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Yuzuru Hanyu: 2014-15 Season

msteach3 said:
Yes, I also think Yuzu is about the same height as Javi. Maybe we can all agree that Yuzu definitely weighs less than Javi! :laugh:
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does anyone know how yuzuru stays so thin? I'm pretty sure he is as light as me, if not close to it!(I'm 102is lbs) I know it is bone structure and genes, but it's more than that too.

Sam-Skwantch said:
But what if Yuzu is wearing his Olympic gold medal :biggrin:
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I am laughing so hard at this comment!!!!
 
gsyzf said:
(And I think that his PCS jumped to 90s at GPF in 2013 because he was skating on home ice, which IMO is a good thing, so he was not disadvantaged for his lack of reputation relative to Patrick. If GPF was not held in Japan, he would probably got mid 80s in the PCS again, and lost the title. If he didn’t win the GPF, I’m not sure he could win the Olympics either because he wouldn’t be considered a co-favorite going into the games. I would like to think this is destiny. I really think it’s a difficult task for newcomers to move up the rank.)
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While I think Yuzuru's PCS was shot up a bit much at GPF 2013, he is the rightful winner there. Yuzuru still could have won the whole GPF with less PCS.
Before GPF 2013, Yuzuru's highest PCS was 85.16 (GPF 2012) which was about 7.22 point lower than 92.38 - his PCS at GPF 2013. Yuzuru had a much better SP than Patrick at GPF 2013, even if some people thought his score was too high. So if Yuzuru only got about 85 PCS for his performance at GPF 2013, he would have lost the free skate but still won overall thanks to his lead in SP.
In short, if we deduct a total of 10 points in both Yuzuru's programs at GPF 2013, he still could have won thanks to his TES, the result might be closer with Yuzuru got 283 in total and Patrick got 280.
 
Meoima said:
While I think Yuzuru's PCS was shot up a bit much at GPF 2013, he is the rightful winner there. Yuzuru still could have won the whole GPF with less PCS.
Before GPF 2013, Yuzuru's highest PCS was 85.16 (GPF 2012) which was about 7.22 point lower than 92.38 - his PCS at GPF 2013. Yuzuru had a much better SP than Patrick at GPF 2013, even if some people thought his score was too high. So if Yuzuru only got about 85 PCS for his performance at GPF 2013, he would have lost the free skate but still won overall thanks to his lead in SP.
In short, if we deduct a total of 10 points in both Yuzuru's programs at GPF 2013, he still could have won thanks to his TES, the result might be closer with Yuzuru got 283 in total and Patrick got 280.
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It’s true he still could’ve won even if he only got 85 PCS in FS. But I’m not sure he would have that kind of lead from the SP, because he usually gets about 95 when he is perfect in the SP. At the GPF, he made a mistake in the last spin, which means, he will probably get less than 95 if not skating on home ice. So the SP lead may end up being much less than 12, maybe like 6 or 7 point lead instead, which may or may not be enough for him to win.

I do believe he is the rightful winner because while both Yuzuru and Patrick’s PCS are inflated, the PCS gap is reasonable (and I never question Yuzu’s TES). I do believe the PCS gap between Yuzuru and Patrick before GPF 2013 was too big and was mostly due to Yuzu’s lack of reputation. I think the advantage of skating on home ice is that a less reputable skater would be scored fairly relative to the reputable skater. (And I do think Machida was scored fairly relative to Yuzu at world 2014. If Yuzu enjoyed any reputation judging, the PCS gap in the FS between Yuzu and Machida would have been much bigger than just 1 point, most likely 5-10 points.)
 
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gsyzf said:
It’s true he still could’ve won even if he only got 85 PCS in FS. But I’m not sure he would have that kind of lead from the SP, because he usually gets about 95 when he is perfect in the SP. At the GPF, he made a mistake in the last spin, which means, he will probably get less than 95 if not skating on home ice. So the SP lead may end up being much less than 12, maybe like 6 or 7 point lead instead, which may or may not be enough for him to win.
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Yuzuru's lead over Patrick in TES in SP was less than 1 point and Yuzuru was clean while Patrick was not. Yuzuru got 54.52 TES there that's why he lead that much. Let's assume if Yuzuru only got 43 PCS in SP, he still could have won. Since the final gap was 13 points, if we deduct Yuzuru 10 points in total it still could not change the outcome.

gsyzf said:
I do believe he is the rightful winner because while both Yuzuru and Patrick’s PCS are inflated, the PCS gap is reasonable (and I never question Yuzu’s TES). I do believe the PCS gap between Yuzuru and Patrick before GPF 2013 was too big and was mostly due to Yuzu’s lack of reputation. I think the advantage of skating on home ice is that a less reputable skater would be scored fairly relative to the reputable skater. (And I do think Machida was scored fairly relative to Yuzu at world 2014. If Yuzu enjoyed any reputation judging, the PCS gap in the FS between Yuzu and Machida would have been much bigger than just 1 point, most likely 5-10 points.)
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Yep, Yuzuru isn't on the same level of skating skill as Patrick yet, so his PCS gap with other skaters is not as high as Patrick's with the rest of the field.
 
He had a very big TES score 54.52. But he didn’t usually get this TES score even when he skates the program perfectly. He usually gets about 52. I personally would not question the 54.52, but I am not sure the judges would give him that score (he made a mistake in the spin) when they only gave him 52 for past perfect program, had he not been on home ice. The GOE in the FP would probably be less of what he got has he not skated on home ice, and the same goes for the PCS. So the total reduction could very much be 15 points (10 for PCS and 5 for GOE). Of course, these are estimates based on comparing his scores before GPF 2013 and to GPF 2013, they may not be the real score that he would've received if GPF was held outside of Japan. So, that's why I don't feel his victory was guaranteed if the competition was not held in Japan. My point is both the GOE and PCS are influenced by the skaters’ reputation and the crowd’s reaction. So skating on home ice (with crowd’s support) would cancel out the disadvantage due to his lack of reputation. I think JSF hosting the GPF before the Olympics is a good strategy for their skaters. It really made me feel that the newcomers (in the men's field) faced a big challenge in moving up the rank because they lack so much reputation iif compared to the veteran skaters. Unless, this newcomer is a technical prodigy, he will have to wait until the veteran skaters retired or aged before he can really move up the rank.

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Although people say Patrick has a big lead over the rest of the field due to his skating skills, I don’t really think that’s the reason. If you check his PCS gap over Yuzu, Javi, Daisuke, it’s 1-2 pts (at the Olympics). These three are the medal contenders going into the games. If you check his PCS gap with the others (like Machida and Denis Ten, who was not considered a favorite), the gap is bigger, like close to 10 points, (which means both Javi and Yuzu actually had a 8 point PCS gap over Machida at the Olympics, and the gap is 1 point at world 2014.) I just don’t know how you can explain this without relating this to the skaters’ reputation.

Executing a difficult program takes skills. A less-skilled skater would not be able to execute a difficult program even if he wants to. So if a skater can skate a difficult program with high quality, it shows that he has the high level skill. I don’t see why he should receive a low PCS. Yuzuru skates a more difficult program (than Patrick) with high quality, so it shows he has comparable skills as Patrick. I don’t see any reasons other than personal preferences and Yuzu’s lack of reputation for judges to give a significantly lower PCS than Patrick.

Many skaters are raising the difficulty of their program. I would not be surprised to see Patrick not having a big PCS cushion (I’m thinking just 1-3 points) over skaters like Denis Ten, Javi and Yuzuru when they all skate well next season. To me at least, the scoring would be fair and reasonable. I just hope that if it does happen this way, fans would not be surprised or think it’s outrageous.

Overall my point is, because there are more skaters who have built up or are building up reputation, so Yuzuru does not have much reputation advantage over others and he does not have much PCS advantage over his close rivals. He needs to skate well in order to win. I think this is good for him. I just thought Patrick was put into a very bad position when he faced a weak field and he had a big reputation gap over others and took a lot of criticism. I don't hope to see the same thing happen to Yuzu. I prefer not see him having a big PCS gap over his rivals.

I probably talked too much about this. I’m ok to not discuss this any more. I am sorry for going off topic.
 
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guys, its almost world championship and i wanna congratulate all of you for making through for almost 3 long months without actual news, clip etc of yuzuru. sure its been hard and we were lost sometimes but we made it, we survived! (i think it was worse than off season, its my 1st year as regular follower of FS though,so i am not an expert) :cheer: :laugh: my only hope is that yuzuru has survived as well and ready to defend his title!! :yay:
 
ahhhh they put picture of yuzu-javi fist bumping :love: i wanna be on that train :cry:
 
Oh my! For fans it's fun but I guess if one of those skaters on the poster happens to board on this train it'd be really embarrassing. Imagine yuzu taking the train with his photo and poster everywhere:biggrin:
 
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