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- Mar 22, 2004
not done with a full split but overall rather nice illusion spin by tiffany chin at the 4.00 mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzW731xiLdk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzW731xiLdk
No, it doesn't only look sloppy to you.
This is the whole problem with CoP at present in a nutshell. I think the process goes like this:
1. Find a classic, aesthetically pleasing move
2. Add a variation that makes the move technically 'more difficult' but which decreases the aesthetics by a) slowing the move down too much b) breaking visually pleasing body lines c) wrecking the rhythm of the program.
3. POINTS!!!
Also, while we're here another (new, courtesy of CoP) pet peeve are camel spins. I never used to appreciate them properly but hardly anyone is doing good camels anymore and the norm seems to be wonky, off center camels.
Zhang (whose layback is really great) has an especially bad camel in the clips I've seen so far. Meier (a personal fave of mine) does a pretty wonky camel in your link.
What moves can you do without? Do you find them distracting from the beauty of the program? IMO I dislke seeing I spins where the skater cannot get the leg extended enough. To me it looks like they are saying "Look how far I can't straighten out my leg". So, do you think it is better for a skater to attempt a move they have not mastered, or should they only include a move after they have perfected it?
I hate illusions and the spin that Ina and Zimmerman did with her head down and he is holding her leg upward. I think Tarmara Mosvina had Anton and Elena as well as Artur and Oskana do this spin as well. I feel it is a demeaning position for the woman.
Do you mean the Natalia spin? Like Michkoutienok and Dmitriev do here at 2:00?
Ohh, I hate that one! It really looks submissive and degrading.
The pair spin position that I _hate_ is what I call the "Ride 'em cowboy!" where the women is in a camel position and the man puts his leg over her back. YECHHH!!! I've managed to mercifully blank out the name of the pair(s) that do this position so I can't look up pictures or vids.
You mean the second one on the left here?
http://www.pairsonice.net/photopage.php?event=19980208&program=SP&f=Meno&m=Sand
Strangely enough I don't hate the Natalia spin (and don't perceive it as degrading though I can understand how some people could, I think a lot depends on the deportment of the man).
The pair spin position that I _hate_ is what I call the "Ride 'em cowboy!" where the women is in a camel position and the man puts his leg over her back. YECHHH!!! I've managed to mercifully blank out the name of the pair(s) that do this position so I can't look up pictures or vids.
You mean the second one on the left here?
http://www.pairsonice.net/photopage.php?event=19980208&program=SP&f=Meno&m=Sand
Also, while we're here another (new, courtesy of CoP) pet peeve are camel spins. I never used to appreciate them properly but hardly anyone is doing good camels anymore and the norm seems to be wonky, off center camels.
Zhang (whose layback is really great) has an especially bad camel in the clips I've seen so far. Meier (a personal fave of mine) does a pretty wonky camel in your link.
But isn't Zhangs camel off center becase she changes her edge from the inside to the outside?