2015 Worlds Ladies Short Program March 26

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Skate order for the FP out: http://www.isuresults.com/results/wc2015/wc2015_Ladies_FS_TimeSchedule.pdf

Well, Radionova can set the mark for Liza and then Liza will know what she has to do.

 

[rollerblade]

With an 8 point cushion!

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

I loved Liza's 3 axel, but agree with whoever it was that said her choreography is a little cheesy.

Her choreography is totally cheesy. Her PCS was actually pretty fair. Although the judges obviously boosted it because of the 3A. Bottom line: if you continue to deliver (and add a 3A at that), the judges will reward you.

 

[treeloving]

She sacrifices like 5-8 seconds of choreography. Fine, it's telegraphed, but that was reflected in the +1s. The runout was great, the rotation was there, and it's a freaking triple axel.

I love how Liza does the first 3A in ages by any skater other than Mao and people are quick to say "telegraphed"/"not ideal landing", etc. Geez people, what Liza did was a huge achievement... first woman to do a 3A and a 3-3 in an SP (as far as I know, Mao never achieved this).

Also, think about where Liza's has been coming from. She wasn't even expected to make it beyond Russian Nationals, and sooooo many people had her off their radar... and now she not only comes into Worlds as a favourite after winning so many competitions (including the GPF), she adds a triple axel in her SP and nails it. The haterade is stroooooong with some of you people.

You know that you don't have to be so dramatic right? I just share my opinion on the choreography, don't intend to downplay Liza's achievement at all.

 

[WeakAnkles]

She has a point though, while landing 3A is impressive but she sacrifice choreography for it. You can telegraph jump but design to make it match with overall program such as how Kostner did with the Luzt in her Bolero program.

Well much as one may bow to her out of this world jumps, choreography has never really been Liza's strong suit, has it? It's almost like she learned how to use her arms and hands from Laetitia Hubert at her most "signaling to the UFO Mother Ship." It's fascinating to watch, and one can use many words and phrases to describe it, but I'm not sure "choreography" is one of them.

YMMV of course.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

She has a point though, while landing 3A is impressive but she sacrifice choreography for it. You can telegraph jump but design to make it match with overall program such as how Kostner did with the Luzt in her Bolero program.

Geez, she sacrifices like 5 seconds of potential choreography. Fine, it's telegraphed, but that was reflected in the +1s. The runout was great, the rotation was there, and it's a freaking triple axel.

I love how Tukt does the first 3A in ages by any lady other than Mao and people are quick to say "telegraphed"/"not ideal landing", etc. Geez people, what Liza did was a huge achievement... first woman to do a 3A and a 3-3 in an SP (as far as I know, Mao never achieved this).

Also, think about where Liza's has been coming from. She wasn't even expected to make it beyond Russian Nationals, and sooooo many people had her off their radar... and now she not only comes into Worlds as a favourite after winning so many competitions (including the GPF), she adds a triple axel in her SP and nails it. The haterade is stroooooong with some of you people.

 

[Sandpiper]

Liza's skate was a piece of history. The first woman to land four triples in the short program. One of six to land triple axel in international competition. And she paired it up with energy on the footwork, a triple-triple in the second half, and the hardest non-axel triple. Figure skating is indeed an art, but the sport aspect can be just as exciting.

Devastated for Ashley. I thought Nationals showed how she could deliver even with the spotlight on her (considering Gracie was coming off an injury and she from a GPF medal). Perhaps it's her back that's giving her trouble... I hope it won't be an issue in the LP.

Second-to-last group delivered great skates and the final group was nothing but

Weird protocol observations: Seems like the judges were super GOE-happy (Liza's spins, Elena and Satoko's jumps) but very stingy on PCS. Elena didn't even receive a SB for skating clean at Worlds, while that usually happens. Few people broke 30. As for Amano and the tech panel--well, I guess he isn't a harsh TS at all. Just... did Mao spit in his cereal in the past? Lots of ! rather than e, almost all the top contenders received Level 4s for their steps when they've been getting Level 3s elsewhere. I would've given Ashley her 3F since it wasn't exactly over 1/4, but hardly harsh overall.

 

[Crossover]

She never had problems with Lutz.

Nope, unfortunately she has had problems with lutz along with flip which can bee seen in many times.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

You know that you don't have to be so dramatic right? I just share my opinion on the choreography, don't intend to downplay Liza's achievement at all.

Sorry, I wasn't aware. There's a bit of hate towards Liza's 3A attempt I'd read up until reading your post, and so your post kinda made me fed up without realizing you were simply saying it was telegraphed (which it was).

 

[shiroKJ]

Like i said...Amano had it out for Mao. Its like hetried to make sure she would never win under his watch. He was alwaysselective in calls...

 

[Noolan]

I'm so tired of PCS scaling with technical scores. Li and Kanako should have a bigger score and Liza should have a smaller one.

 

[HanDomi]

Sorry, I wasn't aware. There's a bit of hate towards Liza's 3A attempt I'd read up until reading your post, and so your post kinda made me fed up without realizing you were simply saying it was telegraphed (which it was).

To be honest Voronov or Jason are telegraphing way longer their 3A than Liza did

 

[Meoima]

First woman who lands 4 triples in a programs, with top quality, so what if she telegraphed it a bit? This is HISTORY!!! Go LIZA!!

 

[adelia]

liza
elena
kanako

that should have been the top 3.:scowl:

mte.

 

[adelia]

First woman who lands 4 triples in a programs, with top quality, so what if she telegraphed it a bit? This is HISTORY!!! Go LIZA!!

And it was reflected in the GOE for the 3A. I don't know what the complaining is about.

 

[karne]

Hey now, play nice... don't trivialize Mao's 3A attempts the way chairmanmao is attempting to trivialize Liza's 3A.

You're right, of course. Mao had the balls to do the 3A is which a lot more than any of the other ladies of her era could say. I'm hurting over Brooklee and should not have said that.

 

[treeloving]

To be honest Voronov or Jason are telegraphing way longer their 3A than Liza did

This will be my last post in the topic, the problem is not that she telegraph (Kostner telegraph her Luzt as well), the point is it is not match with the music and overall program. Pointing out this fact, doesn't means to downplay her accomplishment.

Also PCS score should not be tied to TES.

p.s. I am rooting for Liza to be world champion, btw.

 

[CanadianSkaterGuy]

Weird protocol observations: Seems like the judges were super GOE-happy (Liza's spins, Elena and Satoko's jumps) but very stingy on PCS. Elena didn't even receive a SB for skating clean at Worlds, while that usually happens. Few people broke 30. As for Amano and the tech panel--well, I guess he isn't a harsh TS at all. Just... did Mao spit in his cereal in the past? Lots of ! rather than e, almost all the top contenders received Level 4s for their steps when they've been getting Level 3s elsewhere. I would've given Ashley her 3F since it wasn't exactly over 1/4, but hardly harsh overall.

As mentioned, he wasn't harsh on edge calls because most skaters avoided their edge call jump (only 4 attempted both flip and lutz, of the entire field). He certainly wasn't stingy on calling UR and << though (much to the chagrin of skaters like Daleman and Wagner -- even Li on home ice wasn't given benefit of the doubt). Surprised he spared Ashley a ! call, not that it would have made a difference to call it anyways with the fall on the 3T.

 

[CutieP]

Liza's skate was a piece of history.

Agreed! No shame being second to that

Seems like the judges were super GOE-happy (Liza's spins, Elena and Satoko's jumps) but very stingy on PCS. Elena didn't even receive a SB for skating clean at Worlds, while that usually happens.

Nah, Lena's jump GOE's are pretty much what they always are, and her spins were a little underrated (Especially the CCo-one (seriously, it's got awesome positions (even a new cool one!), What does the girl have to do to get better GOE's for that) Liza got way higher GOE's score for her version)

But, I agree that couple of the judges were evil to her at the PCS department.

 

[Sandpiper]

To be honest Voronov or Jason are telegraphing way longer their 3A than Liza did

Word.

Anyway, I don't mind a telegraphed jump as long as the jump itself is worth the wait. Carolina spent a long time setting up her jumps. Yuna did crossovers into 3Lz-3T. But they absolutely deserve high GOE. If Carolina's off and does her crossovers into a popped jump, that's when there's a problem.