilia's, let's not pretend it was the second coming of John Curry. It was OK. Not fantastic. Just OK. And that's fine for where we are at this point in the season.

Honestly, I thought all the programs were just OK. So I'm not expending energy defending any of what I saw tonight.

I will say Camden's program held the most interest for me, so good for him.